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Thanks guys

It should be easy for me. Pianus is always available in yellonde lol.

@iChosenDream: Or you could just get 2 off MTS which are extra cheap.

[quote=LeoHero]I don't find it useless, really helpful if I'm close to dieing at Czak, Pink Bean, Akyrum, and to those that can make it on the HT list, as well as it helps cut down time in Dojo. The only boss that is broken is HT isn't it?
The quest line isn't even that hard, all you need is two Mini Pianus pieces with x2 egg buff, or Spider familiar. Every thing else is fairly easy to get.[/quote]

Oh yea, Pianus and his 4hour spawn rate. Plus the 50 people camping in every channel to get a kill.

@izama: yea, from your first post i just got the impresion that you said "i personally don't do these things, so it sucks for everyone"

now with all these posts, that's fixed, so guess that's settled for me.

@darkspawn980: Sorry, I was refering to your first half of your posts where you tried to tell me I was biased. Was trying to show you how wrong that accusation is. My very first post I didn't put a lot of detail in it, but I thought it was clear there I admitted it has uses but isn't the most useful. If you see my more detailed posts that were before yours, I also repeated the things we're repeating now. If it sounded biased to you, sorry, it wasn't intended to be. I admitted its uses but at the same time showed how it generally is useless (unless you do these things often). We both agree, so there isn't a need to call me biased. Just look over my posts carefully, because I said the exact same thing already.

@izama: "You are being biased by saying because you do those things it's the most useful thing in the world."

what? in both posts i've said, exactly that it is NOT the most useful thing in the world.
and you just said exactly what i said o.o, literally, that post is exactly what i meant, in your first post you statd it was a complete waste of time, now you state this.

well, i agree with this last paragraph so W/E.

@darkspawn980: As I said I'm not being biased. I mentioned the same thing as you, saying that is only useful in those cases. You are being biased by saying because you do those things it's the most useful thing in the world. Most people do not do those things often, usually once or twice a week or so. I'm showing that despite how useful it is, it's a complete waste unless you do those things regularly. Even more if you're going to take the effort to gather the materials. It's two sides of a coin, not a biased post. It has its uses, but it's not very useful unless you deeply plan to use it often.

@izama: i'm saying you're biased because you're assumming all those things, up to the OP if it's useful or not, for you it might not be worth the issue, for me it is, just showing the flip side of the coin.

pvp is everything but dead in scania*

as i said, not the most useful skill, but it certainly has its uses

@darkspawn980: I'm not trying to be biased. I'm trying to be helpful to the TS. If you didn't notice by my comments I said it is currently not very useful but after most of the bosses and stuff are fixed up it will be again. Also you do not represent the whole community. Seeing how the TS doesn't even know the skill is from a quest then they probably do not do any of these bosses, so it won't be useful for them especially considering all the effort they need to gather mini pianus. Like I said, PB, not done often. Empress, you made me lol there. Something that's almost impossible by most and being trafficed by hackers. The dead pvp as well? You only prove more that it's not that necessary. Like I said and like you mentioned, if you're not going to bother with the things above, it isn't very useful. It's a skill only needed for very few things. I'm not trying to be biased, I'm trying to be real. I only use it in dojo/ ht / czak/ and a few other random places. It's so unused it spends most of the day or days fully ready. When ht gets fixed I plan to use it more often, but even then, not that extensive.

@izama: that's pretty biased isn't it?
i go on PB runs every now and then, so that's out the window.
czak you said fair enough.
i go on CHT runs too
i use it on empress, to save an all-cure, which would trigger potion cooldown, when getting locked by oz in stage 2
i use it on snails when the rare slow hits me (farming like a mofo right now, and allcures don't dispel slow)
PVP it's a necessity

may not be THE best skill out there, but to me it's certainly useful, the only truth is that, if you're not ever going to bother with any of the above, then it truly is useless for you.

@blueblade555: *points at above*

[quote=epicslayerXD]i'm not sure if all cures work on seduce .. maybe, prb yes.

ot: skill quests. need mini pianuses ... and Demon Slayers like me dont get it at all[/quote]

Lmao, if all cures could cure seduce, no one would bother with Heroes Will PvE wise.

[quote=blueblade555]just like the guy on top you need to do a quest to get that skill
the quest is a pain and the skill is not worth it
http://www.basilmarket.com/show/screen/200011/0/Heros_will_skilll.html[/quote]

Its worth depends on its usefulness to the user. So if you're planning to HT/Czak or any other boss that seduces, it's a must.

In other cases where such as yourself would probably not get in those runs successfully, you wouldn't need it thus getting the skill "not worth it".

The quest line is easy.
Talk to carta, and be prepared with atleast 2 miniature pianuses.
The rest you can figure out, It's pretty straightforward

Heroes Will is extremely useful in PvP, It's a must have for anyone who frequently PvPs.
PvE It's alright. Seduce has never really worried me.

[quote=LeoHero]I don't find it useless, really helpful if I'm close to dieing at Czak, Pink Bean, Akyrum, and to those that can make it on the HT list, as well as it helps cut down time in Dojo. The only boss that is broken is HT isn't it?
The quest line isn't even that hard, all you need is two Mini Pianus pieces with x2 egg buff, or Spider familiar. Every thing else is fairly easy to get.[/quote]

HT is broken, you can't get into it with ease. You have to wait till the SC and get lucky. I use mines in dojo for the lols. You don't need it in Akyrium because you're expected to die often, so it's not that important. No one really has PB groups running the way you do other bosses. For most ranged classes they'd be laid to waste there. Czak fair enough. Again , not a useful skill [i]unless[/i] you do those bosses, which in that case only one of them is more likely for TS (Czak).

[quote=blueblade555]As izama just said alot of the bosses don't work and the ones that do dont use seduce, for the time being its usless but ones they fix ht pink bean and so on it well be useful[/quote]
I don't find it useless, really helpful if I'm close to dieing at Czak, Pink Bean, Akyrum, and to those that can make it on the HT list, as well as it helps cut down time in Dojo. The only boss that is broken is HT isn't it?
The quest line isn't even that hard, all you need is two Mini Pianus pieces with x2 egg buff, or Spider familiar. Every thing else is fairly easy to get.

[quote=bubblecup118]@blueblade555

really? Tell me then, your bossing and you are seduce. Apart from Hero Will, what can cure seduce?[/quote]

Sticky tape.

[quote=bubblecup118]@blueblade555

really? Tell me then, your bossing and you are seduce. Apart from Hero Will, what can cure seduce?[/quote]
As izama just said alot of the bosses don't work and the ones that do dont use seduce, for the time being its usless but ones they fix ht pink bean and so on it well be useful

[quote=bubblecup118]@blueblade555

really? Tell me then, your bossing and you are seduce. Apart from Hero Will, what can cure seduce?[/quote]
That's only if you boss on seduce bosses. ATM most high level bosses are glitched and broken anyway but it'll get better later.

@blueblade555

really? Tell me then, your bossing and you are seduce. Apart from Hero Will, what can cure seduce?

just like the guy on top you need to do a quest to get that skill
the quest is a pain and the skill is not worth it
http://www.basilmarket.com/show/screen/200011/0/Heros_will_skilll.html

You need to do a series of quest to get hero's will.

Talk to the [i]chief[/i].