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@Jennifart:

Clearly I stocked them up otherwise I wouldnt be posting this.

[quote=CherryTigers]@IImaplers: We have different opinions, and I totally respect your view. Thanks for reading what I have to say and not trying to shoot me without hearing everything.[/quote]
I respect your thoughts as well and I realize my views on the level of one's integrity in regards to what they do in this game are vastly different from the majority's. good luck

@IImaplers: We have different opinions, and I totally respect your view. Thanks for reading what I have to say and not trying to shoot me without hearing everything.

Back in the summer of 2010 when the meso exploit was introduced, it was [b]clearly[/b] obviously that something was going on that shouldn't normally be happening. Selling out your entire stock of items or selling 50b+ of gear in 1-2 days almost never happens and when something seems to good to be true in this game it almost always is. During the previous meso exploits I believe they deleted the mesos on hellbanned accounts only, so if your friends end up hellbanned then there's a good chance they're out of luck.

[quote=CherryTigers]I appreciate your opinion as I appreciate anyone's. Just to clarify a few things.

The 1000 golden hammers were obtained through SilentTM's hard work and dedication as a merchant to walk through the market for over 3 months to buy each hammer from the market. 2 star AEE came from some sort of NX event; I forgot which one. SilentTM did the same thing with those scrolls. Walked around the market in search of them. Special Bonus potential scroll, same thing. We all simply bought them out of people's stores.

We pride ourselves in legitimacy. We walked around the market and bought the items.
We do not even use bot programs to spam in the freemarket saying, "B> SCROLL FOR 100m@@@@@@@@@"
We stay exclusively inside fm rooms 1-22.

The current item that we invested in before SilentTM quit, I cannot say the item since I do not want to ruin our investment, but we walked around the whole market several times everyday to find the item. Sometimes when we were lazy, we simply used owl of Nirvanas.
We have over 100b invested and we expect to come with at least a 200b return, profiting over 100b.
This was all 10000% done legitly. No hacks, no dupers, no nothing.
In fact, to add to my point, [b]if a duper participated, then we would actually be screwed.[/b] If a duper participated, our investments would be ruined as the duper would sell the item for cheap to other people around the market, and our investment wouldn't inflate.

The AEEs that I mentioned that were duped. I barely bought any of those compared to the amount of work I put into those above items mentioned.

Please don't downplay the work of my friend, those hammers were obtained legitly. We have over 100 people from our alliance who will vouch for that. Anyone will tell you that SilentTM and I "live in the freemarket." We made all these investments during summer vacation. If we log in for several hours a day and stay in the freemarket only, what else would we have done except walked around in search of perfect investment opportunities?

So no, I did not "sell enough duped scrolls to make billions."[/quote]

I admire your honesty. But my views for the most part remain.

You think buying things of which origins you do not know from random peoples' stores absolves you from blame? Buying/selling something that's most likely duped doesn't make you completely innocent, even if you weren't the one originally duping it. I've heard the "don't shoot the messenger (middleman)" defense before. This one isn't cutting it for me.

Alas, I honor the hard work some merchants put into what they do, but when they get greedy with it and try to monopolize, they can ruin the game for everyone just as much as hackers can. I'm sure you and your friend bought and sold plenty of duped items in order to afford buying all those hammers anyway. I respect that you guys did not hack to get where you've gotten (and since I think you're telling the truth here, this is mainly why I don't think you deserve a perma-ban) but don't pretend billions of dirty mesos and items weren't involved in the process. The game's been riddled by them for years and that's why one must be extra careful when dealing with all things fm-related. You and your friend apparently weren't careful enough.

[quote=IImaplers]Well there you have it. You sold enough duped scrolls to make billions. Let's also not pretend that 1000 golden hammers were obtained without cheating or rule-bending in any way either. A ban of a couple of months would serve you right in my estimation. I'm not saying that Nexon is handling this situation properly (nor have they ever really), however. Peace be with you and I hope you learn a lesson from this.[/quote]

I appreciate your opinion as I appreciate anyone's. Just to clarify a few things.

The 1000 golden hammers were obtained through SilentTM's hard work and dedication as a merchant to walk through the market for over 3 months to buy each hammer from the market. 2 star AEE came from some sort of NX event; I forgot which one. SilentTM did the same thing with those scrolls. Walked around the market in search of them. Special Bonus potential scroll, same thing. We all simply bought them out of people's stores.

We pride ourselves in legitimacy. We walked around the market and bought the items.
We do not even use bot programs to spam in the freemarket saying, "B> SCROLL FOR 100m@@@@@@@@@"
We stay exclusively inside fm rooms 1-22.

The current item that we invested in before SilentTM quit, I cannot say the item since I do not want to ruin our investment, but we walked around the whole market several times everyday to find the item. Sometimes when we were lazy, we simply used owl of Nirvanas.
We have over 100b invested and we expect to come with at least a 200b return, profiting over 100b.
This was all 10000% done legitly. No hacks, no dupers, no nothing.
In fact, to add to my point, [b]if a duper participated, then we would actually be screwed.[/b] If a duper participated, our investments would be ruined as the duper would sell the item for cheap to other people around the market, and our investment wouldn't inflate.

The AEEs that I mentioned that were duped. I barely bought any of those compared to the amount of work I put into those above items mentioned.

Please don't downplay the work of my friend, those hammers were obtained legitly. We have over 100 people from our alliance who will vouch for that. Anyone will tell you that SilentTM and I "live in the freemarket." We made all these investments during summer vacation. If we log in for several hours a day and stay inside the freemarket exclusively, what else would we have done except walked around in search of perfect investment opportunities?

So no, I did not "sell enough duped scrolls to make billions."

We are from different servers, so I do understand how our markets would differ so we might not come to understand each other fully.

@CherryTigers: Well there you have it. You sold enough duped scrolls to make billions. Let's also not pretend that 1000 golden hammers were obtained without cheating or rule-bending in any way either. A ban of a couple of months would serve you right in my estimation. I'm not saying that Nexon is handling this situation properly (nor have they ever really), however. Peace be with you and I hope you learn a lesson from this.

@IImaplers: I do not know the origins of some of the scrolls.

A merchant by the name of SilentTM quit. He was a good friend of mine. I bought a nice handful of his scrolls/golden hammers. They were not duped as far as we both know. SilentTM walked around the market for a while from the time hammers were 20m to around 50m in Windia and bought them from people's stores in attempt to monopolize the hammer. He was selling them for over 100m-120m each when the supply was very low when he had over 1000 hammers.

He was forced to quit for a personal reason and sold me them for a cheaper price so I could continue to resell them.

I have some AEEs that I bought, those were bought from a duper who mass duped AEEs and love letters in Windia. Besides that, the other scrolls should be legit. I did not touch a single love letter.

To answer your question, they were:
Golden Hammers
2 Star AEE
AEE
Special Bonus Potential Scroll

@CherryTigers: What scrolls were they? And how many of them did you sell? If they were duped scrolls, you should stay banned.

i hope they wipe out all the "dirty mesos"

[quote=IImaplers]And you had no inclination that there was something odd about how fast you obtained the 60 billion (not just 10 billion but 60 billion)? You've made 6 quick trades (at least) probably selling items that would probably never sell that fast under normal circumstances or even on a good day. To not realize after the first few trades at least, that you were dealing with a hacker(s) is off to me.

I can understand when people unknowingly sold 1 or 2 two things in their shop and are forced to close them down because something weird is happening, but 6+ things? People would think that you're in on it. I don't think you were in on it but at the same time you are not absolved from all blame either.[/quote]

I am not a flip merchant. I did not make 6 trades as you said with them. I never once came in contact with another hacker and actually talked to them. They simply bought scrolls out my store, I restocked, and they rebought, and I continued to restock. There was absolutely no communication with each other. They did not even leave a message in my store at any time.

If you really want to get personal about it, I had a microbiology exam I was studying for. Wasn't the easiest exam. I was more busy studying than I was focused about Maplestory. Then in the weekend, I was busy studying for my pharmacy entrance exam that happens in less than 2 months. I didn't pay much attention to it since Maplestory was not on my priority list. But even then, I began to notice the speed of my sales.

I told myself something.
1. Windia's economy is recovering
2. Something is definitely very wrong.

Even then, I didn't think too much about it. My alliance and I were talking about it though. They too told me the same person who bought my items was also buying their items. By then, we all realized that this was a meso exploit, but it was already too late, as, receiving even 10 mesos from the hacker would have lead to us being hellbanned.

Like 95% of mesos in the economy before this exploit were gained via exploited/ farming means. If mesos were obtained as intended, the in game economy would look more like kms with a few outlying factors

[quote=CherryTigers]I received 60b of hacked mesos in exchange for 60b worth in items. In reality, I did not really plus from this, aside from the fact that my items sold faster than they usually do.[/quote]
And you had no inclination that there was something odd about how fast you obtained the 60 billion (not just 10 billion but 60 billion)? You've made 6 quick trades (at least) probably selling items that would probably never sell that fast under normal circumstances or even on a good day. To not realize after the first few trades at least, that you were dealing with a hacker(s) is off to me.

I can understand when people unknowingly sold 1 or 2 two things in their shop and are forced to close them down because something weird is happening, but 6+ things? People would think that you're in on it. I don't think you were in on it but at the same time you are not absolved from all blame either.

@Jyenna: Don't feel so bad about it. The fact of the matter is this:

Me for example. I did not "gain" anything. My items simply sold faster than they usually did.
I received 60b of hacked mesos in exchange for 60b worth in items.

In reality, I did not really plus from this, aside from the fact that my items sold faster than they usually do.

What I'm trying to get across is this: I did not magically gain 60b. My items sold. I'm a merchant. It was an even exchange for myself. The only one who really benefited from this was the hacker, who produced the dirty mesos.

If those exploited mesos aren't going to be deleted, then Nexon isn't solving anything. Jesus christ..

So congratulations to those who sold 50b+ worth of stuff. You just made 50b in return for not playing Maplestory for 2-3 days. >.<

[quote=CherryTigers]And to answer the question, yes, exploited mesos are still in the economy. But there's no need to worry about it.[/quote]

Well it's going to cause lots of inflation. Take your 2/3-star ee scrolls for example. If the hacker who bought them out got banned with the scrolls still on that account, then the price of those scrolls is going to go up quite a bit.

@CherryTigers: During the last meso exploit, hellbans were handed out like crazy. When they were lifted, the exploited meso was still there.

That's why I tend to believe Nexon won't delete them.

Yes but what if those hackers bought useless items from their own shops for billions and billions of mesos.. and they kept those mesos?

Yeah you might have sold billions worth of equips worth that much.. but I don't know.. I hope Nexon rolls back transactions but that's probably not happening

@GunPowder: Of course, we are the players. Ultimately, we do not know what Nexon will do until they tell us. They could just wipe out all the mesos that I obtained as well. I'm just an optimistic person so I imagine they will not, but that may just be wishful thinking.

[quote=CherryTigers]The server check wasn't even regarding the mesos. If it was, it would have been many hours long.

The hell ban issue should be resolved in 2-3 days.

And to answer the question, yes, exploited mesos are still in the economy. But there's no need to worry about it.[/quote]

Well, I think you don't have to worry about getting banned anymore, but the exploited mesos are something to worry about. Once the hellban is lifted, you're most likely going to keep the meso you made during the exploit. I'm not accusing you of anything, this could have happened to anyone. It's just that hackers could have bought a worthless piece of equipment priced at 10b at someone's store.
While it's not the seller's fault, he did gain an unfair advantage over other players. And this could affect the market.

And I won't be touching any of those items. I'm staying away from the FM until this whole fiasco is dealt with! o.o

Soon you will see a crap load of rising sun items in the market from smart hackers .

The mesos that were generated will be deleted but in theory they are still floating around, so I wouldn't buy or sell anything for the time being. But by all means you can trade items just not currency

The server check wasn't even regarding the mesos. If it was, it would have been many hours long.

The hell ban issue should be resolved in 2-3 days.

And to answer the question, yes, exploited mesos are still in the economy. But there's no need to worry about it.