[quote=Lmaonade200]you're dealing 6m a line because you suck big peepee, not because Kaiser sucks[/quote]
haha, that was in v149 genius. Im hitting 15mill per line now without changing any equips in v150. And yea kaisers don't suck anymore but they are certainly not the best still. That spot is reserved for phantoms
[quote=antycleax]LOL kaiser's the strongest in the community? Haha, doing 6m x11 with gigas wave despite having 2mill range (17-34% str gear on every equip, 340%boss, 50%+ attack) seams very strong, right? Your comment just shows how in jealous, naive and stupid you are. Oh and go ahead report it, you must be a genius thinking you're the first one trying to report it. I reported it myself since it causes me to dc but the GM did nothing. I could care less for the glitch anyways
Edit: I just realized you're Mazz. Lost all respect for you buddy. I didn't expect such a comment from someone like you but it's alright. Go do yourself a favour, a make a kaiser, i/l or luminous and hitting caps with it. And you'll realize how stupid you are for making such a dumb comment. Oh and you just lost a subscriber.[/quote]
you're dealing 6m a line because you suck big peepee, not because Kaiser sucks
[quote=antycleax] You're to ignorant and stupid to explain to me how hundreds of people reported this issue to Nexon via Tickets, Chat, Furoms and yet Nexon hasn't done anything for 3 weeks.[/quote]
Yeah, because Nexon has always been known for their quick responses to issues with the game.
[quote=antycleax]@Expressnless: Stop wasting my time. I never said it wasn't a bug, next time read through the thread before posting ignorant comments and whining how this is a glitch. I was implying it's possible that it may not be a bug but I also acknowledge it could be a bug. You're to ignorant and stupid to explain to me how hundreds of people reported this issue to Nexon via Tickets, Chat, Furoms and yet Nexon hasn't done anything for 3 weeks. Oh, show me proof that it is 100% a bug, hypocrite.
Stop whining like a kid, you still haven't answered my question or shown any valid arguments. All you do is whine and sheet talk, nothing to back it up.[/quote]
Nexon hasnt done anything regarding MPE green potions for over a year and that doesnt really mean that it isnt a bug. It is not the first time that Nexon takes years to acknowledge that something is a bug and fix it.
The fact that those changes on Frozen orb(and a few other skills) are undocumented is enough proof of it being a bug as any undocumented change is a bug unless Nexon states otherwise, which they havent done.
@antycleax: Lol i can tell you're not even worth my time nor have the brain capacity for a discussion, and calling me a kid... How classical of someone whose probably a kid themselves. Enjoy your glitches while they last is all i can say really.
@Expressnless: Stop wasting my time. I never said it wasn't a bug, next time read through the thread before posting ignorant comments and whining how this is a glitch. I was implying it's possible that it may not be a bug but I also acknowledge it could be a bug. You're to ignorant and stupid to explain to me how hundreds of people reported this issue to Nexon via Tickets, Chat, Furoms and yet Nexon hasn't done anything for 3 weeks. Oh, show me proof that it is 100% a bug, hypocrite.
Stop whining like a kid, you still haven't answered my question or shown any valid arguments. All you do is whine and sheet talk, nothing to back it up.
@antycleax- Is that a genuine question? What do i know about a logical argument? Well its definitely not what you've been spouting that's for sure. I don't think you've been around long enough... you need take everything with a grain of salt when it comes to nexon, just because it's been 3 weeks and it's not on the bug list doesn't mean that it's not a bug/glitch and won't be fixed in the near future. Stop being a whiny little child, you've not once come out with anything to back up your argument other than "it's not on the bug list so it isn't a bug".
@OmgItsMazz - Yep well you can only try and help people for so long, after that it just gets tiresome believe me i've tried many a time and gotten nowhere with half the people roaming these forums but as long as it helps the people that actually care and don't want to abuse the game bugs/glitches then it's still worth the hassle. Another example is the horntail entry ticket glitch which allowed certain people to get level 200 on their shade in only 4 hours which is just a game breaker really, they've just made it far too easy for people to take advantage constantly abuse things which makes it extremely boring.
@Expressnless: you'd think i'd learn.. i thought i'd made my point clear but these guys are dead set on trying to convince each other that it is intended functionality ._. that's actually one of the reasons i've decided to stop playing to be honest, it's very tiring when no matter how well argued/proven a point is someone will always knock it down as 'an opinion' or flat out ignore it and hurl an insult at me. it isn't worth the time but i feel obligated to try anyway for some reason =/
@antycleax: i didn't express an opinion in that paragraph, but i agree that i hope it gets resolved soon.
[quote=OmgItsMazz]@antycleax: you're clearly not smart enough to know if it's glitched or not because it is glitched, and realising that it is glitched is not as a result of jealousy, it's as a result of observation. unrelated, but i shouldn't need to point out that not everyone wants to abuse glitches, many of us actually enjoy playing the game legitimately. shocking really, given the state of the game nowadays.
once again: yes, it is undoubtably a glitch, yes, it will be fixed, no, not everyone who cannot abuse it is jealous. is that clear enough?[/quote]
Fair enough, you're entitled to your own opinion. If its a glitch I hope it gets sorted out soon but I guess only time will tell.
@Expressnless- What do know about logical argument? The only reason I'm starting to believe it's not a glitch anymore is because its been 3 weeks and its not even on the "bug list" despite people reporting it constantly. Please explain this to me.
[quote=OmgItsMazz]@antycleax: you're clearly not smart enough to know if it's glitched or not because it is glitched, and realising that it is glitched is not as a result of jealousy, it's as a result of observation. unrelated, but i shouldn't need to point out that not everyone wants to abuse glitches, many of us actually enjoy playing the game legitimately. shocking really, given the state of the game nowadays.
once again: yes, it is undoubtably a glitch, yes, it will be fixed, no, not everyone who cannot abuse it is jealous. is that clear enough?[/quote] If i were you i really wouldn't waste my time trying to bring across a logical argument specially here on basil because the only replies you'll get are insults without any proper justification on their part. I think most people with a decent common sense knows that it is a bug/glitch and isn't intended for game play.. I mean who really in their right mind wants to see CRA bosses solo'd in 3 minutes, how boring do they really want to make this game... It's just the people who got stronger with the glitches that are complaining because they don't want to put in the effort nor time to build themselves up gradually. It's a shame people like you who actually have a good understanding of how the game should be are actually walking away from maple as you're being replaced by complete idiotic children who haven't been around long enough to understand any of the games mechanics.
Even if it is a glitch, whenever I use it, my mana drains so freaking fast. Maybe the skill as a whole just got faster in general. Its all relative. Who knows if its a glitch. If it is, that sucks. ill miss it. but at the same time this speed thing is relative to the mP cost and is helping the i/l community a ton.
@antycleax: you're clearly not smart enough to know if it's glitched or not because it is glitched, and realising that it is glitched is not as a result of jealousy, it's as a result of observation. unrelated, but i shouldn't need to point out that not everyone wants to abuse glitches, many of us actually enjoy playing the game legitimately. shocking really, given the state of the game nowadays.
once again: yes, it is undoubtably a glitch, yes, it will be fixed, no, not everyone who cannot abuse it is jealous. is that clear enough?
[quote=joblessjim]His "Except there is, and you would know that it's already been stated if you'd read the thread." remark had an edge to it, implying i had not read the thread. I did not appreciate that considering i did read the thread and chose to have a neutral thought process as opposed to taking one persons speculation as truth. It was rude and not necessary, as well as mis-leading.[/quote]
Tbh that's not the way I interpreted it but his next comment was very hostile so just ignore him. @Green4EVER is a jerk and he thinks he is better than most of us since he does more damage or has a lot of subscribers. Just remember outside this game he's nothing.
[quote=antycleax]No one is being hostile towards you. Like you and several others, many of us are in the middle and we are smart enough to know there is no way to determine if it's glitched or not. Only people are being ignorant in this thread if @bleve and @omgitsmazz who think its 100% glitched and are whining from jealousy that they can't abuse the glitch. Anyways it's fine, only time will tell.
@Green4EVER good riddance, you had nothing good to say anyways but bash people in this thread.[/quote]
His "Except there is, and you would know that it's already been stated if you'd read the thread." remark had an edge to it, implying i had not read the thread. I did not appreciate that considering i did read the thread and chose to have a neutral thought process as opposed to taking one persons speculation as truth. It was rude and not necessary, as well as mis-leading.
[quote=joblessjim]Once more, I'm a neutral observer on this issue, i have no formulated an opinion on if it is or is not a glitch because i prefer to wait for official announcements because i don't take things at face value, Nor do i even care enough about this matter to do so. I only posted because people started acting like little kids.
Everything mazz pointed out could very well be true, in fact it probably is, but to go ahead and say for a fact it is or it is not based on speculation is dumb. I merely said "hey guys, it might or might not be, there is no 100% way to tell." Your response was that i should read the whole thread because it was already pointed out. I had read the whole thread and was very confused as to why i didn't see it, and the reason i did not was because it was just one dudes speculation. It was not 100% verified just because one person argued in its favor. Therefore my response was warranted and was in good nature to calm everyone down. So it was a very immature move to respond to me the way you did, i do not appreciate that at all. Everyone is fighting back and forth thus far in such a hostile way and i don't think their evidence warrants the harsh words that have been traded. I just wanted everyone to calm down.[/quote]
No one is being hostile towards you. Like you and several others, many of us are in the middle and we are smart enough to know there is no way to determine if it's glitched or not. Only people are being ignorant in this thread is @Green4EVER and @omgitsmazz who think its 100% glitched and are whining from jealousy that they can't abuse the glitch. Anyways it's fine, only time will tell.
@Green4EVER good riddance, you had nothing good to say anyways but bash people in this thread.
[quote=antycleax]What's wrong with? I just read through the thread and there was no reason to make rude comments like that especially when e was expressing his own opinion. When I was talking about youtubers being jerks, I specifically meant YOU since I've seen threads where you bash people for no reason. Get a life kid.
CherryTigers- Those 2 videos don't show me anything. The frozen orb and wingbeat is the "old version" in those videos. And more importantly KMST got 330% Gigas wave, 8% Boss damage, and all sorts of buffs GMS never got in v150. Instead GMS kaiser's only got 270% gigas wave which is garbage. And I don't know if wingbeat/frozen orb are glitched or not, but there is no way we would know. Since it's been 3 weeks and it isn't on the "bug list" despite hundreds of jealous whiners complaining, it's becoming more likely it was intended. So until you give me solid evidence, I think my opinion will be in the middle moving towards intended until then.[/quote]
You know what, forget it. I had a few paragraphs written up but you're just not even worth it. I learned my lesson last time I wasted my time arguing with you. And don't even try to act like I didn't see your post pre-edit. Regardless, I'm going to be the bigger man here and take my leave. Good bye and good riddance.
inb4 you pull more insults out of your ass, since that's literally all you ever do in every post.
[quote=Green4EVER]Refer to Mazz's posts. Just because an "official announcement" hasn't been made doesn't mean it isn't a glitch. Cherry basically said the exact same thing as him anyway.[/quote]
Once more, I'm a neutral observer on this issue, i have no formulated an opinion on if it is or is not a glitch because i prefer to wait for official announcements because i don't take things at face value, Nor do i even care enough about this matter to do so. I only posted because people started acting like little kids.
Everything mazz pointed out could very well be true, in fact it probably is, but to go ahead and say for a fact it is or it is not based on speculation is dumb. I merely said "hey guys, it might or might not be, there is no 100% way to tell." Your response was that i should read the whole thread because it was already pointed out. I had read the whole thread and was very confused as to why i didn't see it, and the reason i did not was because it was just one dudes speculation. It was not 100% verified just because one person argued in its favor. Therefore my response was warranted and was in good nature to calm everyone down. So it was a very immature move to respond to me the way you did, i do not appreciate that at all. Everyone is fighting back and forth thus far in such a hostile way and i don't think their evidence warrants the harsh words that have been traded. I just wanted everyone to calm down.
Why is everyone so upset over this? This creates competition and competition makes the game more exciting! Lets enjoy this while it lasts, and if some bad seeds may try to ruin it for others then why let those bad seeds get to you? Enjoy the game!
[quote=Green4EVER]Every time you post you just get more and more ignorant. Just stop. Please.[/quote]
What's wrong with? I just read through the thread and there was no reason to make rude comments like that especially when e was expressing his own opinion. When I was talking about youtubers being jerks, I specifically meant YOU since I've seen threads where you bash people for no reason. Get a life kid.
@CherryTigers- Those 2 videos don't show me anything. The frozen orb and wingbeat is the "old version" in those videos. And more importantly KMST got 330% Gigas wave, 8% Boss damage, and all sorts of buffs GMS never got in v150. Instead GMS kaiser's only got 270% gigas wave which is garbage. And I don't know if wingbeat/frozen orb are glitched or not, but there is no way we would know. Since it's been 3 weeks and it isn't on the "bug list" despite hundreds of jealous whiners complaining, it's becoming more likely it was intended. So until you give me solid evidence, I think my opinion will be in the middle moving towards intended until then.
[quote=joblessjim]I did read the entire thread. And after reading your comment i went ahead and read it again and still did not see any kind of official word on it being a glitch or not. The only official thing i see is from cherry a few posts after i had said what i did, anything anyone else had to say was opinion/speculation. Now maybe i did miss some kind of official thing, if so point out what page it was on please. And the way you responded comes off sounding a bit edgy, i'd appreciate you not giving me an attitude when i don't deserve one, i'm not on either side of the "it is a glitch/it isn't" war. People began arguing and throwing around insults and i was merely trying to calm that down.[/quote]
Refer to Mazz's posts. Just because an "official announcement" hasn't been made doesn't mean it isn't a glitch. Cherry basically said the exact same thing as him anyway.
[quote=OmgItsMazz]@antycleax: alright dude, i can appreciate you getting offended that i said kaisers were overpowered (they are though, i'm not going to take it back, just because you're not as powerful as you might think you should be with your stats doesn't change the fact that in terms of numbers, kaisers are strong), but look at all the things that are broken in-game and look at the bug list. final attack has been broken since september last year and is still not on that stupid list, does that mean it's intended? obviously not, it just means nexon are a terrible company and have no idea what they're doing. 3 weeks is nothing, it'll probably take months for it to be acknowledged, but that does not make it any less of a big deal or any less of a bug. it is absolutely not intended functionality regardless of you or anyone else's opinion, whether you feel it should be or not, that does not change the fact that it is broken.
you're telling me to grow up? you've called me out for being arrogant for literally no reason to defend this bug because you personally feel like it should be intended with no regard to any factual evidence proving otherwise. i know exactly what i'm talking about in regards to bugs in this game, i've seen things like this come and go and there's ALWAYS someone like you to defend them. remember the max damage magic attack bug? think that was intended? it's the exact same thing here and it will be fixed sooner or later. there are a multitude of classes that are stronger than DBs and i don't know why you'd bring that up because it is both irrelevant and i don't care.
here's the bug report i've just posted on the nexon forum, i'll be bumping it a few times a week until it is acknowledged and fixed accordingly: http://maplestory.nexon.net/community/#%2Fshowthread.php%3F1222785-SKILL-ISSUE-Wing-Beat-Bat-Swarm-Morning-Star-and-Frozen-Orb-have-no-delay%26p%3D10319087%23post10319087
have fun abusing it while you can, it won't last.[/quote]
You have no idea what you are talking about. 1. Before v150, You can have perfect gear 34% Str on each equipment and you still couldn't cap on a kaiser on Chaos RA bosses. And you may be right I'm probably not as strong as I think, but I look at equipment videos on youtube. Look at Seanx3's equipment video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4wtHrJwBYE), he was nearly capping at bosses while I had better equipments than him (in terms of %boss, %att and %str) and was hitting 6-7mill per line with gigas wave. Our dojo times were 1:30min apart. 2. The Max Magic Attack bug was clearly a bug, there was nothing to argue there so don't even go there. And that glitch got fixed right away within a day. 3. You haven't even funded any of those jobs to even give a proper opinion. Making link skill mules means nothing, go drop 100b into those jobs and you would see how weak they are without these "glitched skills". Oh and if you have the balls to try any of these jobs without these "glitched" skills you are proposing, go for it.
Regardless if it's a glitch or not. All of those jobs were weak which is my point. if it's a glitch, it should be fixed. if it was intended, get over it. I honestly don't care just stop whining and expressing how jealous you are and then bashing how OP those jobs were before when they were really weak as dirt. Only time will tell.
[quote=Green4EVER]Except there is, and you would know that it's already been stated if you'd read the thread.[/quote] I did read the entire thread. And after reading your comment i went ahead and read it again and still did not see any kind of official word on it being a glitch or not. The only official thing i see is from cherry a few posts after i had said what i did, anything anyone else had to say was opinion/speculation. Now maybe i did miss some kind of official thing, if so point out what page it was on please. And the way you responded comes off sounding a bit edgy, i'd appreciate you not giving me an attitude when i don't deserve one, i'm not on either side of the "it is a glitch/it isn't" war. People began arguing and throwing around insults and i was merely trying to calm that down.
[quote=OmgItsMazz]@antycleax: yeah.. that goes for literally every single bug in the game. I can think of a number of examples that are significantly more weird than a delay being decreased accidentally. What about when all Final Attack skills were mysteriously given an active animation? You think that was done on purpose too?
The only people defending this bug are those who can abuse it, I think that speaks volumes about the issue at hand too. Enjoy it while it lasts I guess.[/quote] Abuse it? Lol in what way? Do Bowmaster abuse hurricane + arrow blaster? You are a troll.
I don't understand, when I read basil everyone says "glitch." However, the reputable players in game say it is intended and that nexon said in the revamp that a total of 27? Almost all characters got a small revamp in some way. Why wouldn't I/L be one of them? We all know we needed it. This "glitched" (hopefully intended) frozen orb doesn't make us op or anything of the sort. Before the revamped frozen orb we were far far behind most every class in 1v1 dps. Now we're just able to hang and kinda keep up compared to decently tiered dps classes. We by not means became an over powered class because of a faster frozen orb, it only allows us to finally compete.
Some people say glitch, I hold out hopes that these skills were intended to be revamped and the only "glitch" happening is that lag spike that it causes. With that smoothed out everything would be gravy. I certainly hope frozen orb is here to stay, before, thieves with my range were doing almost 10 mins faster than me in dojo. Now I can get a lot closer to their times with the same range. I didn't surpass them or even equal, only came closer, to give everyone an idea of the huge op difference (not actually the case at all). I have mained an I/L for 8.5 years, we not only needed this, we as a class deserved this. *fingers crossed*
It is indeed a glitch. Take a look at the up-to-date KMS bossing videos. It'll be returned to normal eventually. (links to videos on the bottom of my comment)
I do understand people's plight for arguing for their own character's self benefits, but I don't think this is the way.
That being said, it'll be patched eventually regardless of Mazz and Bleve reporting it or not so there's no point in this fight. Watch these video links. The skills are "fixed." This is uploaded 2 months ago so just calculate it with another 6 months away to match GMS time. It's fixed so... Even if they didn't report it, it would be fixed regardless. [b]GMS tends to copy + paste everything KMS does so it might just be fixed in a patch later on without any warning.[/b]
Just enjoy it while it lasts. There's no need to report it and there's no need to argue either. It's not gamebreaking anyways so I don't see the need to argue. Just have fun with the skills until they get fixed.
[quote=trollburt]i dont know why you bothered too, thread has nothing to do with you yet you posted with your holier than thou self.
classic mapler establishing confidence he gets from spending ton of money on the game. pretty sad bruh[/quote]
lol okay buddy, go enjoy your glitched skills a little more while you still can. I, too, will be reporting these issues to expedite the patching process.
[quote=trollburt]EXACTLY. Phantom just started becoming fun again for me and these 15 year olds with a "holier than thou" attitude who play waaaay too much want to ruin that for everyone. Can people just play the darn game and if Nexon does something about it, so be it. But in the mean time, I aint feeling these snitches[/quote]
Every time you post you just get more and more ignorant. Just stop. Please.
[quote=joblessjim]I don't play this game for damage or anything like that, nor do i even own a phantom or i/l, but personally i think it looks cool now. It may or may not be a glitch, i can see it being one, and i can also see it being a buff. Unfortunately there is no 100% way to tell if it is or is not. So until there is definite proof for either case it's kind of nonsensical to argue either side of it definitively.[/quote]
EXACTLY. Phantom just started becoming fun again for me and these 15 year olds with a "holier than thou" attitude who play waaaay too much want to ruin that for everyone. Can people just play the darn game and if Nexon does something about it, so be it. But in the mean time, I aint feeling these snitches
[quote=joblessjim]I don't play this game for damage or anything like that, nor do i even own a phantom or i/l, but personally i think it looks cool now. It may or may not be a glitch, i can see it being one, and i can also see it being a buff. Unfortunately there is no 100% way to tell if it is or is not. So until there is definite proof for either case it's kind of nonsensical to argue either side of it definitively.[/quote]
Except there is, and you would know that it's already been stated if you'd read the thread.
I don't play this game for damage or anything like that, nor do i even own a phantom or i/l, but personally i think it looks cool now. It may or may not be a glitch, i can see it being one, and i can also see it being a buff. Unfortunately there is no 100% way to tell if it is or is not. So until there is definite proof for either case it's kind of nonsensical to argue either side of it definitively.
[quote=OmgItsMazz]@trollburt: the fact that you'd consider two paragraphs an entire novel says a lot about your character, i gather you don't read very often
don't be sad, there will be other bugs that you can exploit in the future[/quote]
the fact that you dont know how a hyperbole is utilized says a lot about your schooling
[quote=OmgItsMazz]@trollburt: unsurprisingly the only people who are upset that I'm trying to get a bug fixed are those who can take advantage of it, go figure[/quote]
nah its just the amount of depth and seriousness you put it trying to start a fight with people online. how butthurt can one person get to be motivated to write an entire novel multiple times on a thread.
pls do something with your life
oh and let the butthurt flow through your jimjams while your feeble attempts get unanswered
[quote=OmgItsMazz]@antycleax: alright dude, i can appreciate you getting offended that i said kaisers were overpowered (they are though, i'm not going to take it back, just because you're not as powerful as you might think you should be with your stats doesn't change the fact that in terms of numbers, kaisers are strong), but look at all the things that are broken in-game and look at the bug list. final attack has been broken since september last year and is still not on that stupid list, does that mean it's intended? obviously not, it just means nexon are a terrible company and have no idea what they're doing. 3 weeks is nothing, it'll probably take months for it to be acknowledged, but that does not make it any less of a big deal or any less of a bug. it is absolutely not intended functionality regardless of you or anyone else's opinion, whether you feel it should be or not, that does not change the fact that it is broken.
you're telling me to grow up? you've called me out for being arrogant for literally no reason to defend this bug because you personally feel like it should be intended with no regard to any factual evidence proving otherwise. i know exactly what i'm talking about in regards to bugs in this game, i've seen things like this come and go and there's ALWAYS someone like you to defend them. remember the max damage magic attack bug? think that was intended? it's the exact same thing here and it will be fixed sooner or later. there are a multitude of classes that are stronger than DBs and i don't know why you'd bring that up because it is both irrelevant and i don't care.
here's the bug report i've just posted on the nexon forum, i'll be bumping it a few times a week until it is acknowledged and fixed accordingly: http://maplestory.nexon.net/community/#%2Fshowthread.php%3F1222785-SKILL-ISSUE-Wing-Beat-Bat-Swarm-Morning-Star-and-Frozen-Orb-have-no-delay%26p%3D10319087%23post10319087
have fun abusing it while you can, it won't last.[/quote]
i can tell by the way you post that you're in fact a toolbag
@antycleax: alright dude, i can appreciate you getting offended that i said kaisers were overpowered (they are though, i'm not going to take it back, just because you're not as powerful as you might think you should be with your stats doesn't change the fact that in terms of numbers, kaisers are strong), but look at all the things that are broken in-game and look at the bug list. final attack has been broken since september last year and is still not on that stupid list, does that mean it's intended? obviously not, it just means nexon are a terrible company and have no idea what they're doing. 3 weeks is nothing, it'll probably take months for it to be acknowledged, but that does not make it any less of a big deal or any less of a bug. it is absolutely not intended functionality regardless of you or anyone else's opinion, whether you feel it should be or not, that does not change the fact that it is broken.
you're telling me to grow up? you've called me out for being arrogant for literally no reason to defend this bug because you personally feel like it should be intended with no regard to any factual evidence proving otherwise. i know exactly what i'm talking about in regards to bugs in this game, i've seen things like this come and go and there's ALWAYS someone like you to defend them. remember the max damage magic attack bug? think that was intended? it's the exact same thing here and it will be fixed sooner or later. there are a multitude of classes that are stronger than DBs and i don't know why you'd bring that up because it is both irrelevant and i don't care.
here's the bug report i've just posted on the nexon forum, i'll be bumping it a few times a week until it is acknowledged and fixed accordingly: http://maplestory.nexon.net/community/#%2Fshowthread.php%3F1222785-SKILL-ISSUE-Wing-Beat-Bat-Swarm-Morning-Star-and-Frozen-Orb-have-no-delay%26p%3D10319087%23post10319087
[quote=OmgItsMazz]@SheepPB: no, it is definitely a glitch, wing beat outdamaging literally every other attacking skill kaiser has cannot be justified as 'bringing them back to the top', that's absurd. no other versions of maplestory have these skills functioning as they do. i genuinely cannot understand why people think this might be intended functionality...[/quote]
There is no way to tell if it's a glitch AND [b]It's not even on the "bug list"[/b] despite 3 weeks and MANY people reporting this including myself. More importantly It seams you have something against kaiser since you aren't complaining how OP phantoms are. The real issue out of these skills is how badly phantom's became OP. If you tried both skills, you would have noticed duration of Frozen Orb >>> Kaiser's Wing beat. Just stop whining and get over there are jobs stronger than DBs. Even if it's a glitch w/e, everyone is abusing it even the "big" youtubers, so grow up.
@SheepPB- Just ignore Mazz, he has no idea what he's talking.
[quote=OmgItsMazz]@SheepPB: no, it is definitely a glitch, wing beat outdamaging literally every other attacking skill kaiser has cannot be justified as 'bringing them back to the top', that's absurd. no other versions of maplestory have these skills functioning as they do. i genuinely cannot understand why people think this might be intended functionality...[/quote]
Well, you are right on that part. However, is it really all that bad for Kaisers and Luminous to have them? I can understand the I/L part because that + Phantoms = Pretty strong. (I personally don't like the delay so I don't bother with it) I think it's a nice balance to the classes. c: Just an opinion though.
@SheepPB: no, it is definitely a glitch, wing beat outdamaging literally every other attacking skill kaiser has cannot be justified as 'bringing them back to the top', that's absurd. no other versions of maplestory have these skills functioning as they do. i genuinely cannot understand why people think this might be intended functionality...
[quote=OmgItsMazz]@antycleax: yeah.. that goes for literally every single bug in the game. I can think of a number of examples that are significantly more weird than a delay being decreased accidentally. What about when all Final Attack skills were mysteriously given an active animation? You think that was done on purpose too?
The only people defending this bug are those who can abuse it, I think that speaks volumes about the issue at hand too. Enjoy it while it lasts I guess.[/quote]
I don't abuse it nor do I think it is a glitch. The only reason for this thinking is that there is a large enough delay for casting the ice orb (or whatever it is called) for it to compensate the massive amount of hits. (Or at least in dojo at least) Similarly, the topic of the Wing Beat "glitch". I think it was to put them back on par in terms of DPS and focus more on bossing. Ice/Lightning mage were not really considered bossing, but rather just someone to tag along for their Frost breathe (I don't know the skill name) as a bind. Kaisers.... It brought them back up? It made Beat Wing, which used to last awhile, into a move more focused on a single monster. Not really sure on that front. Also for Luminous, same reason that applied to I/L for Luminous in terms of bossing.
Though, I'm not saying it isn't completely a glitch. It could possibly be one. I just don't think that it is a glitch, nor do I want to look at it that way. I guess you are right in the wishful thinking part! c:
[quote=OmgItsMazz]Lost all respect for the person pointing out that the glitch you're abusing is in fact a glitch? Okay bro. To be honest I don't want people like you watching my videos anyway.[/quote]
Read my comment again carefully. I got pissed off at you for calling Kaiser's OP before this v150 NOT because of the glitch. I don't care less about the glitch. If you bothered reading my comment, you would have known.
[quote=antycleax]LOL kaiser's the strongest in the community? Haha, doing 6m x11 with gigas wave despite having 2mill range (17-34% str gear on every equip, 340%boss, 50%+ attack) seams very strong, right? Your comment just shows how in jealous, naive and stupid you are. Oh and go ahead report it, you must be a genius thinking you're the first one trying to report it. I reported it myself since it causes me to dc but the GM did nothing.
Edit: I just realized you're Mazz. Lost all respect for you buddy. I didn't expect such a comment from someone like you but it's alright. Go do yourself a favour, a make a kaiser, i/l or luminous and hitting caps with it. And you'll realize how stupid you are for making such a dumb comment. Oh and you just lost a subscriber.[/quote]
Lost all respect for the person pointing out that the glitch you're abusing is in fact a glitch? Okay bro. To be honest I don't want people like you watching my videos anyway.
[quote=OmgItsMazz]@antycleax: Weakest in the community? Kaiser is one of the strongest classes in the game. I/L and Luminous are two of the best bossing classes. Demon Avenger sucks though, I'll give you that.
Haha, I'm going to report it on the Nexon forums now. Have fun with it while it lasts.[/quote]
LOL kaiser's the strongest in the community? Haha, doing 6m x11 with gigas wave despite having 2mill range (17-34% str gear on every equip, 340%boss, 50%+ attack) seams very strong, right? Your comment just shows how in jealous, naive and stupid you are. Oh and go ahead report it, you must be a genius thinking you're the first one trying to report it. I reported it myself since it causes me to dc but the GM did nothing. I could care less for the glitch anyways
Edit: I just realized you're Mazz. Lost all respect for you buddy. I didn't expect such a comment from someone like you but it's alright. Go do yourself a favour, a make a kaiser, i/l or luminous and hitting caps with it. And you'll realize how stupid you are for making such a dumb comment. Oh and you just lost a subscriber.
@antycleax: Weakest in the community? Kaiser is one of the strongest classes in the game. I/L and Luminous are two of the best bossing classes. Demon Avenger sucks though, I'll give you that.
Haha, I'm going to report it on the Nexon forums now. Have fun with it while it lasts.
@OmgItsMazz: That may be true but funny how the bug applied to only a certain skills to the jobs that were the weakest in the community. Funny how after these skills get "bugged" people with OP jobs start complaining.
@Smileyferret: That has nothing to do with the skills delay.
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[quote=Lmaonade200]you're dealing 6m a line because you suck big peepee, not because Kaiser sucks[/quote]
haha, that was in v149 genius. Im hitting 15mill per line now without changing any equips in v150.
And yea kaisers don't suck anymore but they are certainly not the best still. That spot is reserved for phantoms
[quote=antycleax]LOL kaiser's the strongest in the community? Haha, doing 6m x11 with gigas wave despite having 2mill range (17-34% str gear on every equip, 340%boss, 50%+ attack) seams very strong, right? Your comment just shows how in jealous, naive and stupid you are. Oh and go ahead report it, you must be a genius thinking you're the first one trying to report it. I reported it myself since it causes me to dc but the GM did nothing. I could care less for the glitch anyways
Edit: I just realized you're Mazz. Lost all respect for you buddy. I didn't expect such a comment from someone like you but it's alright. Go do yourself a favour, a make a kaiser, i/l or luminous and hitting caps with it. And you'll realize how stupid you are for making such a dumb comment. Oh and you just lost a subscriber.[/quote]
you're dealing 6m a line because you suck big peepee, not because Kaiser sucks
[quote=antycleax] You're to ignorant and stupid to explain to me how hundreds of people reported this issue to Nexon via Tickets, Chat, Furoms and yet Nexon hasn't done anything for 3 weeks.[/quote]
Yeah, because Nexon has always been known for their quick responses to issues with the game.
[quote=antycleax]@Expressnless: Stop wasting my time. I never said it wasn't a bug, next time read through the thread before posting ignorant comments and whining how this is a glitch. I was implying it's possible that it may not be a bug but I also acknowledge it could be a bug. You're to ignorant and stupid to explain to me how hundreds of people reported this issue to Nexon via Tickets, Chat, Furoms and yet Nexon hasn't done anything for 3 weeks. Oh, show me proof that it is 100% a bug, hypocrite.
Stop whining like a kid, you still haven't answered my question or shown any valid arguments. All you do is whine and sheet talk, nothing to back it up.[/quote]
Nexon hasnt done anything regarding MPE green potions for over a year and that doesnt really mean that it isnt a bug. It is not the first time that Nexon takes years to acknowledge that something is a bug and fix it.
The fact that those changes on Frozen orb(and a few other skills) are undocumented is enough proof of it being a bug as any undocumented change is a bug unless Nexon states otherwise, which they havent done.
@antycleax: Lol i can tell you're not even worth my time nor have the brain capacity for a discussion, and calling me a kid... How classical of someone whose probably a kid themselves. Enjoy your glitches while they last is all i can say really.
@Expressnless: Stop wasting my time. I never said it wasn't a bug, next time read through the thread before posting ignorant comments and whining how this is a glitch. I was implying it's possible that it may not be a bug but I also acknowledge it could be a bug. You're to ignorant and stupid to explain to me how hundreds of people reported this issue to Nexon via Tickets, Chat, Furoms and yet Nexon hasn't done anything for 3 weeks. Oh, show me proof that it is 100% a bug, hypocrite.
Stop whining like a kid, you still haven't answered my question or shown any valid arguments. All you do is whine and sheet talk, nothing to back it up.
@antycleax- Is that a genuine question? What do i know about a logical argument? Well its definitely not what you've been spouting that's for sure. I don't think you've been around long enough... you need take everything with a grain of salt when it comes to nexon, just because it's been 3 weeks and it's not on the bug list doesn't mean that it's not a bug/glitch and won't be fixed in the near future. Stop being a whiny little child, you've not once come out with anything to back up your argument other than "it's not on the bug list so it isn't a bug".
@OmgItsMazz - Yep well you can only try and help people for so long, after that it just gets tiresome believe me i've tried many a time and gotten nowhere with half the people roaming these forums but as long as it helps the people that actually care and don't want to abuse the game bugs/glitches then it's still worth the hassle. Another example is the horntail entry ticket glitch which allowed certain people to get level 200 on their shade in only 4 hours which is just a game breaker really, they've just made it far too easy for people to take advantage constantly abuse things which makes it extremely boring.
@Expressnless: you'd think i'd learn.. i thought i'd made my point clear but these guys are dead set on trying to convince each other that it is intended functionality ._. that's actually one of the reasons i've decided to stop playing to be honest, it's very tiring when no matter how well argued/proven a point is someone will always knock it down as 'an opinion' or flat out ignore it and hurl an insult at me. it isn't worth the time but i feel obligated to try anyway for some reason =/
@antycleax: i didn't express an opinion in that paragraph, but i agree that i hope it gets resolved soon.
[quote=OmgItsMazz]@antycleax: you're clearly not smart enough to know if it's glitched or not because it is glitched, and realising that it is glitched is not as a result of jealousy, it's as a result of observation. unrelated, but i shouldn't need to point out that not everyone wants to abuse glitches, many of us actually enjoy playing the game legitimately. shocking really, given the state of the game nowadays.
once again: yes, it is undoubtably a glitch, yes, it will be fixed, no, not everyone who cannot abuse it is jealous. is that clear enough?[/quote]
Fair enough, you're entitled to your own opinion. If its a glitch I hope it gets sorted out soon but I guess only time will tell.
@Expressnless- What do know about logical argument? The only reason I'm starting to believe it's not a glitch anymore is because its been 3 weeks and its not even on the "bug list" despite people reporting it constantly. Please explain this to me.
[quote=OmgItsMazz]@antycleax: you're clearly not smart enough to know if it's glitched or not because it is glitched, and realising that it is glitched is not as a result of jealousy, it's as a result of observation. unrelated, but i shouldn't need to point out that not everyone wants to abuse glitches, many of us actually enjoy playing the game legitimately. shocking really, given the state of the game nowadays.
once again: yes, it is undoubtably a glitch, yes, it will be fixed, no, not everyone who cannot abuse it is jealous. is that clear enough?[/quote]
If i were you i really wouldn't waste my time trying to bring across a logical argument specially here on basil because the only replies you'll get are insults without any proper justification on their part. I think most people with a decent common sense knows that it is a bug/glitch and isn't intended for game play.. I mean who really in their right mind wants to see CRA bosses solo'd in 3 minutes, how boring do they really want to make this game... It's just the people who got stronger with the glitches that are complaining because they don't want to put in the effort nor time to build themselves up gradually. It's a shame people like you who actually have a good understanding of how the game should be are actually walking away from maple as you're being replaced by complete idiotic children who haven't been around long enough to understand any of the games mechanics.
Even if it is a glitch, whenever I use it, my mana drains so freaking fast. Maybe the skill as a whole just got faster in general. Its all relative.
Who knows if its a glitch. If it is, that sucks. ill miss it. but at the same time this speed thing is relative to the mP cost and is helping the i/l community a ton.
@antycleax: you're clearly not smart enough to know if it's glitched or not because it is glitched, and realising that it is glitched is not as a result of jealousy, it's as a result of observation. unrelated, but i shouldn't need to point out that not everyone wants to abuse glitches, many of us actually enjoy playing the game legitimately. shocking really, given the state of the game nowadays.
once again: yes, it is undoubtably a glitch, yes, it will be fixed, no, not everyone who cannot abuse it is jealous. is that clear enough?
[quote=joblessjim]His "Except there is, and you would know that it's already been stated if you'd read the thread." remark had an edge to it, implying i had not read the thread. I did not appreciate that considering i did read the thread and chose to have a neutral thought process as opposed to taking one persons speculation as truth.
It was rude and not necessary, as well as mis-leading.[/quote]
Tbh that's not the way I interpreted it but his next comment was very hostile so just ignore him.
@Green4EVER is a jerk and he thinks he is better than most of us since he does more damage or has a lot of subscribers.
Just remember outside this game he's nothing.
[quote=antycleax]No one is being hostile towards you. Like you and several others, many of us are in the middle and we are smart enough to know there is no way to determine if it's glitched or not. Only people are being ignorant in this thread if @bleve and @omgitsmazz who think its 100% glitched and are whining from jealousy that they can't abuse the glitch. Anyways it's fine, only time will tell.
@Green4EVER good riddance, you had nothing good to say anyways but bash people in this thread.[/quote]
His "Except there is, and you would know that it's already been stated if you'd read the thread." remark had an edge to it, implying i had not read the thread. I did not appreciate that considering i did read the thread and chose to have a neutral thought process as opposed to taking one persons speculation as truth.
It was rude and not necessary, as well as mis-leading.
[quote=joblessjim]Once more, I'm a neutral observer on this issue, i have no formulated an opinion on if it is or is not a glitch because i prefer to wait for official announcements because i don't take things at face value, Nor do i even care enough about this matter to do so. I only posted because people started acting like little kids.
Everything mazz pointed out could very well be true, in fact it probably is, but to go ahead and say for a fact it is or it is not based on speculation is dumb.
I merely said "hey guys, it might or might not be, there is no 100% way to tell." Your response was that i should read the whole thread because it was already pointed out. I had read the whole thread and was very confused as to why i didn't see it, and the reason i did not was because it was just one dudes speculation. It was not 100% verified just because one person argued in its favor. Therefore my response was warranted and was in good nature to calm everyone down. So it was a very immature move to respond to me the way you did, i do not appreciate that at all.
Everyone is fighting back and forth thus far in such a hostile way and i don't think their evidence warrants the harsh words that have been traded. I just wanted everyone to calm down.[/quote]
No one is being hostile towards you. Like you and several others, many of us are in the middle and we are smart enough to know there is no way to determine if it's glitched or not. Only people are being ignorant in this thread is @Green4EVER and @omgitsmazz who think its 100% glitched and are whining from jealousy that they can't abuse the glitch. Anyways it's fine, only time will tell.
@Green4EVER good riddance, you had nothing good to say anyways but bash people in this thread.
[quote=antycleax]What's wrong with? I just read through the thread and there was no reason to make rude comments like that especially when e was expressing his own opinion.
When I was talking about youtubers being jerks, I specifically meant YOU since I've seen threads where you bash people for no reason. Get a life kid.
CherryTigers- Those 2 videos don't show me anything. The frozen orb and wingbeat is the "old version" in those videos. And more importantly KMST got 330% Gigas wave, 8% Boss damage, and all sorts of buffs GMS never got in v150. Instead GMS kaiser's only got 270% gigas wave which is garbage. And I don't know if wingbeat/frozen orb are glitched or not, but there is no way we would know. Since it's been 3 weeks and it isn't on the "bug list" despite hundreds of jealous whiners complaining, it's becoming more likely it was intended. So until you give me solid evidence, I think my opinion will be in the middle moving towards intended until then.[/quote]
You know what, forget it. I had a few paragraphs written up but you're just not even worth it. I learned my lesson last time I wasted my time arguing with you.
And don't even try to act like I didn't see your post pre-edit.
Regardless, I'm going to be the bigger man here and take my leave. Good bye and good riddance.
inb4 you pull more insults out of your ass, since that's literally all you ever do in every post.
[quote=Green4EVER]Refer to Mazz's posts. Just because an "official announcement" hasn't been made doesn't mean it isn't a glitch.
Cherry basically said the exact same thing as him anyway.[/quote]
Once more, I'm a neutral observer on this issue, i have no formulated an opinion on if it is or is not a glitch because i prefer to wait for official announcements because i don't take things at face value, Nor do i even care enough about this matter to do so. I only posted because people started acting like little kids.
Everything mazz pointed out could very well be true, in fact it probably is, but to go ahead and say for a fact it is or it is not based on speculation is dumb.
I merely said "hey guys, it might or might not be, there is no 100% way to tell." Your response was that i should read the whole thread because it was already pointed out. I had read the whole thread and was very confused as to why i didn't see it, and the reason i did not was because it was just one dudes speculation. It was not 100% verified just because one person argued in its favor. Therefore my response was warranted and was in good nature to calm everyone down. So it was a very immature move to respond to me the way you did, i do not appreciate that at all.
Everyone is fighting back and forth thus far in such a hostile way and i don't think their evidence warrants the harsh words that have been traded. I just wanted everyone to calm down.
Why is everyone so upset over this? This creates competition and competition makes the game more exciting! Lets enjoy this while it lasts, and if some bad seeds may try to ruin it for others then why let those bad seeds get to you? Enjoy the game!
[quote=Green4EVER]Every time you post you just get more and more ignorant. Just stop. Please.[/quote]
What's wrong with? I just read through the thread and there was no reason to make rude comments like that especially when e was expressing his own opinion.
When I was talking about youtubers being jerks, I specifically meant YOU since I've seen threads where you bash people for no reason. Get a life kid.
@CherryTigers- Those 2 videos don't show me anything. The frozen orb and wingbeat is the "old version" in those videos. And more importantly KMST got 330% Gigas wave, 8% Boss damage, and all sorts of buffs GMS never got in v150. Instead GMS kaiser's only got 270% gigas wave which is garbage. And I don't know if wingbeat/frozen orb are glitched or not, but there is no way we would know. Since it's been 3 weeks and it isn't on the "bug list" despite hundreds of jealous whiners complaining, it's becoming more likely it was intended. So until you give me solid evidence, I think my opinion will be in the middle moving towards intended until then.
[quote=joblessjim]I did read the entire thread. And after reading your comment i went ahead and read it again and still did not see any kind of official word on it being a glitch or not. The only official thing i see is from cherry a few posts after i had said what i did, anything anyone else had to say was opinion/speculation. Now maybe i did miss some kind of official thing, if so point out what page it was on please.
And the way you responded comes off sounding a bit edgy, i'd appreciate you not giving me an attitude when i don't deserve one, i'm not on either side of the "it is a glitch/it isn't" war. People began arguing and throwing around insults and i was merely trying to calm that down.[/quote]
Refer to Mazz's posts. Just because an "official announcement" hasn't been made doesn't mean it isn't a glitch.
Cherry basically said the exact same thing as him anyway.
[quote=OmgItsMazz]@antycleax: alright dude, i can appreciate you getting offended that i said kaisers were overpowered (they are though, i'm not going to take it back, just because you're not as powerful as you might think you should be with your stats doesn't change the fact that in terms of numbers, kaisers are strong), but look at all the things that are broken in-game and look at the bug list. final attack has been broken since september last year and is still not on that stupid list, does that mean it's intended? obviously not, it just means nexon are a terrible company and have no idea what they're doing. 3 weeks is nothing, it'll probably take months for it to be acknowledged, but that does not make it any less of a big deal or any less of a bug. it is absolutely not intended functionality regardless of you or anyone else's opinion, whether you feel it should be or not, that does not change the fact that it is broken.
you're telling me to grow up? you've called me out for being arrogant for literally no reason to defend this bug because you personally feel like it should be intended with no regard to any factual evidence proving otherwise. i know exactly what i'm talking about in regards to bugs in this game, i've seen things like this come and go and there's ALWAYS someone like you to defend them. remember the max damage magic attack bug? think that was intended? it's the exact same thing here and it will be fixed sooner or later. there are a multitude of classes that are stronger than DBs and i don't know why you'd bring that up because it is both irrelevant and i don't care.
here's the bug report i've just posted on the nexon forum, i'll be bumping it a few times a week until it is acknowledged and fixed accordingly: http://maplestory.nexon.net/community/#%2Fshowthread.php%3F1222785-SKILL-ISSUE-Wing-Beat-Bat-Swarm-Morning-Star-and-Frozen-Orb-have-no-delay%26p%3D10319087%23post10319087
have fun abusing it while you can, it won't last.[/quote]
You have no idea what you are talking about.
1. Before v150, You can have perfect gear 34% Str on each equipment and you still couldn't cap on a kaiser on Chaos RA bosses. And you may be right I'm probably not as strong as I think, but I look at equipment videos on youtube. Look at Seanx3's equipment video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4wtHrJwBYE), he was nearly capping at bosses while I had better equipments than him (in terms of %boss, %att and %str) and was hitting 6-7mill per line with gigas wave. Our dojo times were 1:30min apart.
2. The Max Magic Attack bug was clearly a bug, there was nothing to argue there so don't even go there. And that glitch got fixed right away within a day.
3. You haven't even funded any of those jobs to even give a proper opinion. Making link skill mules means nothing, go drop 100b into those jobs and you would see how weak they are without these "glitched skills". Oh and if you have the balls to try any of these jobs without these "glitched" skills you are proposing, go for it.
Regardless if it's a glitch or not. All of those jobs were weak which is my point. if it's a glitch, it should be fixed. if it was intended, get over it. I honestly don't care just stop whining and expressing how jealous you are and then bashing how OP those jobs were before when they were really weak as dirt. Only time will tell.
[quote=Green4EVER]Except there is, and you would know that it's already been stated if you'd read the thread.[/quote]
I did read the entire thread. And after reading your comment i went ahead and read it again and still did not see any kind of official word on it being a glitch or not. The only official thing i see is from cherry a few posts after i had said what i did, anything anyone else had to say was opinion/speculation. Now maybe i did miss some kind of official thing, if so point out what page it was on please.
And the way you responded comes off sounding a bit edgy, i'd appreciate you not giving me an attitude when i don't deserve one, i'm not on either side of the "it is a glitch/it isn't" war. People began arguing and throwing around insults and i was merely trying to calm that down.
[quote=OmgItsMazz]@antycleax: yeah.. that goes for literally every single bug in the game. I can think of a number of examples that are significantly more weird than a delay being decreased accidentally. What about when all Final Attack skills were mysteriously given an active animation? You think that was done on purpose too?
The only people defending this bug are those who can abuse it, I think that speaks volumes about the issue at hand too. Enjoy it while it lasts I guess.[/quote] Abuse it? Lol in what way? Do Bowmaster abuse hurricane + arrow blaster? You are a troll.
I don't understand, when I read basil everyone says "glitch." However, the reputable players in game say it is intended and that nexon said in the revamp that a total of 27? Almost all characters got a small revamp in some way. Why wouldn't I/L be one of them? We all know we needed it. This "glitched" (hopefully intended) frozen orb doesn't make us op or anything of the sort. Before the revamped frozen orb we were far far behind most every class in 1v1 dps. Now we're just able to hang and kinda keep up compared to decently tiered dps classes. We by not means became an over powered class because of a faster frozen orb, it only allows us to finally compete.
Some people say glitch, I hold out hopes that these skills were intended to be revamped and the only "glitch" happening is that lag spike that it causes. With that smoothed out everything would be gravy. I certainly hope frozen orb is here to stay, before, thieves with my range were doing almost 10 mins faster than me in dojo. Now I can get a lot closer to their times with the same range. I didn't surpass them or even equal, only came closer, to give everyone an idea of the huge op difference (not actually the case at all). I have mained an I/L for 8.5 years, we not only needed this, we as a class deserved this. *fingers crossed*
@Green4EVER: wao so you're gonna cry to nexon for them to do something they don't care about? Such strong man much power and authority
It is indeed a glitch. Take a look at the up-to-date KMS bossing videos. It'll be returned to normal eventually. (links to videos on the bottom of my comment)
I do understand people's plight for arguing for their own character's self benefits, but I don't think this is the way.
That being said, it'll be patched eventually regardless of Mazz and Bleve reporting it or not so there's no point in this fight. Watch these video links. The skills are "fixed." This is uploaded 2 months ago so just calculate it with another 6 months away to match GMS time. It's fixed so... Even if they didn't report it, it would be fixed regardless. [b]GMS tends to copy + paste everything KMS does so it might just be fixed in a patch later on without any warning.[/b]
Just enjoy it while it lasts. There's no need to report it and there's no need to argue either. It's not gamebreaking anyways so I don't see the need to argue. Just have fun with the skills until they get fixed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSzpP27Jcv4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT1LkhrUJnc
[quote=trollburt]i dont know why you bothered too, thread has nothing to do with you yet you posted with your holier than thou self.
classic mapler establishing confidence he gets from spending ton of money on the game. pretty sad bruh[/quote]
lol okay buddy, go enjoy your glitched skills a little more while you still can. I, too, will be reporting these issues to expedite the patching process.
[quote=Green4EVER]I don't even know why I bothered... I shouldn't have expected anything less from someone with the name "trollburt".
This right here is a prime example of why maplestory is dying. The community is too damn toxic and moronic.[/quote]
i dont know why you bothered too, thread has nothing to do with you yet you posted with your holier than thou self.
classic mapler establishing confidence he gets from spending ton of money on the game. pretty sad bruh
[quote=trollburt]another 15 year old with an ego
typical[/quote]
I don't even know why I bothered... I shouldn't have expected anything less from someone with the name "trollburt".
This right here is a prime example of why maplestory is dying. The community is too damn toxic and moronic.
[quote=Green4EVER]Not sure if serious or just stupid.
I think it's the latter.[/quote]
another 15 year old with an ego
typical
[quote=trollburt]isnt that what they say about you in the f/p forums?
pewpew shots fired
and come at me bruh[/quote]
Not sure if serious or just stupid.
I think it's the latter.
[quote=Green4EVER]Every time you post you just get more and more ignorant. Just stop. Please.[/quote]
isnt that what they say about you in the f/p forums?
pewpew shots fired
and come at me bruh
[quote=trollburt]EXACTLY. Phantom just started becoming fun again for me and these 15 year olds with a "holier than thou" attitude who play waaaay too much want to ruin that for everyone. Can people just play the darn game and if Nexon does something about it, so be it. But in the mean time, I aint feeling these snitches[/quote]
Every time you post you just get more and more ignorant. Just stop. Please.
[quote=joblessjim]I don't play this game for damage or anything like that, nor do i even own a phantom or i/l, but personally i think it looks cool now. It may or may not be a glitch, i can see it being one, and i can also see it being a buff. Unfortunately there is no 100% way to tell if it is or is not. So until there is definite proof for either case it's kind of nonsensical to argue either side of it definitively.[/quote]
EXACTLY. Phantom just started becoming fun again for me and these 15 year olds with a "holier than thou" attitude who play waaaay too much want to ruin that for everyone. Can people just play the darn game and if Nexon does something about it, so be it. But in the mean time, I aint feeling these snitches
[quote=joblessjim]I don't play this game for damage or anything like that, nor do i even own a phantom or i/l, but personally i think it looks cool now. It may or may not be a glitch, i can see it being one, and i can also see it being a buff. Unfortunately there is no 100% way to tell if it is or is not. So until there is definite proof for either case it's kind of nonsensical to argue either side of it definitively.[/quote]
Except there is, and you would know that it's already been stated if you'd read the thread.
I don't play this game for damage or anything like that, nor do i even own a phantom or i/l, but personally i think it looks cool now. It may or may not be a glitch, i can see it being one, and i can also see it being a buff. Unfortunately there is no 100% way to tell if it is or is not. So until there is definite proof for either case it's kind of nonsensical to argue either side of it definitively.
[quote=OmgItsMazz]@trollburt: the fact that you'd consider two paragraphs an entire novel says a lot about your character, i gather you don't read very often
don't be sad, there will be other bugs that you can exploit in the future[/quote]
the fact that you dont know how a hyperbole is utilized says a lot about your schooling
i gather you play too much
@trollburt: the fact that you'd consider two paragraphs an entire novel says a lot about your character, i gather you don't read very often
don't be sad, there will be other bugs that you can exploit in the future
[quote=OmgItsMazz]@trollburt: unsurprisingly the only people who are upset that I'm trying to get a bug fixed are those who can take advantage of it, go figure[/quote]
nah its just the amount of depth and seriousness you put it trying to start a fight with people online. how butthurt can one person get to be motivated to write an entire novel multiple times on a thread.
pls do something with your life
oh and let the butthurt flow through your jimjams while your feeble attempts get unanswered
@trollburt: unsurprisingly the only people who are upset that I'm trying to get a bug fixed are those who can take advantage of it, go figure
[quote=OmgItsMazz]@antycleax: alright dude, i can appreciate you getting offended that i said kaisers were overpowered (they are though, i'm not going to take it back, just because you're not as powerful as you might think you should be with your stats doesn't change the fact that in terms of numbers, kaisers are strong), but look at all the things that are broken in-game and look at the bug list. final attack has been broken since september last year and is still not on that stupid list, does that mean it's intended? obviously not, it just means nexon are a terrible company and have no idea what they're doing. 3 weeks is nothing, it'll probably take months for it to be acknowledged, but that does not make it any less of a big deal or any less of a bug. it is absolutely not intended functionality regardless of you or anyone else's opinion, whether you feel it should be or not, that does not change the fact that it is broken.
you're telling me to grow up? you've called me out for being arrogant for literally no reason to defend this bug because you personally feel like it should be intended with no regard to any factual evidence proving otherwise. i know exactly what i'm talking about in regards to bugs in this game, i've seen things like this come and go and there's ALWAYS someone like you to defend them. remember the max damage magic attack bug? think that was intended? it's the exact same thing here and it will be fixed sooner or later. there are a multitude of classes that are stronger than DBs and i don't know why you'd bring that up because it is both irrelevant and i don't care.
here's the bug report i've just posted on the nexon forum, i'll be bumping it a few times a week until it is acknowledged and fixed accordingly: http://maplestory.nexon.net/community/#%2Fshowthread.php%3F1222785-SKILL-ISSUE-Wing-Beat-Bat-Swarm-Morning-Star-and-Frozen-Orb-have-no-delay%26p%3D10319087%23post10319087
have fun abusing it while you can, it won't last.[/quote]
i can tell by the way you post that you're in fact a toolbag
@antycleax: alright dude, i can appreciate you getting offended that i said kaisers were overpowered (they are though, i'm not going to take it back, just because you're not as powerful as you might think you should be with your stats doesn't change the fact that in terms of numbers, kaisers are strong), but look at all the things that are broken in-game and look at the bug list. final attack has been broken since september last year and is still not on that stupid list, does that mean it's intended? obviously not, it just means nexon are a terrible company and have no idea what they're doing. 3 weeks is nothing, it'll probably take months for it to be acknowledged, but that does not make it any less of a big deal or any less of a bug. it is absolutely not intended functionality regardless of you or anyone else's opinion, whether you feel it should be or not, that does not change the fact that it is broken.
you're telling me to grow up? you've called me out for being arrogant for literally no reason to defend this bug because you personally feel like it should be intended with no regard to any factual evidence proving otherwise. i know exactly what i'm talking about in regards to bugs in this game, i've seen things like this come and go and there's ALWAYS someone like you to defend them. remember the max damage magic attack bug? think that was intended? it's the exact same thing here and it will be fixed sooner or later. there are a multitude of classes that are stronger than DBs and i don't know why you'd bring that up because it is both irrelevant and i don't care.
here's the bug report i've just posted on the nexon forum, i'll be bumping it a few times a week until it is acknowledged and fixed accordingly: http://maplestory.nexon.net/community/#%2Fshowthread.php%3F1222785-SKILL-ISSUE-Wing-Beat-Bat-Swarm-Morning-Star-and-Frozen-Orb-have-no-delay%26p%3D10319087%23post10319087
have fun abusing it while you can, it won't last.
[quote=OmgItsMazz]@SheepPB: no, it is definitely a glitch, wing beat outdamaging literally every other attacking skill kaiser has cannot be justified as 'bringing them back to the top', that's absurd. no other versions of maplestory have these skills functioning as they do. i genuinely cannot understand why people think this might be intended functionality...[/quote]
There is no way to tell if it's a glitch AND [b]It's not even on the "bug list"[/b] despite 3 weeks and MANY people reporting this including myself.
More importantly It seams you have something against kaiser since you aren't complaining how OP phantoms are. The real issue out of these skills is how badly phantom's became OP. If you tried both skills, you would have noticed duration of Frozen Orb >>> Kaiser's Wing beat. Just stop whining and get over there are jobs stronger than DBs. Even if it's a glitch w/e, everyone is abusing it even the "big" youtubers, so grow up.
@SheepPB- Just ignore Mazz, he has no idea what he's talking.
[quote=OmgItsMazz]@SheepPB: no, it is definitely a glitch, wing beat outdamaging literally every other attacking skill kaiser has cannot be justified as 'bringing them back to the top', that's absurd. no other versions of maplestory have these skills functioning as they do. i genuinely cannot understand why people think this might be intended functionality...[/quote]
Well, you are right on that part. However, is it really all that bad for Kaisers and Luminous to have them? I can understand the I/L part because that + Phantoms = Pretty strong. (I personally don't like the delay so I don't bother with it) I think it's a nice balance to the classes. c: Just an opinion though.
@SheepPB: no, it is definitely a glitch, wing beat outdamaging literally every other attacking skill kaiser has cannot be justified as 'bringing them back to the top', that's absurd. no other versions of maplestory have these skills functioning as they do. i genuinely cannot understand why people think this might be intended functionality...
[quote=OmgItsMazz]@antycleax: yeah.. that goes for literally every single bug in the game. I can think of a number of examples that are significantly more weird than a delay being decreased accidentally. What about when all Final Attack skills were mysteriously given an active animation? You think that was done on purpose too?
The only people defending this bug are those who can abuse it, I think that speaks volumes about the issue at hand too. Enjoy it while it lasts I guess.[/quote]
I don't abuse it nor do I think it is a glitch. The only reason for this thinking is that there is a large enough delay for casting the ice orb (or whatever it is called) for it to compensate the massive amount of hits. (Or at least in dojo at least) Similarly, the topic of the Wing Beat "glitch". I think it was to put them back on par in terms of DPS and focus more on bossing. Ice/Lightning mage were not really considered bossing, but rather just someone to tag along for their Frost breathe (I don't know the skill name) as a bind. Kaisers.... It brought them back up? It made Beat Wing, which used to last awhile, into a move more focused on a single monster. Not really sure on that front. Also for Luminous, same reason that applied to I/L for Luminous in terms of bossing.
Though, I'm not saying it isn't completely a glitch. It could possibly be one. I just don't think that it is a glitch, nor do I want to look at it that way. I guess you are right in the wishful thinking part! c:
[quote=OmgItsMazz]Lost all respect for the person pointing out that the glitch you're abusing is in fact a glitch? Okay bro. To be honest I don't want people like you watching my videos anyway.[/quote]
Read my comment again carefully. I got pissed off at you for calling Kaiser's OP before this v150 NOT because of the glitch.
I don't care less about the glitch. If you bothered reading my comment, you would have known.
[quote=antycleax]LOL kaiser's the strongest in the community? Haha, doing 6m x11 with gigas wave despite having 2mill range (17-34% str gear on every equip, 340%boss, 50%+ attack) seams very strong, right? Your comment just shows how in jealous, naive and stupid you are. Oh and go ahead report it, you must be a genius thinking you're the first one trying to report it. I reported it myself since it causes me to dc but the GM did nothing.
Edit: I just realized you're Mazz. Lost all respect for you buddy. I didn't expect such a comment from someone like you but it's alright. Go do yourself a favour, a make a kaiser, i/l or luminous and hitting caps with it. And you'll realize how stupid you are for making such a dumb comment. Oh and you just lost a subscriber.[/quote]
Lost all respect for the person pointing out that the glitch you're abusing is in fact a glitch? Okay bro. To be honest I don't want people like you watching my videos anyway.
[quote=OmgItsMazz]@antycleax: Weakest in the community? Kaiser is one of the strongest classes in the game. I/L and Luminous are two of the best bossing classes. Demon Avenger sucks though, I'll give you that.
Haha, I'm going to report it on the Nexon forums now. Have fun with it while it lasts.[/quote]
LOL kaiser's the strongest in the community? Haha, doing 6m x11 with gigas wave despite having 2mill range (17-34% str gear on every equip, 340%boss, 50%+ attack) seams very strong, right? Your comment just shows how in jealous, naive and stupid you are. Oh and go ahead report it, you must be a genius thinking you're the first one trying to report it. I reported it myself since it causes me to dc but the GM did nothing. I could care less for the glitch anyways
Edit: I just realized you're Mazz. Lost all respect for you buddy. I didn't expect such a comment from someone like you but it's alright. Go do yourself a favour, a make a kaiser, i/l or luminous and hitting caps with it. And you'll realize how stupid you are for making such a dumb comment. Oh and you just lost a subscriber.
@antycleax: Weakest in the community? Kaiser is one of the strongest classes in the game. I/L and Luminous are two of the best bossing classes. Demon Avenger sucks though, I'll give you that.
Haha, I'm going to report it on the Nexon forums now. Have fun with it while it lasts.
@OmgItsMazz: That may be true but funny how the bug applied to only a certain skills to the jobs that were the weakest in the community. Funny how after these skills get "bugged" people with OP jobs start complaining.
@Smileyferret: That has nothing to do with the skills delay.