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@Pliskin: Oh i'm not slating NW tbh, i've tested both of them and NW is great fun, i was genuinely surprised that i beat him and we spoke about the game mechanics being different etc. I still prefer NLs being slightly more versatile though, and the extra 30%, 15% at bosses is pretty helpful in the grand scheme of things.

The bats are so satisfying when they hit <3

@Pliskin: Righht but then you'd be timing the boss spawn and qui tuple throw has such a fast animation its going to be hard to time it correctly.

@WindowLegs: at least a year. unless they get revamped, then you want to wait another 6 months. xD

@saipanda: =(. how long must i wait to play these classes then?

[quote=WindowLegs]how is trying out the newly revamped class bandwagoning?[/quote]

the same way that playing a newly released class is bandwagonning. xD

@Pliskin: Yeah, hitting during eyes will be enough for me to solo Hard. Not hitting during gem will be a bummer for Hell if I ever decide to go with friends, though.

@xlxlxlxl: im not sure about the gem, it died too fast qq

@Pliskin: Hits them at eyes and gem as well?

@xlxlxlxl: ya it clears mobs in gollux, i tried hard mode on my nw

[quote=Pliskin]i think its cause at this point, most of us nws r trying to get a hang of the class
they have a lot of mechanics that we can use to do better, just dont know how yet O__e[/quote]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhvc2Z1ymT8
If you're talking about the jump casting quirk (see video), you need to do a jump cast in midair. As in press jump and quintuple throw at the same time repeatedly to do this. I believe it has something to to with being able to attack during NW's special flash jump.

http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=50829&p=1270164&viewfull=1#post1270164
JoeTang did some extensive testing for the attack delays. It isn't nearly as difficult to do (for me) as he described. Jump and QThrow are on my "D" and "F" keys, respectively, so that makes it more natural, I guess. You could always use a macro, though.

Anywho, NW completely destroys NL with this. Anyone know if NW's bats can clear mobs at Gollux? That might be NL's only bossing niche left.

[quote=KyleHeII007] A large portion of the thief community has banwaggoned over to them[/quote]

how is trying out the newly revamped class bandwagoning?

@Pliskin
That's what I do in dojo

@Hydraxide: i noticed in kms, people would use quintiple throw ahead of time that way the shadower partner would already have attacked meaning they wouldn't need to attack then go up in the portal they could just attack early and go up instantly

if that makes any sense~

Night Walker has been extremely fun. Before the maintenance I managed to hit level 66. I'm really happy with what Nexon did with the class. Loving all the skills and the mobbing attack at 3rd job reminds me of Avenger, like pre-BB hermits

@Expressnless @Pliskin It actually has nothing to do with skills, the way Nexon designed the NW shadow partner makes its attacks delayed, and it loses a lot of time in those mid tier boss rounds to the NL because NL shadow partner doesn't have a delay. Over a sustained period of time, though, the NW will catch up.

TL;DR: Short times: NL wins
Long times: NW wins

I will say they are pretty interesting and fun but kind of felt like pre-bb nl with avenger <3
but when people said their mobbing sucks, it's because it is kind of true. Yes bats yeah
yeah I know, but 2nd job procs bat slowly , 3rd job is slightly better but you get your first
mobbing skill which is awesome till you compare it to another class. Then 4th job, your
mobbing gets better by a lot comparatively but still fairly weak but they are fairly strong
so it makes up for that. One thing i liked was the SP since it was different, all thieves have
pretty much the same sp except them and it looks a lot more better. All in all getting 130
was painful but not bad. 7/10

decent but get totally boring afterwards. lack of playful skills to troll around on.
Lucky seven vs triple throw, vs Quad vs Avenger vs Quin.... soo much to choose from.
Can't wait to see the first botting NW at SDH, let's all keep our eyes out and our 100mesos for reporting.

They're kinda boring imo, maybe because i havent gone to 4th job yet, but im just not liking the revamp.

idk but sitting at level 126 and doing 500k per hit with quad throw, Idk what to say...

I only wish i was on my other computer right now

They're a truly fun and amazing class. A large portion of the thief community has banwaggoned over to them which im honestly not too worried about. Theyre probably the best bossing class atm. Though they do lack some dps when it comes to things like dojo and comparing them to a NL they have more power and abilities but personally I think showdown is better then having amazing boss/survival capabilities.

[quote=Expressnless]They're decent but i found them not as versatile as my NL + i still trash the NWs at dojo which i found quite surprising... even when our ranges are similar.[/quote]

i think its cause at this point, most of us nws r trying to get a hang of the class
they have a lot of mechanics that we can use to do better, just dont know how yet O__e

Absolutely love them!
Lived up to all my expectations and more.
Never had so much fun playing a class. Sure in the past I was like, oh luminous just came to kms! they look like the type of mage I'd main! and then gms did what gms does best

NW is #1

They're decent but i found them not as versatile as my NL + i still trash the NWs at dojo which i found quite surprising... even when our ranges are similar.

Bossing is top tier, training is wonderful, new shadow partner is beautiful, feather thing hat is cool. All in all a good experience.

OG Night Lords Unite!

i love my night walker <3

The NW is basically Infinitely better than the NL as of this update

how is there bossing? and their survivability, do they use a lot of pots or are the bats still OP?

People that say they are trash mobbers never played nw after revamp.. If u notice.... When u attack THERE ARE BATS THAT ATTACK MONSTERS TOO so if u have high damage from 3rd-4th job u will clean up the map within seconds .... So stop saying nws are bad mobbers >.< the nw avenger might be good at sh if u have high damage and stuff PLUS the dark servant also adds some more mobbing and damage so yeah.. It doesnt add lines but basically another version of u doing exactly what u do with like a half a second delay to everything but its really good so in all NW'S FTW

They are amazing, such fun, much skills. And they actually require skill to maneuver if you use jump reset.

I don't know why people think NW are trash mobbers, but i've been cleaning up the place like no tomorrow.