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[quote=infinteZero]never said were it was i just said it existed XD
that paired with each state has its own laws on matter im pretty sure theirs a active one somewere but that kind stuff needs more research extensive painful research
man i hated that government class and teacher gives project extension just so they can contact teachers state wide to toss some old law books on me...

i to was once like you then that teacher got me let this serve as a warning teachers are evil
any way i think it was in a state laws book of 19? something ... just got a chill up spine thinking about it that old book smell.... (dont recall what book)

fact is until government amends? (i think that was it) changes or actively removes law... laws are still active its kinda frighting how many of them were not voted out and were still active some could possibly let people get away with murder due to how they are set up[/quote]

No, see, it's a federal law, and by the Supremacy Clause, the States have to follow it.

Once again, it is perfectly legal for a minor to smoke cigarettes in the United States of America.

@Ness: never said were it was i just said it existed XD
that paired with each state has its own laws on matter im pretty sure theirs a active one somewere but that kind stuff needs more research extensive painful research
man i hated that government class and teacher gives project extension just so they can contact teachers state wide to toss some old law books on me...

i to was once like you then that teacher got me let this serve as a warning teachers are evil
any way i think it was in a state laws book of 19? something ... just got a chill up spine thinking about it that old book smell.... (dont recall what book)

fact is until government amends? (i think that was it) changes or actively removes law... laws are still active its kinda frighting how many of them were not voted out and were still active some could possibly let people get away with murder due to how they are set up

[quote=infinteZero]you need to brush up on your law most places its illegal to allow a minor to smoke[/quote]

This is false.

In the United States, there exists no law prohibiting minors from smoking. There only exist laws that prevent minors from purchasing them.

Please brush up on your minor legalities and try again.

@betaboi101: you need to brush up on your law most places its illegal to allow a minor to smoke

its like buckle up its the law even tho its law it tends to have next to no support enforcement by officers
theirs actually alot of active still in effect laws that are interesting and sometimes not enforced

a fine example: and two of my fav is in some place in united states if you put up a keep of grass sign and you get physical evidence of person on grass you can get them thrown in jail for 10days along with a nice fine depending how far in yard on grass they were

and if you put up no loitering signs up and get physical evidence of person on public sidewalk in fount of said no loitering property for longer then 1 min if home 5 if store,ect
you can have said person locked up for 5days paired with a fine

its like stuff were a normal person can hold a person under citizens arrest for up to 24hours its just not done anymore but people can still do it if they have evidence to do so

@infinteZero:

Actually they can smoke them. A store is not allowed to sell a minor them but if the minor gets possession of them, nothing can legally be done.

@betaboi101: errm... legally they cant buy or smoke them... just one thos laws thats less enforced due to req officer to stop them and ask for id and you cant judge a book by its cover theirs people out their in their 20s that look like their 15ish then theirs people who are 15ish and look like their in their 20s

keep trying tho

@infinteZero:

That's the legal aspect of it. Legally a minor cannot buy cigarettes but if they smoke its legally acceptable. Laws are sometimes outdated and renewed for a more realistic perspective when big cases surface.

With everything being virtual now a days and the hype of the internet/ online applications, a lot of legal stipulations in regards to online transactions and laws are consistantly being addressed.

Certain forms of gambling are perfectly legal as they satisfy a certain aspect of the law. Nevertheless, gambling is still gambling if the three elements are involved. Someone that excessively and helplessly throws money at nexon for jackpot prizes are just as ill minded with a compulsive gambling disorder as someone that plays online poker.

@betaboi101: but my main point here is the fact nexon you 100% get something (aside from scrolling scrolls)

and according to most laws "gambling is betting money"
in some more extreme areas tho they are few but their laws state "gambling is games of chance were one spends money their is a high chance of winning nothing"

their is no areas of world were games of chance with 100% chance to win something is considered gambling tho...

claw machines = gambling and target kids

with logic your putting out since no physical item
then any form of dlc or digital game that you have no physical copy is also wrong and should be not allowed...
(shouldn't prolly be playing maple as you have no physical copy of game XD)

pixels them selfs do have value... tho due to people valuing them...
their is no amount of argument you can put up to make it legit just stuff made by lazy people who want a fast way without pay to win

with that said can we get back on topic i say their worth it not for main item but rare scroll possiblitys paired with main item you can get

[quote=Ness]Does that mean that real life gachapon machines in Japan are gambling machines.[/quote]

If they have consideration, chance, and prize involved. I mean technically those toy machines at super markets and buying card packs of any type of trading card game is a form of gambling

[quote=betaboi101]If you read the gambling addiction article a person has a gambling problem if s/he can't admit it despite their being monetary proof saying otherwise. Compulsive gamblers suffer from making excuses and are in denile. Not everyone that buys nx is a compulsive gambler. One who buys nx excessively however and intends on getting something that they know is at an exceedingly low probability yet frivilously throw molney at the game until they get what they want may just have a gambling addiction.

Don't kid yourself, spending money on a slim chance for anything is a form of gambling. Playing the stock market is gambling. Buying the lotto though cheap is gambling. Betting on fantasy leagues is gambling. Spending money for a less than 1% chance of a no boom or good cube result to pass is gambling. Spending money on marvel until you get something good is gambling. Gambling does not necessarily mean that you don't get a prize and lose. If you spend money and expect to get something at a low rate and don't get what you paid for, you gambled even if you get something else.

[i]Gambling is the wagering of money or something of material value (referred to as "the stakes&quot on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning additional money and/or material goods. Gambling thus requires three elements be present: consideration, chance and prize. (quoting wikipedia, my professors would cringe </3)[/i]

As you can see from the wikipedia definition of gambling, nothing is mentioned about being empty handed. If an event has all three elements of gambling, you gambled. With philo books, if you do them for a lgr you considered that you may not win, took the chance anyway, and anticipate to get that specific prize. That would therefore be considered gambling whether you win and get the prize you wanted or you "lose" and do not get what you intended on getting.[/quote]

Does that mean that real life gachapon machines in Japan are gambling machines.

[quote=infinteZero]@betaboi101: most people who even consider talking about games being gambling or pay to win

are thos kids/adults who play the games and are to lazy to train/gain items cheap way and are to cheap to toss nx at the game
saying the pixals have no value is untrue... even tho in nexon point of view it would end up braking rules so i dont advise doing it..

anything and everything in this worlds value is based on said person
to one person that old ripped shirt could mean the world to them while to another it could be viewed as trash

main point here is if some wants it... it gains value ... the more that want it the more value it gains....
if its used to possible gain said items thos items also gain value...

money is just metal/paper/ink and most of its made with commonly gained materials
in the old days it used to be trade for said item: one would have find something another wanted and value would depend on what the person who had the item you wanted wanted meaning if i had a fish stand and a farmer who wants fish and has chickens to trade i could charge him 5+ chickens for one fish

but yeah mostly lazy/cheap gamers who go gambling/p2w argument on games so thos articals mean nothing and more less joke when you think about it

every day family's go to carnivals amusement parks spend 1000$ on games of chance(pretty much gambling) for items that are not worth how much it takes to win them
some get lucky others spend lots and ""leave empty handed""...

so before attacking games even if pixels...that give 100% chance to win something
they should take out the ones that target 3+ year olds that have a high chance to not win
i mean come on claw machines are... everywhere stores... food places... everywhere

edit: wow i made alot typos XD oh well[/quote]

If you read the gambling addiction article a person has a gambling problem if s/he can't admit it despite their being monetary proof saying otherwise. Compulsive gamblers suffer from making excuses and are in denile. Not everyone that buys nx is a compulsive gambler. One who buys nx excessively however and intends on getting something that they know is at an exceedingly low probability yet frivilously throw molney at the game until they get what they want may just have a gambling addiction.

Don't kid yourself, spending money on a slim chance for anything is a form of gambling. Playing the stock market is gambling. Buying the lotto though cheap is gambling. Betting on fantasy leagues is gambling. Spending money for a less than 1% chance of a no boom or good cube result to pass is gambling. Spending money on marvel until you get something good is gambling. Gambling does not necessarily mean that you don't get a prize and lose. If you spend money and expect to get something at a low rate and don't get what you paid for, you gambled even if you get something else.

[i]Gambling is the wagering of money or something of material value (referred to as "the stakes&quot on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning additional money and/or material goods. Gambling thus requires three elements be present: consideration, chance and prize. (quoting wikipedia, my professors would cringe </3)[/i]

As you can see from the wikipedia definition of gambling, nothing is mentioned about being empty handed. If an event has all three elements of gambling, you gambled. With philo books, if you do them for a lgr you considered that you may not win, took the chance anyway, and anticipate to get that specific prize. That would therefore be considered gambling whether you win and get the prize you wanted or you "lose" and do not get what you intended on getting.

@betaboi101: most people who even consider talking about games being gambling or pay to win

are thos kids/adults who play the games and are to lazy to train/gain items cheap way and are to cheap to toss nx at the game
saying the pixals have no value is untrue... even tho in nexon point of view it would end up braking rules so i dont advise doing it..

anything and everything in this worlds value is based on said person
to one person that old ripped shirt could mean the world to them while to another it could be viewed as trash

main point here is if some wants it... it gains value ... the more that want it the more value it gains....
if its used to possible gain said items thos items also gain value...

money is just metal/paper/ink and most of its made with commonly gained materials
in the old days it used to be trade for said item: one would have find something another wanted and value would depend on what the person who had the item you wanted wanted meaning if i had a fish stand and a farmer who wants fish and has chickens to trade i could charge him 5+ chickens for one fish

but yeah mostly lazy/cheap gamers who go gambling/p2w argument on games so thos articals mean nothing and more less joke when you think about it

every day family's go to carnivals amusement parks spend 1000$ on games of chance(pretty much gambling) for items that are not worth how much it takes to win them
some get lucky others spend lots and ""leave empty handed""...

so before attacking games even if pixels...that give 100% chance to win something
they should take out the ones that target 3+ year olds that have a high chance to not win
i mean come on claw machines are... everywhere stores... food places... everywhere

edit: wow i made alot typos XD oh well

[quote=infinteZero]equips are mah but every 11 i did i got at least one no boom AEE
(33 books opened)

its all luck tho but pretty easy to get 1 no boom AEE
paired with other pain to find and or get scrolls like icog/clean slate no boom 20%/both tradeable and not tradeable M. chaos scrols/ tons of a rank nebs easy sells for 200~700m depending on world/ rare hair coupons

say its some what worth it

@betaboi101: its not gambling high% items in it are rare hard to get on their own...and one always wins for it to be gambling one would need high chance to lose
and in game price wise people make mistake of saying low value items are a lose but nexon doesnt control prices of items its players
if anything protection scrolls are gambling.... this is more like a 25cent~1$ machine were you put money in for random 100% chance prize

people should go after thos claw machines games before going after nexon about gambling or carnival games i mean who has tryed or wanted at one point to play a claw machine? only to have it take 1~5$ + with out winning prize or winning a 1~10$ prize after spending like 25$+ to win (thing about thos game that make them gambling is you have a chance to not win anything)[/quote]

http://mmofallout.com/nexon-hanbitsoft-ncsoft-block-korean-probe-into-gambling/

This article says otherwise..

http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/09/22/nexon-ncsoft-refuse-to-fully-cooperate-with-south-korean-mmo-ga/

This one as well

http://www.helpguide.org/articles/addiction/gambling-addiction-and-problem-gambling.htm
http://www.everythingaddiction.com/addiction/gambling/10-common-lies-compulsive-gamblers-tell/

equips are mah but every 11 i did i got at least one no boom AEE
(33 books opened)

its all luck tho but pretty easy to get 1 no boom AEE
paired with other pain to find and or get scrolls like icog/clean slate no boom 20%/both tradeable and not tradeable M. chaos scrols/ tons of a rank nebs easy sells for 200~700m depending on world/ rare hair coupons

say its some what worth it

@betaboi101: its not gambling high% items in it are rare hard to get on their own...and one always wins for it to be gambling one would need high chance to lose
and in game price wise people make mistake of saying low value items are a lose but nexon doesnt control prices of items its players
if anything protection scrolls are gambling.... this is more like a 25cent~1$ machine were you put money in for random 100% chance prize

people should go after thos claw machines games before going after nexon about gambling or carnival games i mean who has tryed or wanted at one point to play a claw machine? only to have it take 1~5$ + with out winning prize or winning a 1~10$ prize after spending like 25$+ to win (thing about thos game that make them gambling is you have a chance to not win anything)

Gambling for virtual items is never worth it since you win nothing when you hit the jackpot. If funding is your incentive, there are more surefire ways to convert $ into mesos

I would suggest against it because you get revolution equips like 70% of the time.

unless you want a potato flying around your room
nah dont do it