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@ashleyattacked: I think you clicked reply to the wrong name. I never said anything about which was better. Just a funny happenstance of how a random Red Cube tiers up my item after 30 Black Cubes could not. Was a very interesting read tho. =)

[quote=imaclubyou]Even tho I'm a black cube supporter there were times when I used an 11 pack had leftovers for a red, and tiered up from that red cube with no tier up from the black cubes.[/quote]

I'm sure theres more to it than I can account for in my limited experience, no matter how long and often I've recorded each cube...but whatever.

My sentiment isn't to make a definitive claim about what is what, etc. Hence why I'm being so cautious to specify that these are my thoughts and my opinions...while stressing that I'm not comfortable telling anyone else what they should or shouldn't do with so much riding on it. That's why I'm specifically holding back my actual data and the actual numbers I've come up with since it's still all well within reason that, even if I'm reading my experiences right...those experiences are still numerically limited insofar as the entire extent of all cube sales is concerned.

But I do feel very comfortable with saying [B]even if ppl are right and the Black Cubes are real winners - it's still not even close to being worth the markup in price, especially when you attempt to account for the number of leftover cubes, what could be done with them, etc...when it's all considered...because every choice has huge ramifications on everything else, you can't take it all simply at face value because you're missing the remaining 9/10's of whats actually going on.[/B]meh. Just buy Red Cubes till you get 15% primary stat...then don't ever touch that item again with anything that will reroll it and set you back at crap again.

And I'm qualifying all of this, obviously, by making it clear that I'm only speaking to people for whom NX is very hard to come by. There are plenty of rich or at least well off individuals out there for whom this sort of nonsense is irrelevant as, to them, the bigger burden is the stress of doing it perfect like I'm saying...compared to the ease of just spending money and having it done quick, in one go and without complicated reasoning. Nothing wrong with that at all.

Even tho I'm a black cube supporter there were times when I used an 11 pack had leftovers for a red, and tiered up from that red cube with no tier up from the black cubes.

[quote=mrsindeath19]Personal Experience. I've always gotten more tier-ups from black than red. They are worth it for tiering up, and also worth it if you're currently using your equip (as you can pick the best slot for the moment). Once you get to leg, if you want a perfect weapon, you're not going to stop at anything other than a "perfect" level potential, therefore keeping the potential doesn't matter, so red cubes all the way (Until Violet become available again).[/quote]

And personally, through experiences with literally hundreds of each type of cube - I've had more success tiering up with red cubes, meister cubes and even mastercraftsman cubes as far as unique tier goes. Black Cubes aren't that far off...but the difference [B]in my experience[/B] is far and away not even close to worth the markup in price. I have nearly a years worth of records proving that beyond any shadow of a doubt in my mind.

Personal Experience. I've always gotten more tier-ups from black than red. They are worth it for tiering up, and also worth it if you're currently using your equip (as you can pick the best slot for the moment). Once you get to leg, if you want a perfect weapon, you're not going to stop at anything other than a "perfect" level potential, therefore keeping the potential doesn't matter, so red cubes all the way (Until Violet become available again).

This is from personal experience. I used a pack of blacks. I got no tier up. I then got a pack of red and gotten 2 tier ups. Both from epic to unique. Withing this month, ive only gotten tier ups from reds and even meister cube. I got my ring from epic to unique in 3 meister cubes.(tried to push my luck further with 5 meisters and got trash). Its all about the luck. The cubes gives a small percentage. Just gotta hit that percentage and you got yourself a tier up.

[quote=jrealdeal]Its all about luck sadly. I use about 30 Black Cubes trying to tier up my weapon to Legendary with no luck on that. But had enough reward points for 1 Red Cube and it bumped to Legendary. It just random chance.[/quote]
Not really. //end

Below is a dry recitation and half rant explaining how much more complicated this all is than you would think...and how truthful/accurate Nexon's promises and item descriptions actually are...and how and why it's not just my opinion but actually something that I feel totally comfortable not only trusting my own judgement...but also ignoring the strongly worded claims of Nexon itself. [B] don't bother reading it if you don't care. It's boring, more or less speculative, more or less factual, and overall just dull, dry and boring. I just felt like explaining my approach and some of the ways its impacted my goals and how/when/and at what pace to go after them[/B]

I have an inordinately difficult time acquiring nx since I don't have a job and there's no way my mother would let me spend rl money of that magnitude on this game. So basically every bit of nx I ever get took copious amounts of both hours and energy just to get. Since thats the case...I kinda tried my best to figure out the most cost effective way to go about using any nx I can manage to collect...as carefully as possible.

The difference between Red Cubes and Black Cubes is massive to me...and because of that I have literally documented every single cube I've used, as well as recording the results some of my closer friends get from cubes they use. Basically I record the cube used, the item it was used on, all related information about that item (lvl, job specifications, etc), I record the initial stats as well as the resulting stats as well as applying my own personal/subjective method of analyzing the degree of success/failure of that specific cube on that specific item. I've actually recorded nearly every cube I've used personally since december of last year (2014)

Taking all of that...I've spent hours collating it, putting it into excel and just trying my best to find any sort of trend. Not just obvious trends but literally any trend that seems to be relatively uniformly different than the statistical variation would otherwise imply.

Yeah, it's tedious and a time sink...but I actually really love doing it and it helps me figure out the most strategic path to take wrt all of my various goals, whether they're whims, big or small, or goals, big or small, on and on and on...so that I can reasonably feel comfortable at any given time with what I should and shouldn't do. For example...say I've deduced that the most cost effective, relative to any potential boost in range, is to cube my glove. The moment I use a cube the entire dataset could have changed entirely and I have to reconsider it on as many levels as I can find that are meaningful in some form. The outcome could have a huge impact on the next step I should strategically be taking.

What I'm getting at is that this puts me in a difficult position. Since the difference between both types of cubes is massive...and that's only further complicated by the difference between 1 cube vs a pack of cubes, as well as any sale that there may or may not be at that moment....so I need to know not only which type of cube I want to buy...I need to figure out how many of it to buy. To that end I need, like I said, to know every relevant variable and how it all works together and impacts itself, etc.

Hence why I document and record every single cube I use...as well as my friends that are willing to help me out, lol...etc.

To finally tie this rant back on track -- no, you're wrong. Black cubes are not nearly the boost they're made out to be...and that's only further dampened by the cost involved.

Unless you have a specific set of lines in the Regular Potential of whatever item you're considering working with...and you really want to hold on to those unless you know you will get a sought after stat boost...then, based on the stats I've recorded personally, there is [B]no[/B] reason to invest in black cubes. The slight increase in tier up chances, which I can verify is actually borne out in the data, is just not worth the increase in price. Now, again...this is all based on my own data...and I'm not comfortable in telling anyone else what to do or how to do it with any specificity, [B]but[/B] I personally would never take that risk.

After recording all this crap for almost a full year now....I've come to some very confident decisions about what to do and what not to do...and in general the biggest generalization that I've figured out for myself is that Nexon's claims seems iffy in the best of times...and fairly often they seem like straight up lies. This goes for the so called miracle and fever time events (scrolls being the subject in the latter)...more than any so called boost, event or any mixture of the two - the path most likely to work out for you is to ignore the events as saving up for them will necessarily screw up timing with sales...as well as holding you behind when the event actually does come (for example: there are so many ways to get cubes to slowly and constantly toss on various items. Free cubes, cheap cubes, cubes you find out of luck, maybe get from a friend who has 1-2 left over, etc...but avoiding this sort of low grade busy work so that you can wait for an event so that you can save money...when you consider the pros and cons of where you are, where you could be, and where each of those points would put you strategically as relevant to the cubes and the event itself -- it's just not worth it to try to be 'patient' and wait for an event.)

[B] TL ; DR --> If my starting lines didn't motivate you to read it, then don't bother. I spelled it out as much to organize my thoughts better in my head as I did for the random 0.02% of people who will read it without complaining that it 'doesn't belong here' since it took them longer to read the first paragraph than it took me to type the whole mess. It's crap I personally find really useful in how I approach gearing my characters...but it's crap I can't exactly say without some degree of justification and explanation -- which necessarily runs longer than 2-3 concise sentences. Meow.[/B]

Its all about luck sadly. I use about 30 Black Cubes trying to tier up my weapon to Legendary with no luck on that. But had enough reward points for 1 Red Cube and it bumped to Legendary. It just random chance.

If you're not concerned about losing the current lines you have on the item should all else fail - then pick reds.

Black cubes are only worth it in my experience when you want to perfect some lines...but still be able to save face if none of the cubes work out. That way you can just click the option to stick with the starting potentials...and at least break relatively even as far as your range itself is concerned.

Black cube master race. It offers insurance, higher tier up chance, and is cheaper if you really think about it.

Probably a slight edge. You are better off using red cubes unless you have a potential that you fancy and do not want to lose but need it to tier up.

Here we go again. It is ALL LUCK. This question has been asked a bazillion time.
Black for tier up.. Red for Stats. Or just go all Red you might be LUCKY to tier up.
Personally I go with Reds. WHY? WHY WHY? Because it has more amount.

Nexon confirmed blacks are better than red.
But they never officialy stated the rates, or HOW MUCH better.