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Keep or Cube? Dkhanjar Edition

Hello fellow thieves! I come to you all today with the question on whether I should keep the current pot on my dkhanjar, or cube it for something else.

Here is the dkhanjar right yonder: http://gyazo.com/0ce4432b3224623cfd9964c8edca035c
Currently my % boss (not including dojo gloves) is 219% and my PDR is 81%.

My range right now is 1.3-1.5 and I'm unsure whether I should keep the % boss, or get % att and put % boss nebs (sacrificing the current 15% PDR) on it instead. I also have 4 equips that have crap pot and are mostly clean. (ra hat and bottom, gollux earrings, and 2nd gollux pendant)
Sorry for making another one of these threads, but I feel that the insight you all give me is generally the right decision for me to take.
Thanks for the help fam

bonus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw57CRiTxzw

EDIT: I'm a living failure and put both options as cube. Shameka is the keep option.

July 15, 2015

17 Comments • Newest first

whiteforce18

In regards to cubing, I would say definitely keep the current potentials (they are fine as is!) and work on the emblem (as @Klytta: said) and then start working on other gears (like your armor for % luk) to make your range jump dramatically. Going overboard on 1 or 2 items will end up not getting you the highest range if everything else you equipped sucks.

Reply July 17, 2015
Pube

@Klytta: Okay, thanks I never doubted you, it's just the whole multiplicative process of calculating PDR confused me, but luckily I understand now. Thanks for the help!

Reply July 16, 2015
Klytta

@Pube: pdr doesn't work like % boss. As I said before it's not broken. PDR works like this. Say you have 80% pdr (shown in your stat window) and you get (add) a single line (single line is key) of 50%pdr. Your PDR would then go from 80% to 90%. Because the 50% is reduced from the remaining 20% you lack. 20 x .5 = 10% PDR gained. Everything I told you still is correct. You need another large %PDR line. As you should get rid of the 15% pdr neb and get an A neb for %PDR. 15% is not nearly as good as 27% (I believe that's the A neb amount).

Reply July 16, 2015
iEvanMaster

@Pube: You cannot achieve 100% %PDR since it's calculated multiplicatively, as you can see.

Just try to aim for 35-40% PDR and 1-2 %Atk lines on Emblem.

Reply July 16, 2015 - edited
Pube

@iEvanMaster: Okay, so will my PDR ultimately cap out at 100% if i add % PDR lines onto my emblem?

Reply July 16, 2015 - edited
iEvanMaster

[quote=Pube]So I just realized that I actually have like 120% PDR, but it's not showing up on my stats tab (where it shows % boss and all that)
I have the superior gollux set, ra set, monster card leafre set, lumi link, bt S rank character card, and a 15% neb on my dkhanjar.

http://gyazo.com/a7e3e03d0d80a621e4271e814457aa17

Like I said before, others have been telling me that there's a bug with the leafre set, but I'm unsure. o.o

Any ideas on why my PDR is so low, when I have a already semi-decent amount?[/quote]

This is how your ignore defense% is calculated.

0.7 (Superior Gollux) * .9 (RA hat) *.9 (RA Weapon) *.95 (RA top) *.95 (RA bottom) *.7 (Leafre Set) *.85 (Lumi Link Skill) *.92 (S Rank BT character card) *.85 (15% nebulite) = 0.252

1-0.252 = 0.747 = 74% Ignore.

0.252 * .8 (Shadower Instinct) = 0.201 1 - 0.201 = 0.798 (80% Ignore)

Sounds about right. That last extra bit of %Ignore is probably from Ambition or something, bringing it to 82%.

Reply July 16, 2015 - edited
Pube

[quote=Klytta]@Pube: Yeah, that would be best for now.[/quote]

So I just realized that I actually have like 120% PDR, but it's not showing up on my stats tab (where it shows % boss and all that)
I have the superior gollux set, ra set, monster card leafre set, lumi link, bt S rank character card, and a 15% neb on my dkhanjar.

http://gyazo.com/a7e3e03d0d80a621e4271e814457aa17

Like I said before, others have been telling me that there's a bug with the leafre set, but I'm unsure. o.o

Any ideas on why my PDR is so low, when I have a already semi-decent amount?

Reply July 15, 2015 - edited
CRUSlFIED

cube, you should atleast get 60% boss, or 3 good lines

Reply July 15, 2015 - edited
Klytta

@Pube: Yeah, that would be best for now.

Reply July 15, 2015 - edited
Pube

[quote=Klytta]@Pube: Leafre set isn't glitched. PDR doesn't work how people that claim it's glitched believe it does. So that's not an issue.

%PDR works like this... most bosses have a unavoidable damage resistance. Some do not. But most do, such as CRA. So this right away reduces your damage to (usually) 50%. Now comes the part where %PDR comes in (going to use Cvellum in this example)

Cvellum has the highest PDR in the game at 300%. What this means is after your 50% (unavoidable reduction) he has another 300% damage reduction. But for this one %PDR can reduce it's total.
-----So say you have 80% PDR. It's simply 300 (original) - 300 x .8 (pdr) = 60% of your damage is still lost. So it would then be you had 50% damage (after the first reduction) now you're losing ----------60% of the remaining 50%. So you now are doing 20% of the damage you would do.

-----Now say you have 90% PDR. 300 - 300 x .9 (new pdr) = 30% of remaining damage is lost. So 50 x .3 = 15% lost. 50 - 15 = 35% remains. In other words by increasing your %PDR from 80% ----------total to 90% total you gained an additional 15% (Pure total) damage gain.

It is for this reason people say you need at least 90% PDR to boss Cvellum. Other bosses have less %PDR. Most are around 200% or so.

A %PDR line on your emblem is a very big deal. But you want to couple it with one (or two if you're hella lucky) % attack line(s). Best combo would be 40% PDR and a line of either 12% or 9% attack. Perfect potential would be 12% attack 30-40% PDR 9% attack. (But you need to be lucky like crazy or spend $$$ like crazy)[/quote]

Okay, I understand now haha. So you think I should keep my dkhanjar's pot and go for cubing my emblem for % PDR and % att instead?

Reply July 15, 2015 - edited
Axnslicer

[quote=Pube]okay, right now my emblem is 9% att and 12% luk. Is PDR really essential? and also does it give a range increase at all? I have the leafre set but apparently it's glitched. I also don't have a zero link skill or bt fully leveled. I dunno if sacrificing the 12% luk and 9% att on the emblem for PDR would be worth it, but would it?[/quote]

Your secondary has 2 boss lines, why are you asking about recubing it when your emblem is merely 1 att line? And your % boss/pdr are far too low considering how good your secondary is.

Reply July 15, 2015 - edited
Klytta

@Pube: Leafre set isn't glitched. PDR doesn't work how people that claim it's glitched believe it does. So that's not an issue.

%PDR works like this... most bosses have a unavoidable damage resistance. Some do not. But most do, such as CRA. So this right away reduces your damage to (usually) 50%. Now comes the part where %PDR comes in (going to use Cvellum in this example)

Cvellum has the highest PDR in the game at 300%. What this means is after your 50% (unavoidable reduction) he has another 300% damage reduction. But for this one %PDR can reduce it's total.
-----So say you have 80% PDR. It's simply 300 (original) - 300 x .8 (pdr) = 60% of your damage is still lost. So it would then be you had 50% damage (after the first reduction) now you're losing ----------60% of the remaining 50%. So you now are doing 20% of the damage you would do.

-----Now say you have 90% PDR. 300 - 300 x .9 (new pdr) = 30% of remaining damage is lost. So 50 x .3 = 15% lost. 50 - 15 = 35% remains. In other words by increasing your %PDR from 80% ----------total to 90% total you gained an additional 15% (Pure total) damage gain.

It is for this reason people say you need at least 90% PDR to boss Cvellum. Other bosses have less %PDR. Most are around 200% or so.

A %PDR line on your emblem is a very big deal. But you want to couple it with one (or two if you're hella lucky) % attack line(s). Best combo would be 40% PDR and a line of either 12% or 9% attack. Perfect potential would be 12% attack 30-40% PDR 9% attack. (But you need to be lucky like crazy or spend $$$ like crazy)

Reply July 15, 2015 - edited
Pube

[quote=Klytta]@Pube 35-40% PDR line on emblem? Leafre set for codex? Zero link skill? Beast tamer rank S or SS character card? All of these are good sources of %PDR. Get them if you don't have them already. 81% seems about right if you don't have a 40% line on your emblem but instead have a 30% line and along with that you're lacking BT character card + zero card.

Edit just realized you have a 15%PDR neb. Try to get an A neb for %PDR and replace it if you can. Or gain a % PDR line on your emblem if you don't have one.[/quote]

okay, right now my emblem is 9% att and 12% luk. Is PDR really essential? and also does it give a range increase at all? I have the leafre set but apparently it's glitched. I also don't have a zero link skill or bt fully leveled. I dunno if sacrificing the 12% luk and 9% att on the emblem for PDR would be worth it, but would it?

Reply July 15, 2015 - edited
Klytta

@Pube 35-40% PDR line on emblem? Leafre set for codex? Zero link skill? Beast tamer rank S or SS character card? All of these are good sources of %PDR. Get them if you don't have them already. 81% seems about right if you don't have a 40% line on your emblem but instead have a 30% line and along with that you're lacking BT character card + zero card.

Edit just realized you have a 15%PDR neb. Try to get an A neb for %PDR and replace it if you can. Or gain a % PDR line on your emblem if you don't have one.

Reply July 15, 2015 - edited
Pube

[quote=stevenman76]

Off topic: That background...
Buucuu96: "and thats how i got my sister pregnant"[/quote]

what idk what you're talking about that's just plain wrong and sick

OT: But I really don't know, I have full ra set, full superior gollux set, and lumi link skill, so i really dont know why my PDR is so low...

Reply July 15, 2015 - edited
stevenman76

I would keep it. 219% boss is pretty average, so I think you're set with %boss.

On a side note, how do you have so little PDR (especially with a %pdr neb)

You should be able to get easy PDR from sup gollux set, RA equips, leafre set, Lumi link, Zero link, and BT card.

Off topic: That background...
Buucuu96: "and thats how i got my sister pregnant"

Reply July 15, 2015 - edited
Klytta

Personally I never settle for under 65%boss alone on a weapon. This means I either get 50-60% boss + another useful line, or I sell it and make a new one, or recube. But that's just my policy.

Reply July 15, 2015 - edited