@k3nny321: i've heard more miracle time horror stories than actual miracles. Violet cubes are still a gamble to get "godly" gear, albeit, with a bigger pool to choose from. People may still drop thousands on these and STILL end up with crap potentials. I honestly don't believe it's going to be as horrible as people think it is...
Ah but whatever. I guess I shouldnt care either way.
[quote=k3nny321]Pls even if its one day, doesn't matter. If people spend thousands on miracle time, you don't think they'll do the same for this sale lol. Either way fm will be flooded with "godly" gear and economy will be even more ruined and the pay2win gap will become even greater[/quote]
Pls even if its one day, doesn't matter. If people spend thousands on miracle time, you don't think they'll do the same for this sale lol. Either way fm will be flooded with "godly" gear and economy will be even more ruined and the pay2win gap will become even greater
[quote=cherrytigers]It would be stupid to ditch MS1. I'm really assuming they know what they're doing, because I most certainly don't.[/quote]
If they aren't trying to drain MS1 dry before ditching it, then I have no idea what the hell they're doing. There are a multitude of reasons for why violet cubes are a bad idea... One of the main ones is that it effectively makes it even easier for people to just buy their way to godly status than it already was. I'm not saying people don't have the right to hit cap damage, but what the hell is the point of making it laughably easy? This is similar in a way to buying an Action Replay to generate max stat Pokemon... sure for a little while it's fun and you can curbstomp the game easily, but pretty soon you'll just get bored because it's too damn easy. So people are going to reach godly status, kill bosses, get bored sooner or later and realize "wow this is a waste of time and money, time to quit" and ditch the game.
Also, there's the fact that one of the reasons people worked so hard to get godly was so that they could kill bosses and sell drops to make back their investment in this game whether it was in time or money. I'm not saying that it should be the case where there's content limited to only a handful of people, but basically handing an ezmode button to everyone just makes everything pointless because boss drops are going to be even more worthless than they already are.
[quote=jetlagjag]Apparently the cubes will only be sold during "special promotions" so they wont always be available in the cash shop. Will this make people stop crying now? Geez.[/quote]
No where in the cash shop updates does it suggest that violet cubes are a temporary addition. It's a special promotion because as a new cs item, its being discounted for 2.5k nx (regular price at 3k nx). People can continue crying. Geez
Apparently the cubes will only be sold during "special promotions" so they wont always be available in the cash shop. Will this make people stop crying now? Geez.
[quote=shangz]Have any of you even checked the price of these cubes? That seems to be the main selling point for everyone who's with this Violet cube.
It's 25k nx for 10 of them.
I'm failing to see how thats incredibly cheap and how you think you're going to cube all your gear and be godly from $50...GET REAL[/quote]
It is incredibly cheap for what they do. Double the price of red cubes for double the lines, and the ability to pick which of those lines to keep is just broken. Like someone in the other thread already calculated, with some assumptions made, that violent cubes have a 12x chance of rolling 3 lines of good stats compared to reds. So you're saying 12x chance for 2x the price is... properly priced?
[quote=assasin474]Lol @ all these rich kids crying. Meanwhile us players who haven't put a cent into the game can enjoy actually being able to afford decent equips now.[/quote]
Have any of you even checked the price of these cubes? That seems to be the main selling point for everyone who's with this Violet cube.
It's 25k nx for 10 of them.
I'm failing to see how thats incredibly cheap and how you think you're going to cube all your gear and be godly from $50...GET REAL
Not sure what the issue is. If it becomes easier to get good potential, that is a good thing is it not? Ofc only the merchants or highly funded players will complain because all their godly gear can be attained much easier. Let godly items flood the market. <3 so that we can all enjoy
[quote=jerry5000]@kiirori ofc its reasonable. because if he doesnt sell it low now for 7b he probably wont sell it for 5b after the releasing of the violet cube. the again this guy may stop cubing gear and sell less profit to nexon. it will always come to an equilibrium point where nobody want those godly gear no more even for 2b if too many ppl using violet cube.[/quote]
wut, i don't even get what you're saying. if anything, what you said makes it worse for people who do spend money on cubes, and better for those who don't.
@streqx no you're right, people should spend $200 on cubing end game gear as opposed to $50. that would make a better maple wouldn't it. curse those players who spend money, they should be drained of all their money because they can solo hmag and i can't.
@kiirori ofc its reasonable. because if he doesnt sell it low now for 7b he probably wont sell it for 5b after the releasing of the violet cube. the again this guy may stop cubing gear and sell less profit to nexon. it will always come to an equilibrium point where nobody want those godly gear no more even for 2b if too many ppl using violet cube.
why are people complaining? this benefits both players who spend money and players who do not spend money. players who spend money won't have to spend as much, and with these cubes, the cost of end game gear will deflate so that f2p players have a better shot at obtaining them.
i bought a 30% dex tat the other day for about 7b, the guy spent 200 dollars making it so he made negative profit, is that reasonable in your opinion?
@femalejesus: tbh i dont really think tehres still so called New Players coming to this game. For those who play ms rn, they either played it back when they were kids and loved this game since then or ppl who played ms b4 and wanting to play it again after hiatus.
apparently old players yields more profit to nexon, for things like huge patch they always losing ppl and they will never come back like red* wiht 50m cap. even if those ppl decide to return they are very unlikey to spend a singe dollar when the economic is highly UNSTABLE.
u dont wanna pay 500$ rn when tmr u only need to pay 10$ for it. it has nothign to do with the cost of making one gear.
its abt the signal, it makes ppl feel unsafe abt their property.
it happens too soon without increasing the cap its unneccesary.
now that this signal has been given from nexon, for those ppl who lareay have eveyrthign done they feel bad abt losing value on thier loved gears, for those who still want to upgrade they r happy for a moment untill one day they see everybody does the same dmg then they will quit eventually. less profit for nexon.
alteranltively they can simply make boss having less hp instead of making cube easier. but they choose not to.
And i doubt u need $500 for a good piece, more like 100$ top for a good item unless u really decided to cube scrollign all by urself without doing a single even or spend time farming.
[quote=jerry5000]TL DR, gaining profit from new players by killing the old ones. #logic [/quote]
sometimes you gotta cut off an arm to stop the bleeding. it hurts right now but this transition is a necessary one to ensure maple has any slither of survival in the upcoming years.
no one wants to pay $500 dollars for a piece of equipment anymore. LoL and many mobile games provide essentially the same entertainment but for 1/10 the price. Everyone is getting sick of the cost and Nexon knows it can't hang on to it's current business model any longer.
you and everyone else saying that the game is over need to chill the eff out. This transition is good and shows that Nexon is trying to do something, even if their approach is utterly misguided. I am kicking myself in the head for spending over $5000 dollars on cubes. Am I momentarily mad? Yes. But I know that it has to be done.
[quote=axnslicer]To be fair, endgame bosses haven't been profitable for a long time. I haven't seen solid profit margins since...a year or two ago. Empress slowly became worthless, then CRA, then Gollux and Tyrants.
Honestly I think it's amusing how people are all like "Nexon screwed over people who bought cubes earlier". They have no perspective.
People perfect scrolled their gear with +5 att scrolls, then +8 scrolls were released, then +9 and +10.
People spent 5+ bil on CRA, then CRA deflation happened a year later and now everyone can buy CRA for a few bil.
People spend millions on NX on Miracle Times, then Nexon implements "a Better Maple" and doubles tier up rates.
The pattern is obvious.[/quote]
Its true that endgame bossed havnt been profitable for a long time.
But for those who can kill the strong boss when they were 1st released (or after a short period of releasing) can always profit enough to cover the cost.
Just like when they gave us 50m cap, ppl who spent a lot getting tyrant/cra from marvel gets a lot money by selling the drop.
Later on, those who soloed cra ealier invested their money into drop gear to further cash out more from cvellum runs even when there are more ppl can kill cra bosses.
Because some ppl always wanted to be ahead of other ppl.
On a side note that gollux is still profitable, if u do 3 hellux run per day(trade wiht other ppl), you should be able to get 1 pendant per week, still good money. Also for hmag, u no longer need be alive to recieve coins. wiht the free tele rock no prequest is needed for hmag either. i leech my 2 mulez in hmag everyweek, easy money.
The majority reason for nexon to release new set and more op att scroll is because of new cap dmg.
they need to adjust the ease of getting cap dmg. im sure you wont be able to do 50mcap dmg with only lv120 weapons or empress set(no star foce, no emblem, no secondary), thats why they release the bonus pot after red too.
Now that its already very easy(as of now with star foce free reward shop cubes and crafted cubes) to do cap dmg or being able to duo end game boss. for most class all u need are godly weapons wiht full 15% set, u will be fine for most bosses.
Without increasing cap, its completly unneccesary to release this violet cube from TMS (ppl there can get 100m cap dmg).
it helps nothing to solve the gap b/w funded and unfunded.
funded will be stronger coz they willign to spend while unfunded struggling harder and feels bad when they see more ppl getting better at a speed faster than u can imagin ever before. I am only worried abt that once nexon cash out from this, they might bring more op items like 100m cap armor or 100% rate op scroll form TMS too. Cubing too easy makes GMS feels like a pizza slice, and theres no way to stop this going further.
some ppl may say they can make this thing temperory.
But once nexon cash out from this or ppl actually liked this they will ask nexon bring back it again, and im pretty sure nexon is happy abt bringing it back unlike perm vip rock/pendant slot only because cube is daily necessity like food irl, tehres literally infinte demand for it. So u cant really have this thing as temparory cs sales.
its either coming to gms frequently forever or never coming to gms.
Just comment on the official forums and hope nexon does something before it affects the game. Theres a patch update for a couple hours and the forums might affect the release of the cubes. http://maplestory.nexon.net/community#%2Fshowthread.php%3F1468197-Removal-of-Violet-Cubes-Implementing-them%26nxid%3D6
[quote=quasar]@jerry5000: I always wanted to get stronger, but when Nexon adds ways to get stronger very easily that makes me upset getting stronger very easily is wrong.[/quote]
[quote=masterobert]@quasar: Being strong actually had profit in return, by being able to sell end game boss loot for profit. What good does it do now?[/quote]
To be fair, endgame bosses haven't been profitable for a long time. I haven't seen decent returns since...a year or two ago. Empress slowly became worthless, then CRA, then Gollux and Tyrants.
Honestly, I think it's amusing how people are all like "Nexon screwed over people who bought cubes earlier". They're so blind.
People perfect scrolled their gear with +5 att scrolls, then +8 scrolls were released, then +9 and +10.
People spent millions on NX on Miracle Times, then a few months later Nexon implemented "a Better Maple" and doubled tier up rates.
Level 200 used be an accomplishment, now it's a joke.
[quote=quasar]@jerry5000 I don't care if every other girl can solo every boss, I just wanna murder everything really really really fast cause it fun when monsters don't put up a good fight and when there is no fear of dying so I can't appreciate being able to live.[/quote]
oh brave warrior~! i admire your wisdom and strength~!
you are a true hero~! you are right, its not abt what and how others do, its all abt enjoying very single step we make when playing maplestory, no matter how pointless or costly it might be~!
without you and the rest of brave heros, all emplyees of nexon will starving in the streets.
i wish one day,one day that i could become part of your army, an army of all mighty and noble heros who were out there ever since the beginning of maplestory, to support nexon days and nights.
@jerry5000 I don't care if every other girl can solo every boss, I just wanna murder everything really really really fast cause it fun when monsters don't put up a good fight and when there is no fear of dying so I can't appreciate being able to live.
[quote=femalejesus]the recent changes in price of many nx items is an attempt of nexon to slowly adjust their virtual items to match the price of virtual items in other games. With the emergence of more content-accessible games, especially in the mobile industry, nexon has to change it's heavy p2w business model to one that relies on microtransactions that every casual players can take a part of. Nexon is scaling the difficulty of the game to attract in newer generation of casual players. nexon is finally realizing that a thriving game in today's context is one that thrives on a large casual player base spending a few dollars here and there rather than relying on the top 1% of the player base for their source of income.
it's too late for nexon. i know what they're trying to do but they're approaching it the wrong way. The introduction of these cubes will benefit no one, other than nexon. The fact that they did a 30% off daily cube sale just a week before indicates that Nexon is very aware of what they are doing. They are finally undergoing a transition that, in theory, will encourage more casual players to spend. However, what good is this move if there are no casual players to begin with? The problem with this business move is that it does not accomplish the problem Nexon wants to rectify. It exacerbates it.
I wouldn't necessarily say it's the end of maple. It's just nexon transitioning to a microtransaction business model. Nexon has the right idea. Their implementation of it on the other hand is..... -_-[/quote]
TL DR, gaining profit from new players by killing the old ones. #logic
[quote=k3nny321]recent cube sale, scroll sale, now this. seems like nexon is trying to milk the game dry[/quote] the recent changes in price of many nx items is an attempt of nexon to slowly adjust their virtual items to match the price of virtual items in other games. With the emergence of more content-accessible games, especially in the mobile industry, nexon has to change it's heavy p2w business model to one that relies on microtransactions that every casual players can take a part of. Nexon is scaling the difficulty of the game to attract in newer generation of casual players. nexon is finally realizing that a thriving game in today's context is one that thrives on a large casual player base spending a few dollars here and there rather than relying on the top 1% of the player base for their source of income.
it's too late for nexon. i know what they're trying to do but they're approaching it the wrong way. The introduction of these cubes will benefit no one, other than nexon. The fact that they did a 30% off daily cube sale just a week before indicates that Nexon is very aware of what they are doing. They are finally undergoing a transition that, in theory, will encourage more casual players to spend. However, what good is this move if there are no casual players to begin with? The problem with this business move is that it does not accomplish the problem Nexon wants to rectify. It exacerbates it.
I wouldn't necessarily say it's the end of maple. It's just nexon transitioning to a microtransaction business model. Nexon has the right idea. Their implementation of it on the other hand is..... -_-
[quote=quasar]@jerry5000: I always wanted to get stronger, but when Nexon adds ways to get stronger very easily that makes me upset getting stronger very easily is wrong.[/quote]
yup. i was once weak af too and always dreamt of being super op.
now that nexon finnaly granted me my wish, by bring me this game breaking cube, so i spent thousands, only to find out that everyone else in this game, who are all just strong as me, even the slow kids from my school, do cap dmg now.
@jerry5000: I always wanted to get stronger, but when Nexon adds ways to get stronger very easily that makes me upset getting stronger very easily is wrong.
[quote=quasar]What the crap I don't wanna spend less money by using cubes that actually give me good potential quickly. I'd rather spend thousands of dollars just be strong slowly than spend only a few hundred and be strong quickly.[/quote]
sarcasim detected~! theres no less money spent~! nexon only wants more money~! if this thing goes well they will release more game breaking things like Xscroll:11att 100% pass rate.
Cubing too hard? lets make cubing easier. ok now cubing is easy lets make scrolling easy too?
eventually u will find all valuable things are obtainable from marvel/gacha only while boss drops have no value at all, which makes ur gear upgrading process completly pointless.
What the crap I don't wanna spend less money by using cubes that actually give me good potential quickly. I'd rather spend thousands of dollars just be strong slowly than spend only a few hundred and be strong quickly.
Well I think we should give these cubes a chance before complaining, I think that nexon will do something about it if these cubes have a really bad effect on the market / damage that players do
[quote=silverphoenix]I really hope you're kidding. This is a horrible business decision, unless Nexon is basically ditching MS1.[/quote] recent cube sale, scroll sale, now this. seems like nexon is trying to milk the game dry
[quote=twopointonefour]I dunno man.. you get 6 rolls I'm sure boss will appear more than 2 times on some rolls.[/quote]
yeah i mean like even with this cube it still has to follow system's rule. ive never seen a 3 line of boss weapon in TMS so its very unlikely to happen here.
[quote=jerry5000]but then if its so easy to get godly gear it wont be called godly no more coz everyone has it. just like there wont be op ppl coz everyone can solo cvellum like killign a snail.
pretty sure only 2 lines of boss is possble. but anyways imagine how easy it will be to get 2 lines of drop rate, boss drop value will be reduced signiciantly[/quote]
I dunno man.. you get 6 rolls I'm sure boss will appear more than 2 times on some rolls.
[quote=zenoname]I don't understand why no one is happy with these cubes, I feel like most of you are just being selfish because you spent a bit more money on perfecting gear. I mean with these cubes it can sort of close up the gap between people who spend thousands of dollars and people who don't spend that much. And btw it doesn't seem like these cubes tier up, so people would still have to use lots of black/red cubes to get to legendary/unique before using the violet cubes. So stop crying and be happy for once, people never seem to be happy with whatever nexon does which is kind of sad...[/quote]
ppl who dont spend that much dollar wont be able to afford this cube too. because they r unable and not willing to drop $ in a game.
tier up vs getting good line i d say tier up is way easier to do.
sure u may feel happy for one moment but sooner u will see everyone does cap dmg then cap will be pointless.
also with that cube, by the time new player able to kill profitable boss the drop from boss will have no value at all because of funded ppl alreayd invested their money into drop gear.
its literally pre bb once again, everybody do no dmg v.s. everybody cap(for those who willing to drop money in game).
if u know how is tms looks like u wont think its a good idea. ppl there do 100m cap dmg easily and a xenon can solo normal lotus.
is it really what u want? if so u may ask nexon to bring more op things like Xscroll:11 att 100% pass rate. cubing too hard lets make cubing easier. ok now cubing is easy lets make scrolling easy too?
eventually u will find all valuable things are obtainable from marvel/gacha only while boss drops have no value at all, which makes ur gear upgrading process completly pointless
it will only bring more gaps b/w unfunded and funded.
@zenoname: The gap will actually increase even more between players who play for free and those who pay. Even if those who do pay, people who have a lot more to spend will have a much bigger advantage. But yes, mostly those who spent a lot on getting high %stat are the ones complaining, for a good reason too. Not only because they spent a lot more to get the same results, but the effects this cube will have on the economy. What is the purpose for high damage now? @cherrytigers: It's here to stay. Sometimes the players know what's best for the game though.
I've spent millions of NX on cubes. I actually spent 300k nx this weekend cubing my weapons for 2 lines of boss. I never got it until I finally landed a pathetic 35% boss and 20% boss. Hm... buyer's remorse? That being said, I honestly don't even feel bad. I'm actually looking forward to the release of these cubes. I hope it's a one-time and never again thing but I doubt it. They'll prob return these cubes every now and then.
Remember, Nexon hires PROFESSIONAL economists to make these decisions. I'm sure they planned this out carefully.
I don't understand why no one is happy with these cubes, I feel like most of you are just being selfish because you spent a bit more money on perfecting gear. I mean with these cubes it can sort of close up the gap between people who spend thousands of dollars and people who don't spend that much. And btw it doesn't seem like these cubes tier up, so people would still have to use lots of black/red cubes to get to legendary/unique before using the violet cubes. So stop crying and be happy for once, people never seem to be happy with whatever nexon does which is kind of sad...
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[quote=simaini]am i the only one who has no idea what a violet cube is...?[/quote]
it shows you 6 lines and you get to pick 3 of them to be on your equip.
@k3nny321: i've heard more miracle time horror stories than actual miracles. Violet cubes are still a gamble to get "godly" gear, albeit, with a bigger pool to choose from. People may still drop thousands on these and STILL end up with crap potentials. I honestly don't believe it's going to be as horrible as people think it is...
Ah but whatever. I guess I shouldnt care either way.
[quote=k3nny321]Pls even if its one day, doesn't matter. If people spend thousands on miracle time, you don't think they'll do the same for this sale lol. Either way fm will be flooded with "godly" gear and economy will be even more ruined and the pay2win gap will become even greater[/quote]
til deflating godly gear is ruining economy
so which mushy with the 300/200/150 c/o are u
[quote=jetlagjag]@john5p: http://maplestory.nexon.net/community#%2Fshowthread.php%3F1468336%26p%3D12062744%26viewfull%3D1%23post12062744
Pls.[/quote]
Pls even if its one day, doesn't matter. If people spend thousands on miracle time, you don't think they'll do the same for this sale lol. Either way fm will be flooded with "godly" gear and economy will be even more ruined and the pay2win gap will become even greater
@john5p: http://maplestory.nexon.net/community#%2Fshowthread.php%3F1468336%26p%3D12062744%26viewfull%3D1%23post12062744
Pls.
[quote=cherrytigers]It would be stupid to ditch MS1. I'm really assuming they know what they're doing, because I most certainly don't.[/quote]
If they aren't trying to drain MS1 dry before ditching it, then I have no idea what the hell they're doing.
There are a multitude of reasons for why violet cubes are a bad idea... One of the main ones is that it effectively makes it even easier for people to just buy their way to godly status than it already was. I'm not saying people don't have the right to hit cap damage, but what the hell is the point of making it laughably easy?
This is similar in a way to buying an Action Replay to generate max stat Pokemon... sure for a little while it's fun and you can curbstomp the game easily, but pretty soon you'll just get bored because it's too damn easy. So people are going to reach godly status, kill bosses, get bored sooner or later and realize "wow this is a waste of time and money, time to quit" and ditch the game.
Also, there's the fact that one of the reasons people worked so hard to get godly was so that they could kill bosses and sell drops to make back their investment in this game whether it was in time or money. I'm not saying that it should be the case where there's content limited to only a handful of people, but basically handing an ezmode button to everyone just makes everything pointless because boss drops are going to be even more worthless than they already are.
[quote=jetlagjag]Apparently the cubes will only be sold during "special promotions" so they wont always be available in the cash shop. Will this make people stop crying now? Geez.[/quote]
No where in the cash shop updates does it suggest that violet cubes are a temporary addition. It's a special promotion because as a new cs item, its being discounted for 2.5k nx (regular price at 3k nx). People can continue crying. Geez
Apparently the cubes will only be sold during "special promotions" so they wont always be available in the cash shop. Will this make people stop crying now? Geez.
Lol I might redownload maple now just to have the satisfaction of making 30% stat equipment.
I dont even have endgame gear yet cause CRA bosses to hard yo! you cant make meso to buy gear on this game!
all the suckers who bought cubes last weekend must be crying
i found my sword in skyrim
Im not saying its not broken
But $25 for 10 is hardly a bargain or a "micro-transaction"
[quote=shangz]Have any of you even checked the price of these cubes? That seems to be the main selling point for everyone who's with this Violet cube.
It's 25k nx for 10 of them.
I'm failing to see how thats incredibly cheap and how you think you're going to cube all your gear and be godly from $50...GET REAL[/quote]
It is incredibly cheap for what they do. Double the price of red cubes for double the lines, and the ability to pick which of those lines to keep is just broken. Like someone in the other thread already calculated, with some assumptions made, that violent cubes have a 12x chance of rolling 3 lines of good stats compared to reds. So you're saying 12x chance for 2x the price is... properly priced?
[quote=assasin474]Lol @ all these rich kids crying. Meanwhile us players who haven't put a cent into the game can enjoy actually being able to afford decent equips now.[/quote]
Have any of you even checked the price of these cubes? That seems to be the main selling point for everyone who's with this Violet cube.
It's 25k nx for 10 of them.
I'm failing to see how thats incredibly cheap and how you think you're going to cube all your gear and be godly from $50...GET REAL
Not sure what the issue is. If it becomes easier to get good potential, that is a good thing is it not? Ofc only the merchants or highly funded players will complain because all their godly gear can be attained much easier. Let godly items flood the market. <3 so that we can all enjoy
Lol @ all these rich kids crying. Meanwhile us players who haven't put a cent into the game can enjoy actually being able to afford decent equips now.
[quote=jerry5000]@kiirori
ofc its reasonable. because if he doesnt sell it low now for 7b he probably wont sell it for 5b after the releasing of the violet cube. the again this guy may stop cubing gear and sell less profit to nexon. it will always come to an equilibrium point where nobody want those godly gear no more even for 2b if too many ppl using violet cube.[/quote]
wut, i don't even get what you're saying. if anything, what you said makes it worse for people who do spend money on cubes, and better for those who don't.
@streqx no you're right, people should spend $200 on cubing end game gear as opposed to $50. that would make a better maple wouldn't it. curse those players who spend money, they should be drained of all their money because they can solo hmag and i can't.
"Better Maple". Lmao, get out Nexon.
@kiirori
ofc its reasonable. because if he doesnt sell it low now for 7b he probably wont sell it for 5b after the releasing of the violet cube. the again this guy may stop cubing gear and sell less profit to nexon. it will always come to an equilibrium point where nobody want those godly gear no more even for 2b if too many ppl using violet cube.
why are people complaining? this benefits both players who spend money and players who do not spend money.
players who spend money won't have to spend as much, and with these cubes, the cost of end game gear will deflate so that f2p players have a better shot at obtaining them.
i bought a 30% dex tat the other day for about 7b, the guy spent 200 dollars making it so he made negative profit, is that reasonable in your opinion?
@femalejesus:
tbh i dont really think tehres still so called New Players coming to this game. For those who play ms rn, they either played it back when they were kids and loved this game since then or ppl who played ms b4 and wanting to play it again after hiatus.
apparently old players yields more profit to nexon, for things like huge patch they always losing ppl and they will never come back like red* wiht 50m cap. even if those ppl decide to return they are very unlikey to spend a singe dollar when the economic is highly UNSTABLE.
u dont wanna pay 500$ rn when tmr u only need to pay 10$ for it. it has nothign to do with the cost of making one gear.
its abt the signal, it makes ppl feel unsafe abt their property.
it happens too soon without increasing the cap its unneccesary.
now that this signal has been given from nexon, for those ppl who lareay have eveyrthign done they feel bad abt losing value on thier loved gears, for those who still want to upgrade they r happy for a moment untill one day they see everybody does the same dmg then they will quit eventually. less profit for nexon.
alteranltively they can simply make boss having less hp instead of making cube easier. but they choose not to.
And i doubt u need $500 for a good piece, more like 100$ top for a good item unless u really decided to cube scrollign all by urself without doing a single even or spend time farming.
[quote=jerry5000]TL DR, gaining profit from new players by killing the old ones.
#logic
[/quote]
sometimes you gotta cut off an arm to stop the bleeding. it hurts right now but this transition is a necessary one to ensure maple has any slither of survival in the upcoming years.
no one wants to pay $500 dollars for a piece of equipment anymore. LoL and many mobile games provide essentially the same entertainment but for 1/10 the price. Everyone is getting sick of the cost and Nexon knows it can't hang on to it's current business model any longer.
you and everyone else saying that the game is over need to chill the eff out. This transition is good and shows that Nexon is trying to do something, even if their approach is utterly misguided. I am kicking myself in the head for spending over $5000 dollars on cubes. Am I momentarily mad? Yes. But I know that it has to be done.
[quote=axnslicer]To be fair, endgame bosses haven't been profitable for a long time. I haven't seen solid profit margins since...a year or two ago. Empress slowly became worthless, then CRA, then Gollux and Tyrants.
Honestly I think it's amusing how people are all like "Nexon screwed over people who bought cubes earlier". They have no perspective.
People perfect scrolled their gear with +5 att scrolls, then +8 scrolls were released, then +9 and +10.
People spent 5+ bil on CRA, then CRA deflation happened a year later and now everyone can buy CRA for a few bil.
People spend millions on NX on Miracle Times, then Nexon implements "a Better Maple" and doubles tier up rates.
The pattern is obvious.[/quote]
Its true that endgame bossed havnt been profitable for a long time.
But for those who can kill the strong boss when they were 1st released (or after a short period of releasing) can always profit enough to cover the cost.
Just like when they gave us 50m cap, ppl who spent a lot getting tyrant/cra from marvel gets a lot money by selling the drop.
Later on, those who soloed cra ealier invested their money into drop gear to further cash out more from cvellum runs even when there are more ppl can kill cra bosses.
Because some ppl always wanted to be ahead of other ppl.
On a side note that gollux is still profitable, if u do 3 hellux run per day(trade wiht other ppl), you should be able to get 1 pendant per week, still good money.
Also for hmag, u no longer need be alive to recieve coins. wiht the free tele rock no prequest is needed for hmag either. i leech my 2 mulez in hmag everyweek, easy money.
The majority reason for nexon to release new set and more op att scroll is because of new cap dmg.
they need to adjust the ease of getting cap dmg. im sure you wont be able to do 50mcap dmg with only lv120 weapons or empress set(no star foce, no emblem, no secondary), thats why they release the bonus pot after red too.
Now that its already very easy(as of now with star foce free reward shop cubes and crafted cubes) to do cap dmg or being able to duo end game boss. for most class all u need are godly weapons wiht full 15% set, u will be fine for most bosses.
Without increasing cap, its completly unneccesary to release this violet cube from TMS (ppl there can get 100m cap dmg).
it helps nothing to solve the gap b/w funded and unfunded.
funded will be stronger coz they willign to spend while unfunded struggling harder and feels bad when they see more ppl getting better at a speed faster than u can imagin ever before.
I am only worried abt that once nexon cash out from this, they might bring more op items like 100m cap armor or 100% rate op scroll form TMS too. Cubing too easy makes GMS feels like a pizza slice, and theres no way to stop this going further.
some ppl may say they can make this thing temperory.
But once nexon cash out from this or ppl actually liked this they will ask nexon bring back it again, and im pretty sure nexon is happy abt bringing it back unlike perm vip rock/pendant slot only because cube is daily necessity like food irl, tehres literally infinte demand for it.
So u cant really have this thing as temparory cs sales.
its either coming to gms frequently forever or never coming to gms.
Just comment on the official forums and hope nexon does something before it affects the game. Theres a patch update for a couple hours and the forums might affect the release of the cubes.
http://maplestory.nexon.net/community#%2Fshowthread.php%3F1468197-Removal-of-Violet-Cubes-Implementing-them%26nxid%3D6
[quote=quasar]@jerry5000: I always wanted to get stronger, but when Nexon adds ways to get stronger very easily that makes me upset getting stronger very easily is wrong.[/quote]
[quote=masterobert]@quasar: Being strong actually had profit in return, by being able to sell end game boss loot for profit. What good does it do now?[/quote]
To be fair, endgame bosses haven't been profitable for a long time. I haven't seen decent returns since...a year or two ago. Empress slowly became worthless, then CRA, then Gollux and Tyrants.
Honestly, I think it's amusing how people are all like "Nexon screwed over people who bought cubes earlier". They're so blind.
People perfect scrolled their gear with +5 att scrolls, then +8 scrolls were released, then +9 and +10.
People spent millions on NX on Miracle Times, then a few months later Nexon implemented "a Better Maple" and doubled tier up rates.
Level 200 used be an accomplishment, now it's a joke.
The pattern is obvious.
Nexon's last go at cashing in all the $$$ before the game dies and ms2.
[quote=silverphoenix]I really hope you're kidding. This is a horrible business decision, unless Nexon is basically ditching MS1.[/quote]
It would be stupid to ditch MS1. I'm really assuming they know what they're doing, because I most certainly don't.
[quote=quasar]@jerry5000 I don't care if every other girl can solo every boss, I just wanna murder everything really really really fast cause it fun when monsters don't put up a good fight and when there is no fear of dying so I can't appreciate being able to live.[/quote]
oh brave warrior~! i admire your wisdom and strength~!
you are a true hero~! you are right, its not abt what and how others do, its all abt enjoying very single step we make when playing maplestory, no matter how pointless or costly it might be~!
without you and the rest of brave heros, all emplyees of nexon will starving in the streets.
i wish one day,one day that i could become part of your army, an army of all mighty and noble heros who were out there ever since the beginning of maplestory, to support nexon days and nights.
@jerry5000 I don't care if every other girl can solo every boss, I just wanna murder everything really really really fast cause it fun when monsters don't put up a good fight and when there is no fear of dying so I can't appreciate being able to live.
whats a paycheck?
[quote=femalejesus]the recent changes in price of many nx items is an attempt of nexon to slowly adjust their virtual items to match the price of virtual items in other games. With the emergence of more content-accessible games, especially in the mobile industry, nexon has to change it's heavy p2w business model to one that relies on microtransactions that every casual players can take a part of. Nexon is scaling the difficulty of the game to attract in newer generation of casual players. nexon is finally realizing that a thriving game in today's context is one that thrives on a large casual player base spending a few dollars here and there rather than relying on the top 1% of the player base for their source of income.
it's too late for nexon. i know what they're trying to do but they're approaching it the wrong way. The introduction of these cubes will benefit no one, other than nexon. The fact that they did a 30% off daily cube sale just a week before indicates that Nexon is very aware of what they are doing. They are finally undergoing a transition that, in theory, will encourage more casual players to spend. However, what good is this move if there are no casual players to begin with? The problem with this business move is that it does not accomplish the problem Nexon wants to rectify. It exacerbates it.
I wouldn't necessarily say it's the end of maple. It's just nexon transitioning to a microtransaction business model. Nexon has the right idea. Their implementation of it on the other hand is..... -_-[/quote]
TL DR, gaining profit from new players by killing the old ones.
#logic
@quasar
why u wanna solo boss when everybody solo boss?
wuts so specail abt 1hko a snail when everybody else can do so.
it aint boss it snail.
[quote=k3nny321]recent cube sale, scroll sale, now this. seems like nexon is trying to milk the game dry[/quote]
the recent changes in price of many nx items is an attempt of nexon to slowly adjust their virtual items to match the price of virtual items in other games. With the emergence of more content-accessible games, especially in the mobile industry, nexon has to change it's heavy p2w business model to one that relies on microtransactions that every casual players can take a part of. Nexon is scaling the difficulty of the game to attract in newer generation of casual players. nexon is finally realizing that a thriving game in today's context is one that thrives on a large casual player base spending a few dollars here and there rather than relying on the top 1% of the player base for their source of income.
it's too late for nexon. i know what they're trying to do but they're approaching it the wrong way. The introduction of these cubes will benefit no one, other than nexon. The fact that they did a 30% off daily cube sale just a week before indicates that Nexon is very aware of what they are doing. They are finally undergoing a transition that, in theory, will encourage more casual players to spend. However, what good is this move if there are no casual players to begin with? The problem with this business move is that it does not accomplish the problem Nexon wants to rectify. It exacerbates it.
I wouldn't necessarily say it's the end of maple. It's just nexon transitioning to a microtransaction business model. Nexon has the right idea. Their implementation of it on the other hand is..... -_-
@masterobert: But if I sell my stuff, how will I solo every boss under 10 seconds? o.o
[quote=quasar]@jerry5000: I always wanted to get stronger, but when Nexon adds ways to get stronger very easily that makes me upset getting stronger very easily is wrong.[/quote]
yup. i was once weak af too and always dreamt of being super op.
now that nexon finnaly granted me my wish, by bring me this game breaking cube, so i spent thousands, only to find out that everyone else in this game, who are all just strong as me, even the slow kids from my school, do cap dmg now.
@jerry5000: I always wanted to get stronger, but when Nexon adds ways to get stronger very easily that makes me upset getting stronger very easily is wrong.
damnit, should've sold my equips when I had the chance
oh well
@quasar: Being strong actually had profit in return, by being able to sell end game boss loot for profit. What good does it do now?
[quote=quasar]What the crap I don't wanna spend less money by using cubes that actually give me good potential quickly. I'd rather spend thousands of dollars just be strong slowly than spend only a few hundred and be strong quickly.[/quote]
sarcasim detected~! theres no less money spent~! nexon only wants more money~! if this thing goes well they will release more game breaking things like Xscroll:11att 100% pass rate.
Cubing too hard? lets make cubing easier. ok now cubing is easy lets make scrolling easy too?
eventually u will find all valuable things are obtainable from marvel/gacha only while boss drops have no value at all, which makes ur gear upgrading process completly pointless.
What the crap I don't wanna spend less money by using cubes that actually give me good potential quickly. I'd rather spend thousands of dollars just be strong slowly than spend only a few hundred and be strong quickly.
Well I think we should give these cubes a chance before complaining, I think that nexon will do something about it if these cubes have a really bad effect on the market / damage that players do
[b]IM WET[/b]
[quote=silverphoenix]I really hope you're kidding. This is a horrible business decision, unless Nexon is basically ditching MS1.[/quote]
recent cube sale, scroll sale, now this. seems like nexon is trying to milk the game dry
[quote=twopointonefour]I dunno man.. you get 6 rolls I'm sure boss will appear more than 2 times on some rolls.[/quote]
yeah i mean like even with this cube it still has to follow system's rule. ive never seen a 3 line of boss weapon in TMS so its very unlikely to happen here.
[quote=cherrytigers] Remember, Nexon hires PROFESSIONAL economists to make these decisions. I'm sure they planned this out carefully.[/quote]
I really hope you're kidding. This is a horrible business decision, unless Nexon is basically ditching MS1.
[quote=jerry5000]but then if its so easy to get godly gear it wont be called godly no more coz everyone has it.
just like there wont be op ppl coz everyone can solo cvellum like killign a snail.
@twopointonefour
pretty sure only 2 lines of boss is possble. but anyways imagine how easy it will be to get 2 lines of drop rate, boss drop value will be reduced signiciantly[/quote]
I dunno man.. you get 6 rolls I'm sure boss will appear more than 2 times on some rolls.
[quote=zenoname]I don't understand why no one is happy with these cubes, I feel like most of you are just being selfish because you spent a bit more money on perfecting gear. I mean with these cubes it can sort of close up the gap between people who spend thousands of dollars and people who don't spend that much.
And btw it doesn't seem like these cubes tier up, so people would still have to use lots of black/red cubes to get to legendary/unique before using the violet cubes.
So stop crying and be happy for once, people never seem to be happy with whatever nexon does which is kind of sad...[/quote]
ppl who dont spend that much dollar wont be able to afford this cube too. because they r unable and not willing to drop $ in a game.
tier up vs getting good line i d say tier up is way easier to do.
sure u may feel happy for one moment but sooner u will see everyone does cap dmg then cap will be pointless.
also with that cube, by the time new player able to kill profitable boss the drop from boss will have no value at all because of funded ppl alreayd invested their money into drop gear.
its literally pre bb once again, everybody do no dmg v.s. everybody cap(for those who willing to drop money in game).
if u know how is tms looks like u wont think its a good idea. ppl there do 100m cap dmg easily and a xenon can solo normal lotus.
is it really what u want? if so u may ask nexon to bring more op things like Xscroll:11 att 100% pass rate. cubing too hard lets make cubing easier. ok now cubing is easy lets make scrolling easy too?
eventually u will find all valuable things are obtainable from marvel/gacha only while boss drops have no value at all, which makes ur gear upgrading process completly pointless
it will only bring more gaps b/w unfunded and funded.
@zenoname: The gap will actually increase even more between players who play for free and those who pay. Even if those who do pay, people who have a lot more to spend will have a much bigger advantage. But yes, mostly those who spent a lot on getting high %stat are the ones complaining, for a good reason too. Not only because they spent a lot more to get the same results, but the effects this cube will have on the economy. What is the purpose for high damage now?
@cherrytigers: It's here to stay. Sometimes the players know what's best for the game though.
I've spent millions of NX on cubes. I actually spent 300k nx this weekend cubing my weapons for 2 lines of boss. I never got it until I finally landed a pathetic 35% boss and 20% boss. Hm... buyer's remorse? That being said, I honestly don't even feel bad. I'm actually looking forward to the release of these cubes. I hope it's a one-time and never again thing but I doubt it. They'll prob return these cubes every now and then.
Remember, Nexon hires PROFESSIONAL economists to make these decisions. I'm sure they planned this out carefully.
I don't understand why no one is happy with these cubes, I feel like most of you are just being selfish because you spent a bit more money on perfecting gear. I mean with these cubes it can sort of close up the gap between people who spend thousands of dollars and people who don't spend that much.
And btw it doesn't seem like these cubes tier up, so people would still have to use lots of black/red cubes to get to legendary/unique before using the violet cubes.
So stop crying and be happy for once, people never seem to be happy with whatever nexon does which is kind of sad...