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Couple of damage questions

Hi basil!

A while ago I made my first properly funded character, a Dual Blade! I funded him with a couble of bil and managed to get around 510 att and 106% luk without xenon link and MW. I have both of those on him though, making for a grand total of 131% luk. I'm wearing full empress, out of which only the glove and weapons are scrolled (fully mirced, dagger has 2x hammer and glove 1x). I've got a pretty decent ring set-up, with ABR, Tempest, legendary ring and RED adventurer ring. Once we get Gollux in EMS I plan on upgrading to that ring. Anyway, my range right now is buffed 90k-100k. That seems really low for the stats I have. Is that to be expected with what I have currently? (I can upload screenshots if I need to)

Also, when it comes to DEF Ignore and Boss damage, what are the best ways to go around getting those? Currently sitting at 24% def ignore and 46% boss. I can get 5% added to both by leveling my demon slayer and luminous link, but my greed won't be satisfied by that.

Also how important is Att% compared to %luk or Def ignore/boss damage?

May 1, 2014

10 Comments • Newest first

separatists

@David0696: lol david u still play? did jun delete his db? o.O cant find it on rankings

Reply May 3, 2014
Sinsanity

[quote=DeadlyStab]Seems like everyone covered most of the basics already, but one thing to add to help a little more for PDR is get the Leafre set as that is 30% pdr right there not even on your weapons. Also CRA gear gives very little bit to: hat 10%, top 5%, bottom 5%. Though it is very little I guess it still helps the slightest.[/quote]

Sadly we don't have crusader codex in EMS, but I'll make do with what we have. Looking to upgrade to CRA, but there's not that many people running for those atm, so prices are still on the high side, around 500m for top and pants, 150m for hat, weapons go in the bils. I will switch to that once I get the money, especially considering getting pants would open up decent HB if I decide I need it. Thanks for responding!

Reply May 2, 2014
David0696

[quote=separatists]%atk benefits dbs [b]so much[/b] considering we have 2 weapons that can be scrolled over 200+atk (at the very least 150ish) and only katara you should get is the sw one, only secondary that has 30%boss and 10%pdr for base stats.[/quote]

Considering how %atk is a multiplier, independent of most skills, the same proportional increase would be given to most other jobs. Jobs that do not encounter the same proportional increase would be those such as Kaiser who have a skill with %atk in it, additive with potential lines. A dual blade could have 100 attack total or 1000. The same proportional boost would be given by %atk.

Reply May 2, 2014
Sinsanity

[quote=separatists]%atk benefits dbs so much considering we have 2 weapons that can be scrolled over 200+atk (at the very least 150ish) and only katara you should get is the sw one, only secondary that has 30%boss and 10%pdr for base stats.[/quote]

Currently sitting on 285 att blade and dagger combined. Gonna hope that we DO get commerci so I can get the sw katara. Thanks for responding!

Reply May 1, 2014
separatists

%atk benefits dbs so much considering we have 2 weapons that can be scrolled over 200+atk (at the very least 150ish) and only katara you should get is the sw one, only secondary that has 30%boss and 10%pdr for base stats.

Reply May 1, 2014
Sinsanity

[quote=cris1000]It seems like you need more att. You should be able to get 30% boss damage without any set effects with 3 S rank character card decks (3x3%), kanna and demon avenger S rank character cards (2x3%), and 15% from demon slayer link skill lv 2. If ems gets beast tamer, then thats 7% more as well. The reinforced gollux set gives 30 att, 12 all stats, 30% boss damage as well as 15% defence ignore. When you get strong enough, get dojo gloves instead of empress, and if ems gets commerci, either transpose your empress to sweet water if your empress is perfect, or scroll a new dagger probably a fafnir one.[/quote]

Thanks a lot for the response! Since this is my first serious character, how do I get dojo gloves? Also, when you speak of perfect, when is a dagger perfect? Mine is currently sitting at 182 with all slots and hammers used and 1 AEE.

Reply May 1, 2014
GoXDS

1 thing to note first is that MW does not stack additively with %Stat. it works only off of Base stat, adds to total stat before %Stat, then %Stat is factored in (thus, if you had 1000 LUK from AP and equips and 50% LUK, Lvl 30 MW gives 150 LUK for 1150 then %LUK makes you go to 1725. better than the 1650 if MW stacked additively with %Stat).

there really isn't a "sweetspot" since it always depends on what Boss you're fighting and how much %Boss/%Ignore/%Atk you have.
if you can get a lot of %Atk from Bonus, then the point at which %Atk > %Boss on main lines becomes higher. %Ignore is heavily dependent on the Boss but 24% is definitely on the low side (btw, PB is not 50% but 30% and 20% since both the original %Ignore and the Hyper %Ignore count as 2 separate sources.)
for weapons, %Boss/%Ignore/%Atk is ALWAYS better to have than %LUK simply because you have more limited "space" to get more weapon potential. %atk and %LUK would be the same worth if you had equal "space" but since %LUK has more, you'll probably have more %LUK than %Atk and so each additional %LUK line is worth less than more %Atk lines. like if you had 50% LUK and 10% atk, another 9%LUK is only 6% increase while 9% atk is 8.1%.

Reply May 1, 2014
cris1000

It seems like you need more att. You should be able to get 30% boss damage without any set effects with 3 S rank character card decks (3x3%), kanna and demon avenger S rank character cards (2x3%), and 15% from demon slayer link skill lv 2. If ems gets beast tamer, then thats 7% more as well. The reinforced gollux set gives 30 att, 12 all stats, 30% boss damage as well as 15% defence ignore. When you get strong enough, get dojo gloves instead of empress, and if ems gets commerci, either transpose your empress to sweet water if your empress is perfect, or scroll a new dagger probably a fafnir one.

Reply May 1, 2014
Sinsanity

[quote=turdaldit]Well you should be using your equips such as rings /pants /top etc to get your %luk. Just aim for like 9% luk on all your equips, then 15, then 21 is endgame if you're not hella funded. Boss, PDR and %att is also very important, since we have 3 things to cube for these potentials we're lucky (dagger, katara, emblem), cube one for boss, one for PDR and the other for %att and cube all the bonus pots to %att, %att is VERY important for range whereas after ~250% boss you don't need boss and once you get around 80-90% PDR you should be fine since PB gives 50% PDR with hypers. I recommend link skills (lvl 2 link skills) and more att, 510 is really low especially considering we have 2 weps so maybe look into getting CRA equips. link skills are very key, my DB is 500k range clean but when I take all my link skills off I drop down to 390k ish clean so yeah... I'll post again if I forgot anything but this is the basic gist of what you should aim for.[/quote]

Right now I have at least 6% on everything except hat (9%), glove (15%), pendant (18%) and shoulder (9%). My emblem is currently sitting on 15% DEF Ignore and 9% total dmg, katara I screwed up cubing so it turned out to be 6% luk and dagger is 9% att (epic, so 6% and 3% lines).
So pretty much 250% boss is the sweet spot? how much should I be aiming for considering I'm not that funded? I have around 450m left and CRA thief gear is crazy expensive still. As for the DEF Ignore I'm working on getting a title that gives 5% + pocket item from kritias that gives another 5%.

Basically I'll have to cube everything to unique and at least 9% luk, then cube my dagger, emblem and blade to give Boss, PDR and Att%, if I understood your post correctly.

Reply May 1, 2014
turdaldit

Well you should be using your equips such as rings /pants /top etc to get your %luk. Just aim for like 9% luk on all your equips, then 15, then 21 is endgame if you're not hella funded. Boss, PDR and %att is also very important, since we have 3 things to cube for these potentials we're lucky (dagger, katara, emblem), cube one for boss, one for PDR and the other for %att and cube all the bonus pots to %att, %att is VERY important for range whereas after ~250% boss you don't need boss and once you get around 80-90% PDR you should be fine since PB gives 50% PDR with hypers. I recommend link skills (lvl 2 link skills) and more att, 510 is really low especially considering we have 2 weps so maybe look into getting CRA equips. link skills are very key, my DB is 500k range clean but when I take all my link skills off I drop down to 390k ish clean so yeah... I'll post again if I forgot anything but this is the basic gist of what you should aim for.

Reply May 1, 2014