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[quote=Axnslicer]Let's see, I sell a few B worth of stuff a week with relatively little effort. Meanwhile you sell nothing. Who does it sound like has more sense?[/quote] Ok,sure, we're all too stupid for you in fact, we're too dumb to be in your presence, so please leave so that sensa- umm, I mean other people can comment and give helpful advice.

[quote=sorasealed]As long as you're gone and make space for people with sense i'm fine with it.[/quote]

Let's see, I sell a few B worth of stuff a week with relatively little effort. Meanwhile you sell nothing. Who does it sound like has more sense?

[quote=Axnslicer]Yeah, I see you still don't get it. Whatever. You can continue complaining while the rest of us, who actually know how the economy works, sell stuff just fine.[/quote]
As long as you're gone and make space for people with sense i'm fine with it.

[quote=sorasealed]Dude, you can't tell me they're false because it's my experience and you were not there. I'm just describing what I saw so you can't tell me that it's wrong. Also, my paragraph wasn't only a rant ( some of it was because I've said the same thing 3 times and you still don't get it) and also, dude there's no need to get so hostile, as I said before we're just trying to help each other out. Furthermore, i'm not selling worthless things, but even if I was there would be nobody to refuse them because there are no people to sell to it's not that people won't buy my things, it's that I don't see anybody to sell to. Dude, just calm down and stop getting so worked up, this sin't a thread meant for people to attack each other it's meant for people to help each other.[/quote]

Yeah, I see you still don't get it. Whatever. You can continue complaining while the rest of us, who actually know how the economy works, sell stuff just fine.

[quote=Axnslicer]Your entire paragraph is a nice long rant about how it's "not your fault" you can't find anyone willing to buy your stuff. You claim that

A) There are no consumers
B) No one is spending mesos
C) You understand how economics works

Clearly all three of these are false. I look through Khaini's FM and see plenty of items sold. if your items aren't selling, then it's your fault.

Stop whining about how you can't sell anything and either get a shop or join an active alliance. Meanwhile, stop trying to sell worthless junk and instead sell items that people with mesos might actually want.[/quote] Dude, you can't tell me they're false because it's my experience and you were not there. I'm just describing what I saw so you can't tell me that it's wrong. Also, my paragraph wasn't only a rant ( some of it was because I've said the same thing 3 times and you still don't get it) and also, dude there's no need to get so hostile, as I said before we're just trying to help each other out. Furthermore, i'm not selling worthless things, but even if I was there would be nobody to refuse them because there are no people to sell to it's not that people won't buy my things, it's that I don't see anybody to sell to. Dude, just calm down and stop getting so worked up, this sin't a thread meant for people to attack each other it's meant for people to help each other.

[quote=sorasealed]Well IF THERE ARE NO CONSUMERS then there is no demand and I don't see anybody who's willing to buy anything. How is it a failure on my end if I can't find people willing to buy stuff when in fact no one is willing to buy things. If I go to the market and no one is there it's not my fault that they're not there. They have mesos, yes, but just because they have them doesn't necessarily mean that they're using them now or that they must use them, when they earn money they don't go on a spontaneous spending spree.After all, some people don't spend their money because they don't feel like it or even because they may not play that often and also, just because they have money it does not mean that they are necessarily WILLING to buy thingsand for demand to exist people must be willing and able to buy goods. They may be able, but they aren't willing, hence there is no demand. It's not that I THINK there are no consumers, the FACT is, when I go into the fm THERE ARE NONE. I'm powerless if the buy tabs in the stores are empty and nobody is outside the stores in the FM that I can sell to.If people were demanding things then they would seek them and that's why FM exists, so that buyers and sellers can meet. I can't control people and force them to want things. It doesn't matter how large the money supply is if there is no spending then there is still no demand. Also, there's no need to say, "You clearly don't understand how economics works", no need to take jabs at people when we're all just trying to help each other, and if anything, i'm clearly not the one here who doesn't understand how economics works...[/quote]

Your entire paragraph is a nice long rant about how it's "not your fault" you can't find anyone willing to buy your stuff. You claim that

A) There are no consumers
B) No one is spending mesos
C) You understand how economics works

Clearly all three of these are false. I look through Khaini's FM and see plenty of items sold. if your items aren't selling, then it's your fault.

Stop whining about how you can't sell anything and either get a shop or join an active alliance. Meanwhile, stop trying to sell worthless junk and instead sell items that people with mesos might actually want.

[quote=Axnslicer]Lol. You think there's no demand for anything? You clearly don't understand how economics works. What exactly do you think they're making all those mesos for? To buy stuff obviously. If you can't find someone willing to buy stuff, then that's obviously a failure on your end.[/quote]
Well IF THERE ARE NO CONSUMERS then there is no demand and I don't see anybody who's willing to buy anything. How is it a failure on my end if I can't find people willing to buy stuff when in fact no one is willing to buy things. If I go to the market and no one is there it's not my fault that they're not there. They have mesos, yes, but just because they have them doesn't necessarily mean that they're using them now or that they must use them, when they earn money they don't go on a spontaneous spending spree.After all, some people don't spend their money because they don't feel like it or even because they may not play that often and also, just because they have money it does not mean that they are necessarily WILLING to buy thingsand for demand to exist people must be willing and able to buy goods. They may be able, but they aren't willing, hence there is no demand. It's not that I THINK there are no consumers, the FACT is, when I go into the fm THERE ARE NONE. I'm powerless if the buy tabs in the stores are empty and nobody is outside the stores in the FM that I can sell to.If people were demanding things then they would seek them and that's why FM exists, so that buyers and sellers can meet. I can't control people and force them to want things. It doesn't matter how large the money supply is if there is no spending then there is still no demand. Also, there's no need to say, "You clearly don't understand how economics works", no need to take jabs at people when we're all just trying to help each other, and if anything, i'm clearly not the one here who doesn't understand how economics works...

[quote=sorasealed]
You also said to meet their demand well that wouldn't be a problem if there WAS a demand for anything. If there are no people who are willing to buy anything then there is no demand for anything to satisfy.[/quote]

Lol. You think there's no demand for anything? You clearly don't understand how economics works. What exactly do you think they're making all those mesos for? To buy stuff obviously. If you can't find someone willing to buy stuff, then that's obviously a failure on your end.

[quote=Axnslicer]Way to miss the point.[/quote] You said "If you have people to buy from you have people to sell to", and i'm telling you that it's not necessarily so because I can't get a shop which seems like the only way to sell to people since 1. the buy tabs in the shops are empty and 2. nobody is outside the FM to sell to.
You also said to meet their demand well that wouldn't be a problem if there WAS a demand for anything. If there are no people who are willing to buy anything then there is no demand for anything to satisfy.

[quote=sorasealed]Not necessarily. Only people's shops are set up there and there is nothing in their buy tabs and there aren't any people outside the FM buying things either.[/quote]

Way to miss the point.

[quote=Axnslicer]If you have people to buy from, then you have people to sell to. They need to spend their mesos on something after all. Your job is to figure out what they want and to meet that demand. If you're not willing to spend a mere 1.8k NX. then you're also responsible for contacting the buyers.[/quote] Not necessarily. Only people's shops are set up there and there is nothing in their buy tabs and there aren't any people outside the FM buying things either.

You can use rewards points and get the one day Free Market (FM) store. You can get one every month. If you eligible you can also do free offers to earn NX. I earned about 5K NX myself. The 1.8K NX to get a store permit shouldn't take too long. If you use Maple Rewards as a discount on the store permit it only costs 1.2K NX then.

I collect stuff and sell it in the FM. I do not put much effort into it and I make millions of meso. It wont earn me billions of meso but It works for me for now.

[quote=femalejesus]they are SCAMMING noobs.[/quote]

so they're tricking people into selling things to them for lower than the item usually is? i don't think you know what scamming is sry lol

[quote=sorasealed]I do have people to buy from, people have shops selling things it's just that nobody's outside buying stuff and the shops aren't buying stuff either.[/quote]

If you have people to buy from, then you have people to sell to. They need to spend their mesos on something after all. Your job is to figure out what they want and to meet that demand. If you're not willing to spend a mere 1.8k NX. then you're also responsible for contacting the buyers.

[quote=Axnslicer]Dude, Khaini's FM isn't dead. I just looked there, they have tons of shops in the FM. Get a shop, it costs basically nothing. If you can't even manage to make 1.8k NX, then just sell to alliance. If you have no one to sell to then you have no one to buy from either, and there's no point in making mesos, which would make your entire thread useless.[/quote] I do have people to buy from, people have shops selling things it's just that nobody's outside buying stuff and the shops aren't buying stuff either.

[quote=femalejesus]no. there's no other way to earn mesos.[/quote]

I made over 400 B spending no real life money at all on NX. Just because you don't have the skill doesn't mean it's impossible. Also, someone like you who bought their way into the game really has no right to be making generalizations like "there's no other way to earn mesos".

[quote=sorasealed]Hey guys, so I just came back to maple after a year and I know there are a lot of meso-making guides out there but there's one problem, they all require you to have Nx and set up a shop. I can't get nx so I need to find a way to make mesos without it. Even merching is basically impossible because the Free Market in Khaini is nearly empty these days (sometimes it literally IS empty). So any ideas on where I can go to sell to ppl(FM is dead), what items to sell, how to get them etc. Feel free to post links to meso-making guides if they don't involve Nx or merching (since I have no one to sell to). I'm trying to make money so I can get items to increase my Dmg. I currently have 500K and my highest lvl char is 144.
Any advice is greatly appreciated [/quote]

Dude, Khaini's FM isn't dead. I just looked there, they have tons of shops in the FM. Get a shop, it costs basically nothing. If you can't even manage to make 1.8k NX, then just sell to alliance. If you have no one to sell to then you have no one to buy from either, and there's no point in making mesos, which would make your entire thread useless.

Gollux and events.

You can kill easy bosses like Easy/Norm Zak and sell the pots

Events! Pick up those red boxes from monster drop and farm the Exp/Drop coupons. They go for 50mil/15mil in my server. I made about 400 mil already from this event. Also, you can farm nut coins and use them or sell scroll service. Best of luck to you

Sell spell traces.

...Get Maple Points.

[quote=GazimoEnthra]"How do I make mesos without nx?"

One of the last things people ask before they quit the game.[/quote]

truu

"How do I make mesos without nx?"

One of the last things people ask before they quit the game.