General

In Basil Translation:
Free commission = EQUALS = A request with[b] no pay.[/b]
Don't worry, we got tons of art freaks on basil who like to go ape-poop on art related things.
Be glad you didn't the gorilla basiler in here.

OT: just use the word Request.
In your case it'd be a [b]Collaboration[/b].
Therefore the point should have been reworded as:
"Would anyone like to do a little collaboration with me? If successful, future collaborations may entitle a small incentive $$."

[url=http://i40.tinypic.com/34z0w1v.png]Credit me sir.[/url]

You know.. normally people ask to look at an artist's portfolio as a way to see if their artistic style fits their preferences.

>free commission

If you have any bit of respect for your your prospective artists, I highly advise you drop that part.

[quote=thedylan]Obviously if the artist did the job and expected to get paid, but didn't, that would be wrong. If both parties are in an agreement, then I see no problem.[/quote]
And that kind of mindset is exactly what's wrong, sadly. Many artists are already selling themselves cheap. The more people let themselves give their art out for free, the more people think they can run up to artists and ask for free (or cheap), quality art. It makes it difficult for artists to get paid the amount they deserve because the payers don't believe they should shell out so much money (if any at all).
Now I realize this guy is one person out of many out there, but I think you can see what I'm getting at.

@PashySpirit I have tried to be nothing but polite to you. You're making me sound like I was demanding you all work for me for free. I was ASKING. You can, and obviously have, say NO. And then that is the END of it. I KNOW how much work goes into art. I said on the previous page I have nothing but the utmost admiration for you all. I cannot understand but as a writer, I'd like think I can at least [i]sympathize[/i]. What is bothering me the most, now, is your entire post about how I chose to make my first few releases free, but the artists didn't. I never said they did, that's why I'm asking.

You're turning everything I say into something it's not.

@Nashi That's why I said message me for the deets. =/
And thanks. I was trying to move on but I felt really under fire here. I was just trying to get this request out to as many artists as possible. I posted it elsewhere too, and didn't get nearly as hostile a response. I wanted to try on Maple too because I have genuinely seen some fantastic work here.

[quote=PashySpirit]@thedylan: I'm not. If you think I'm being ignorant, then you don't know about how the artist industry works.
I'm being very blunt (and probably borderline rude whoops) because this is the kind of junk I have to put up with as an artist.[/quote]

Obviously if the artist did the job and expected to get paid, but didn't, that would be wrong. If both parties are in an agreement, then I see no problem.

[quote=TheTot]Yes. Expect implies obligation. Like if I expected people so line up at this offer, I'd understand why you guys would be so defensive. But I came here asking, not demanding. I didn't effin' realize asking could cause such a damn ruckus.[/quote]
Chill out and move on. Some people LOVE to misread or misinterpret things, though I personally do gotta say you should have explained yourself better in your thread text. Artists may be more willing to try it out of they know what they'd be up to. A vague request like yours will hardly motivate anyone. Artists prefer some sort of guideline (e.g. topic), or at least I would, if I could draw properly. Saying yes to something unknown and possibly facing a task that they're not willing to do is rather bothersome (as they may have to reject you after finding out which would lead to an awkward situation), so it'd be great if you'd at least give a heads up about the topic. If someone expects you to want a maple-related pic and you pull something else out of your sleeve it may be a punch in their face

@thedylan: I'm not. If you think I'm being ignorant, then you don't know about how the artist industry works.
I'm being very blunt (and probably borderline rude whoops) because this is the kind of junk I have to put up with as an artist.

[quote=PashySpirit]@TheTot: Then pay the artist. That's all you need to do. You see, there is difference between you and the artist with this work you're releasing. First of all, it is [b]your choice[/b] to release your own book for free. For the artist, this is not the case. Nobody offered to draw you a free cover- artists expect payment for the work they do. Your work is also not a collaboration with him/her. Artists have no obligation do draw your cover if they receive nothing in return (also factor in the chance of failure with your book).

You probably didn't realize how wrong you sounded earlier, but if you're not learning now..... Good luck. Do your research before you open your mouth.

Don't bother arguing back with me because I'm not going to put up with another round of bad excuses.[/quote]

Why are you being so ignorant?

http://booksat.scarlettrugers.com/bookcoverdesign/how-much-does-a-book-cover-cost/

People caused a "ruckus" because you're being ignorant. That's it. Google can teach you lots so take your time to look around.
You can also make your own book cover.

[quote=jums]@TheTot: So you don't [i]"expect"[/i] anything, but you still ask anyways? Nice.
I doubt anybody would be interested anyways. You should go look somewhere else.[/quote]

Yes. Expect implies obligation. Like if I expected people so line up at this offer, I'd understand why you guys would be so defensive. But I came here asking, not demanding. I didn't effin' realize asking could cause such a damn ruckus.

[quote=PashySpirit]@TheTot: Then pay the artist. That's all you need to do. You see, there is difference between you and the artist with this work you're releasing. First of all, it is [b]your choice[/b] to release your own book for free. For the artist, this is not the case. Nobody offered to draw you a free cover- artists expect payment for the work they do. Your work is also not a collaboration with him/her. Artists have no obligation do draw your cover if they receive nothing in return (also factor in the chance of failure with your book).

You probably didn't realize how wrong you sounded earlier, but if you're not learning now..... Good luck. Do your research before you open your mouth.[/quote]

I never said it wasn't my choice and I'm not making anyone do anything they don't CHOOSE or WANT to do. Hence ME ASKING. I don't see the big deal! I'm not holding you guys at gun point, I'm asking if anyone is interested. If they say no, well then that's the end of it, isn't it? I'm not saying anyone is obligated to draw me anything. You're making me sound like I came here DEMANDING an artist.

@TheTot: Then pay the artist. That's all you need to do. You see, there is difference between you and the artist with this work you're releasing. First of all, it is [b]your choice[/b] to release your own book for free. For the artist, this is not the case. Nobody offered to draw you a free cover- artists expect payment for the work they do. Your work is also not a collaboration with him/her. Artists have no obligation do draw your cover if they receive nothing in return (also factor in the chance of failure with your book).

You probably didn't realize how wrong you sounded earlier, but if you're not learning now..... Good luck. Do your research before you open your mouth.

Don't bother arguing back with me because I'm not going to put up with another round of bad excuses.

[quote=jums]So you're making a story and you expect an artist to take his own time,
and draw drawings for your 'story' for free?[/quote]

I don't [i]expect[/i] anything. I'm [i]asking[/i] if anyone is interested. You all act like I'm being entitled. I don't see what harm I was doing in asking, for goodness' sake.

I'm down for a shot, what style are you looking for exactly
(got nothing to do atm)

@PashySpirit: Wow way to just take everything I say and blow it up into the worst possible thing ever. You're putting the worst words in my mouth. Again, if you're not interested, then move along. Maybe someone here WOULD be interested in the opportunity. But now, I don't like at all the tone you've taken with me when all I was doing was saying I was looking for an artist.

But now since I feel like I need to explain myself, I'll just explain here. I'm looking to delve seriously into the realm of self-publishing, as writing is something I've been working on for over 12 years and I don't want to see my dream fade away any longer. I was hoping to find someone to create awesome covers for said works, for I'm looking for someone to test the waters with me for free at first because my initial release(s) will be for free -- So I TOO will not be getting paid for MY work.

I have NOTHING but the utmost respect for artists. I have always wished I could draw, and I am utterly envious at some of the work I see on here. I have nothing but admiration for the lot of you.

Believe me, I am already SORRY I even tried.

[quote=TheTot]No joke, my friend. No need to be rude. If you're not interested, you can move along. I really am looking for someone to, hopefully, partner with long-term and paid jobs will follow. The first one I need will not be used to make any money*, that is why I am looking for someone to work for free initially.

I've seen some really quality work on Basil, and I was just wondering if any Basilers would be interested.

EDIT: *And the artist will, of course, be credited.[/quote]

"And the artist will, of course, be credited."
That basically sounds like "You'll get the exposure/credit, but no money for your hard work." Now imagine someone saying that to a doctor. Doesn't sound right? Yeah, I thought so.
You need to pay someone for their work. Artists don't just spit out work without time and effort, and you expect to get "free commissions"? Commissions aren't free. You're just asking for someone to draw you things for free because you're too cheap to pay them for their work from the start. No artist (no matter their skill level) should put up with people like you who try to take advantage of them.

@PashySpirit summed up what we're all thinking in this thread.

[quote=PashySpirit]"Free commission". HAHAHAHAHAHA. Good joke.[/quote]

No joke, my friend. No need to be rude. If you're not interested, you can move along. I really am looking for someone to, hopefully, partner with long-term and paid jobs will follow. The first one I need will not be used to make any money*, that is why I am looking for someone to work for free initially.

I've seen some really quality work on Basil, and I was just wondering if any Basilers would be interested.

EDIT: *And the artist will, of course, be credited.

Don't expect anything decent out of "free".

You sound mean. I don't like you.

"Free commission". HAHAHAHAHAHA. Good joke.