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[quote=nathan9898]I have an ACA 10 book if you plan on getting that far in your Hero career.[/quote]

I don't plan to buy it and pay the price of an SoK nor to I want to gift someone an SoK and risk being scammed. The gesture is appreciated, but no thank you.

@Polymus I'll keep the Coma thing in mind for when I hit Hero, but right now it's certainly serving me very well. I wasn't expecting as much Defense as Paladins, but having a lot of HP is an upside and I don't seem to be taking too much damage yet. I'm really looking forward to exactly how much damage I'll be doing once I hit Hero(Let alone after your Revamp). Thanks for the advice

@lansh I'll probably just go straight to the last Renegades 2H Axe from my Pink Flower Tube, but thanks for the list. I'm in Windia, so unfortunately I won't be purchasing that Axe, sorry

Since you like 2H axes, ill compile a list of 2h axes you should and shouldnt use.

Yes-
Metal axe (10)
Iron Axe (15)
Iron Axe (20)
2H axe (25)
BLue Axe (30)
Niam (35)
Maple Dragon Axe (43)
Beryl Axe (45)
The SHining (60)
Maple Demon Axe (64)
Crimson Skyslicer (70)
Pyrope Axe (77)
Legendary Skyslicer (80)
Helios (80)
COlonian Axe (90)
ALl axes level 120 and above

No-
Sabretooth (40)
1st unwelcome Axe (47)
THe rising (50)
2nd unwelcome Axe (67)
Chronos (70)
3rd unwelcome Axe (87)
Tavar (100)
Last unwelcome Axe (107)
Dragon Axe(110)

By the way dude, I got a level 130 2H axe, ill sell it to you if you're in gazed.

@Cthulhusama I probably won't be hitting max, so that won't be too much of a problem. I'm not really a big fan of Stronghold anyway due to my lag, but I'll keep Honsters in mind for once I clear my inventory of these 1.5x coupons by using them. They really just spew them out for this event. Same for my current Axe, the Pink Flower Tube. I'll probably end up just using a Renegades Axe since 300m is still pretty expensive for me. I wasn't planning on getting Soul Driver anyway, it seems useless to every Warrior but Paladins(For mobbing) if I remember right.

Mobility isn't a huge issue for me since I've trained classes with worse, so it's better than nothing. Can't wait for Rush tho, I'm not used to playing a class without a Rusher in quite some time. I'm maxing Coma right now and it's already doing great damage, so I'm really enjoying it even if there's some mobility problems, damage really does more than make up for it.

@Tricks122: I like Ginger Ales or Power Elixers for bosses since they heal mp too which is nice when fighting a boss with 1/1 since i can repot in one button instead of two but I'd rather save the extra money during training since Self Recovery can keep up with my mp usage for quite a long time even without a familiar. It's great for MP healing but useless for HP. It does get buffed in the warrior revamp which will be nice but not enough to make it useful outside of dojo or pot CD areas.

Don't bother getting Soul Driver as it isn't really that good for us anymore. Coma + IS/Brandish spam is better damage now that it only takes 1 orb instead of all of them like it used to pre-jump. Especially since soul driver got nerfed a while back. The only advantage it has is the larger attack radius. Not worth the effort IMO. Coma is your best dmg skill in 3rd job and is still better than IS at mobs of 5+ even when IS is maxed (Raging Blow is better once we get that of course).

Crusader mobility isn't great as Slipstream is only so-so but once you hit 4th job it gets a ton better with Rush as long as there are enemies around. Still not great mobility compared to bowman, thieves, mages, or well any other class other than the other two adventurer warriors really but compared to how it used to be or even to just a non-4th job warrior it is awesome having rush.

Pot burn is pretty high especially at bosses or Stronghold. We have tons of HP and a fair amount of Wdef but basically no Mdef, no self healing worth speaking of, and only one dmg reduction skill (power Reflection) which is cool but not amazing. We take a good amount of damage and even though we have enough HP to not worry about it too much we do need to pot fairly often.

We do great dmg until we start hitting max which is a problem for some fairly funded people. You don't need crazy funding to hit max like with some classes either. So no real need to pour 20bil into the class or anything.

For equips I would go with any old weapon until 140 where I would get the empress 2H axe which is like 300-400mil in Windia right now. Even clean it is better than a lot of scrolled weapons and would allow you to either get the 4 set effect (free 15 atk) with just shoe, hat, and glove or to eventually get the full effect (cape is wicked expensive tho).

[quote=thejman250]1. Uh, i take less dmg than the first poster at sh, but im higher lved. Basically, you will be using more pots than pallies and Drks(iirc).

2. well every class is weak unfunded, but heros do good dmg when unfunded compared to pallies and drks. We have different weapon multipliers and such. We also hit cap easier(with less funding) than them.

3. I usually dont use axes but thats just me. 99% of my chars are unfunded, and i usually lv with the maple weapons ( sword for my hero, and my ua lv 110 hero has a 115 carebela). You could just use maple weapons, then get a 110 renegades sword/axe and go from there.

- Another thing, i prefer 1h, as they have better potential than 2hs. ( im not talking about item pot like % str)

- Also, maple weapons are pretty cheap. Ive seen alot today actually, for many different classes. Been purchasing alot too lol, most very cheap ( when clean)

4. With mobbing, currently we hit 4 with IS, but after the warrior reorginization with raging blow we hit 6 enemies 5 times, with 220% dmg on each hit iirc

- Bacially, in a few months we will be good at mobbing ( or at least above average, and on par with drks?)

- Coma is crap imo, i dont use it

- Panic is used to activate chance attak which helps with our dmg, and can help us hit cap easier.

5. Training: well 2nd job is somewhat slow, but still faster than the old days. When you get to 3rd job, it should be easy (imo). UAs are ridiculously easier as well.

- That being said i know you already made your fighter, but fyi dont make a ua warrior, not the best UAs at all.

- After the warrior reorg. brandish is getting moved down to 2nd job ( once 4th job, lol).

- So training should be easy. Especially if you wont be in a popular map ( so you wont get ksed)[/quote]

Haha, I remember when I wanted 4th job sooooo bad for my new move pre-bb. Then my brother gets on maplestory on his Dawn Warrior and he has brandish so he starts killing and I get on my char and I have brandish too and I'm like, da-f? Anyways I hope you enjoy your hero, a really fun class. And also I got ACA at level 123, just get friends to help you bro.

@lansh From my experience it seems like the Aran card effect can happen multiple times within a minute, but it will only heal up to a certain amount every 60 seconds. I haven't been taking too much damage either, so even if the effects are somewhat minor it's covered my HP potions for now.

@Tricks122: Doesnt the recovery for the aran card proc only every 60 seconds?

@Cthulhusama Ah. I guess if I get tired of using this Jr Boogie(And considering the Familiar Glitch at the moment, it's getting annoying) I'll swap to Ginger Ales. I just like the extra healing on high HP characters, since I hate repotting. I'll probably be hitting Hero before the Revamp, unless it happens to be within a week or so. That really seems like a HUGE improvement at 4th job, I'm really looking forward to it since I'm already dealing a rather large amount of raw damage at level 77.

@lansh Recovery does seem to suck compared to the other Warriors but I've fortunately got an S rank Aran card in my character deck, so I haven't been blowing many HP potions at all

1) They do use pots, their recovery skill sucks, plus achilles got removed.
2)Quite good, remember that max ACA gives double damage.
3)If I made a hero, Id use a 2H axe. THey are cheaper, yes, but some 2H axes are slow rather than normal, so skip the slow ones and stick witht eh normal axes. 2H axes are good since they are ALways 2 atk higher than a 2H sword, as long as you just stick with the normal speed ones. Level 120 and above, they have the exact same stats as 2H swords. As for a 1H weapon, dont use it unless you have a good atk or %STR sheild.
4) They spam IS. COma hits more enemies, although I have never seen a 4th job Hero use coma. Later, youll just be spamming raging blow.
5)If you make a UA hero or do the UA skill quest, then you'll get an AoE skill (Soul Driver) Not sure how fast they train. Mobility is meh since Slipstream isnt spammable.

[quote=Tricks122]@dracox5234 Aren't Ginger Ales more cost effective after a certain amount of HP? It seems like you'd want to use the highest percent potion you can buy due to the massive HP pool you guys have, I hit 8k HP at 70 and to be frank, I'm amazed. Could you tell me what attack your Axe is? I'd like to know what I'd have to scroll or buy to get a decent one. I can pour a bit of %STR into her(Mostly all class items from my Bucc), and I can make/fuse Armor for 3% STR stuff, so I'm not too worried about that until later.

@seanchaos Yea, Heroes sound a little like Buccaneers in that sense that it takes a while to max everything useful(Although they seem to need more effort). It's actually really fun so far, Brandish was a HUGE step up despite the low mob count, which makes it so Coma really seems to be useful. I can't wait for 4th job, since if Intrepid Slash is as huge a step up from Brandish I'm sure I won't mind training a Hero.[/quote]

Actually if you do the math then even at max possible HP (99,999) a honster is better HP:Meso ratio than a Ginger Ale.
Honsters: 99,999 * .6/2800 = 21.42 HP per meso.
Ginger Ale: 99,999 * .75/3800 = 19.73 HP per Meso.

If you get to 120+ before we get our revamp than Coma is still useful at larger mob counts (and even at smaller ones until IS is lvled to lvl 9 IIRC) but once we get Raging Blow it completely replaces Coma thanks to it's 6 target mob count. Technically it isn't the same %per hit as coma until it is lvl 2 but thanks to the auto crit last hit and the fact that it doesn't cost orbs it is better even at lvl 1.

Oh and if you want to get how much our dmg increases once you hit 4th job? IS maxed is 60% better than brandish when maxed (on equal mob counts and it actually hits one extra mob so in larger groups it is actually 115% more damage), ACA is 160% as good as CA, and on 1v1 Enrage gives you 60% more dmg too. So just from those three skills you wind up dealing around 4X as much damage as before. Then we also get AFA for even more damage and Rush for movement which really helps with training.

@dracox5234 Aren't Ginger Ales more cost effective after a certain amount of HP? It seems like you'd want to use the highest percent potion you can buy due to the massive HP pool you guys have, I hit 8k HP at 70 and to be frank, I'm amazed. Could you tell me what attack your Axe is? I'd like to know what I'd have to scroll or buy to get a decent one. I can pour a bit of %STR into her(Mostly all class items from my Bucc), and I can make/fuse Armor for 3% STR stuff, so I'm not too worried about that until later.

@seanchaos Yea, Heroes sound a little like Buccaneers in that sense that it takes a while to max everything useful(Although they seem to need more effort). It's actually really fun so far, Brandish was a HUGE step up despite the low mob count, which makes it so Coma really seems to be useful. I can't wait for 4th job, since if Intrepid Slash is as huge a step up from Brandish I'm sure I won't mind training a Hero.

1-Expect medium-high hp pot burn and buying lots of honsters.
2-with me i got 0%str but a nice 2h axe and i do like 100-130k per IS slash without enrage and ~200k per slash with enrage (all other skills maxed)
3-2h axes are almost like 2h swords preference is based on look and what you can get.
4-IS on 1-4 mobs / Macro: Coma+IS use that for 5+ mobs
5-You gotta put some elbow grease for heroes compared to phantoms and demon slayers and such.
Also for 4th job heores are late bloomers so don't expect to be able to do very much till 160ish

@thejman250 I'll probably end up doing Hilla's on my Hero for ACA, Zak prequests are just annoying(Mainly the JQ, because I fail at it). Some friends will probably run with me so you can save your runs for another newbie Hero who needs his ACA, but thanks anyways

@thejman250 I'll probably end up not maxing Brandish, since I'm a bit of a perfectionist. I probably won't get as far as 17x, but I'll keep that build in mind since it seems like the logical way to go. I don't think 11 Brandish will be that bad to deal with anyways. Shout probably won't be too useful, but since Brandish gets replaced I'll just deal with a somewhat lower Brandish damage.

Thanks a lot for the help mate, it's much appreciated

@thejman250 I'm using Slash Blast if I can hit 5~6 mobs, if I can only hit 4 or less I'm using my level 1 Ground Smash. 2% won't make a difference and the extra range helps hit more mobs if Slash Blast can't reach. Exactly how long does the Darkness effect last? The skill doesn't seem to specify how long. I guess I'll just stick to 2H until I get an attack shield(If ever). I guess I'll have to wait to see if Coma does help me, it seems like it'd one shot enemies at that damage percentage pretty easily.

Is the build the same as the one outlined in the sticky? It seems to make sense and I know you're not supposed to max Brandish, but that's about my extent of build knowledge for Crusaders. I think the only UA that really benefits are Mages(To a degree) and sort of Thieves since I don't think they have heal moves anymore. Buccaneers kind of do since Sharkwave is one of the few non-charge skill you can use underwater, but UA just really seems like a short term thing to me.

@thejman250 I know every class does low damage unfunded, but I was mainly wondering if Heroes were a class you NEEDED to fund to deal acceptable damage, as long as I can train without too many %STR equips I think I'll be fine, and that seems to be the case. I'm mainly using Axes because the scrolls seem to be a LOT cheaper compared to Swords, and I really would like to cut corners where I can. I heard that you'd need an Attack Shield to beat out a 2hander, which I don't have

So Coma wouldn't help while mobbing 5~6 mobs? Or would Intrepid Slashing them, only hitting 4 deal more damage in total? Just wondering. And Panic seems to be pretty nice, is the cooldown a noticeable downside or is it sort of just "there"?

I'm actually enjoying 2nd job, it's pretty fast compared to the last Warrior I trained, which was my Paladin. Pre-Slipstream and some levels pre-BB was pain, although WK wasn't that bad and since Crusaders seem to be stronger that would be easy. I wouldn't make a UA anyways; I don't like the concept, can't be bothered to do the prequests and I believe the skill is useless for most classes by 4th job.

My Hero is my favorite class, and I find it extremely fun even though I'm only lvl 130..

@blackhead18 Ah, thanks. It's good to know that it's not going to be TOO difficult to train in 3rd job, since that's mainly what I was afraid of. Exactly what would the attack on a decent Axe be considered?

@Dausu I tend to skip on popular maps like Aliens because of the KS'ers, so I don't get KS'ed much

@guin1016 Yea, that's really the only part I'm dreading... I have a few other characters without skillbooks and getting them is rather problematic. I'm just hoping I can run Hilla with some friends or randoms until I can get it, since Zakum drop rates seem to be lower(Not to mention more difficult to take down, more annoying to get to and having prequests >_< ) .

Good luck getting ACA10. I still haven't after trying countless times.

I'll try my best and answer your questions but if anyone else has better answer please correct me
1. Right now I'm 179 and at Stronghold Drill Hall 2 I take about 2-4k damage and about 3-4k touch. I have a total of 16k hp so yeah I would say we kinda do burn through potions unless you can have Decent Hyperbody
2. Well I think if you use mainly 3-6% str and a decent axe you should be doing okay amounts of damage and be able to train decently and contribute.
3. Yes a 2h axe is the way to go if you want something cheap. However, you'll mostly likely have to scroll the axe yourself because finding a decently scrolled axe can be hard and same with the scrolls. I don't think 2h swords are THAT much more expensive and they are a lot easier to find.
4. Yeah we have to spam IS This is how I mob. Rush-Panic for the 1.25% boost from darkness-spam IS till dead.
5. They are kinda slow to train because you have to max out combo attack to get the most damage. It isn't that much harder though. After you hit 80 and max combo orbs it should be pretty fast especially with aliens.
hope I helped somewhat