2600k vs 2700k help
I've been looking around, and it has come to this.
Should i get the 2600k for [b]$289.99[/b]
or should i get the 2700k for [b]$299.99[/b]
Is the MHz worth $10? or is there more to it?
I do plan or overclocking, not above 4.0 GHz though.
thanks.
April 26, 2012
31 Comments • Newest first
[quote=koreantimoh]Get the I-7 2600k Sandy Bridge.
Friend purchased an Ivy Bridge simply to tinker with it (he builds computers for a living) and he tells me that any buyers should wait on it.
There will, without a doubt, be a lot of tinkering and minor "fixes" to the Ivy Bridge. Most notable issues were: (quoted from him)
-"It has a minor increase in performance, but seriously man, the heat kinda annoys me"
-"It's freaking ugly"
-"Not too big of a difference when overclocking"
Also, if you are building, try out newegg.com.
They offer many great deals through the iBuyPower brand.
I personally bought an insane gaming setup for 1400$ (after my friend approved it) that
gave multiple free upgrades (500 > 1TB no charge, i5>>i7 no charge, 500>>750watt no charge, etc.)
Hope this helps![/quote]
There will be no changes to the current Ivybridge line up, unless they release new chips as a direct replacement to existing ones which I believe has a 1% chance.
[quote=djpinc19]Not going to overclock? IB assuming the pricing rumors are true. However, TigerDirect's only IB on sale is marked higher than the MSFP. How much longer do you want to wait?
edit: ...and Newegg USA wants $350 for it http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116501&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10440897&PID=3332167&SID=u00000687
It might be time to reevaluate what this computer is for.
What is your budget?
What programs do you use?
What games do you play or plan to play?
Are there any specialized tasks your computer will undertake?
What is your monitor resolution?[/quote]
- Budget is around $950
- Cinema 4D, Sony Vegas, Photoshop, After effects, etc.
- Skyrim, maybe BF3.
If suggesting, please know that I'm using NCIX only to purchase.
- Simultaneous HD video rendering and 3d rendering.
- 1024x768, might install a second for 2048x768 until i get a new monitor.
Not going to overclock? IB assuming the pricing rumors are true. However, TigerDirect's only IB on sale is marked higher than the MSFP. How much longer do you want to wait?
edit: ...and Newegg USA wants $350 for it http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116501&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10440897&PID=3332167&SID=u00000687
It might be time to reevaluate what this computer is for.
What is your budget?
What programs do you use?
What games do you play or plan to play?
Are there any specialized tasks your computer will undertake?
What is your monitor resolution?
Now I'm confused.
Should I get Ivy Bride or Sandy Bridge?
[quote=SkyforthReborn]I got a i5 2500 and i can overclock to 4.1mhz and it's base is 3.3[/quote]
The i5-2500's stock multiplier setting is x 37.
3.7 + 0.4 = 4.1
...that's a 400 MHz overclock.
[quote=ultimangex]the rest is 2x4gb ram (1600mhz)
an HD 6870
550w
WD Caviar black
Will the 3770 be compatible with the rest ? and which of these motherboards, the ones you and I suggested, would be the most suitable option?[/quote]
There are no compatibility issues. Qwan's recommendation has a USB 3.0 internal header for cases that have front panel USB 3.0 ports and is guaranteed to have out-of-the-box compatibility with Ivy Bridge processors. Its flaws are its higher price and crappy integrated audio.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/cpu/core-i5-2500-2400-2300/slide-5.png
Turbo boost to 3.8GHz when using 4 cores (which is 500MHz over its base clock) -> 4.1GHz when using 1 core
Mobo recommendation: http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=70264&vpn=GA-Z77-D3H&manufacture=Gigabyte&promoid=1360
[quote=djpinc19]It depends on the rest of the system.
The two boards are nearly identical, but do have a few important differences.
-The ASUS board has the better integrated audio chip that is capable of 5.1/7.1.
-The GIGABYTE board has SLI and Crossfire X support whereas the ASUS can only accept one PCI-E video card.
These ATX sized motherboards have specifications close to that of the uATX ASUS board - recommended for single video cards and 5.1/7.1 audio.
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=66936&vpn=GA-Z68AP-D3&manufacture=Gigabyte&promoid=1360
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=63714&vpn=P8Z68-V%20LX&manufacture=ASUS&promoid=1205[/quote]
the rest is 2x4gb ram (1600mhz)
an HD 6870
550w
WD Caviar black
Will the 3770 be compatible with the rest ? and which of these motherboards, the ones you and I suggested, would be the most suitable option?
It depends on the rest of the system.
The two boards are nearly identical, but do have a few important differences.
-The ASUS board has the better integrated audio chip that is capable of 5.1/7.1.
-The GIGABYTE board has SLI and Crossfire X support whereas the ASUS can only accept one PCI-E video card.
These ATX sized motherboards have specifications close to that of the uATX ASUS board - recommended for single video cards and 5.1/7.1 audio.
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=66936&vpn=GA-Z68AP-D3&manufacture=Gigabyte&promoid=1360
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=63714&vpn=P8Z68-V%20LX&manufacture=ASUS&promoid=1205
[quote=djpinc19]Yes.
It seems likely.
Ivy Bridge is backward compatible with motherboards made for Sandy Bridge, but a BIOS update may be required. Thus, any LGA 1155 motherboard may be used for Ivy Bridge processors - H61, P67, Z68, and the new Z77 chipsets.[/quote]
Which do you think will be the better z68 option?
[url=http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=64104&vpn=P8Z68-M%20PRO&manufacture=ASUS&promoid=1205]1[/url] or [url=http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=61004]2[/url]
or if you have a better option for a motherboard within that price range.
*I plan on getting the 3770 (2600 equivalent?)
Yes.
It seems likely.
Ivy Bridge is backward compatible with motherboards made for Sandy Bridge, but a BIOS update may be required. Thus, any LGA 1155 motherboard may be used for Ivy Bridge processors - H61, P67, Z68, and the new Z77 chipsets.
[quote=djpinc19]Non-Ks have a limited overclock of 400 MHz.
April 29.[/quote]
So i can get the 3.4GHz to a 3.8GHz even though it's not K with a Z68?
and will it be on NCIX by May 1st? Will it need a special motherboard also?
wait for ivy~
Non-Ks have a limited overclock of 400 MHz.
April 29.
[quote=djpinc19]Yes. NCIX is a top tier retailer.
Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge are overclocked by changing the processor multiplier value. Many motherboards have made the procedure stupidly easy by including automatic voltage control.[/quote]
But i though the "K" meant open multiplier?
If i were to get the non-k how could I get it to 4.0 GHz?
By any chance do you know when the Ivy bridge will be out?
Yes. NCIX is a top tier retailer.
Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge are overclocked by changing the processor multiplier value. Many motherboards have made the procedure stupidly easy by including automatic voltage control.
[quote=djpinc19]Most likely AnandTech's overclocking article. It was pointed out that Ivy Bridge is hotter than Sandy Bridge when the two are benchmarked under similar conditions. Looking back at your original assertion...
...it's clear you ate up Intel's spoonfed marketing hype. It is also erroneous to assume higher temperatures equates to greater heat generation in-case you thought I didn't believe IB uses less electrical power than SB.
Don't get the K. In the USA, a i7-3770K will cost $30 more than the i7-3770 and the latter can still be OC'd to a frequency greater than 4.0 GHz. $30 can be put to good use somewhere else.
http://assets.vr-zone.net/15557/ivy_bridge_pricing.jpg[/quote]
When are they coming out? Do think an online site (NCIX) will have them as soon as they're released?
Is it safe to OC using baseclock?
[quote=CrayonScribble]It was something like at stock Vcore Ivybridge is only like 10% warmer, but the Ivybridge undervolts a lot better.[/quote]
Most likely AnandTech's overclocking article. It was pointed out that Ivy Bridge is hotter than Sandy Bridge when the two are benchmarked under similar conditions. Looking back at your original assertion...
[quote=CrayonScribble]It's cooler, faster and more power efficient at 4Ghz.[/quote]
...it's clear you ate up Intel's spoonfed marketing hype. It is also erroneous to assume higher temperatures equates to greater heat generation in-case you thought I didn't believe IB uses less electrical power than SB.
[quote=ultimangex]So If i don't plan on going above 4.0 GHz dont get the K?
What if i'm not comfortable OCing? What processor do i get then? still a sandy bridge?[/quote]
Don't get the K. In the USA, a i7-3770K will cost $30 more than the i7-3770 and the latter can still be OC'd to a frequency greater than 4.0 GHz. $30 can be put to good use somewhere else.
http://assets.vr-zone.net/15557/ivy_bridge_pricing.jpg
[quote=ultimangex]So If i don't plan on going above 4.0 GHz dont get the K?
What if i'm not comfortable OCing? What processor do i get then? still a sandy bridge?[/quote]
Just get an Ivybridge, the prices were just announced in NZ and the i5-3570K is the same as the i5-2500k.
So If i don't plan on going above 4.0 GHz dont get the K?
What if i'm not comfortable OCing? What processor do i get then? still a sandy bridge?
[quote=djpinc19]What is your source? There is a consensus and confirmation that Ivy Bridge is warmer.[/quote]
I'm not sure if you sure it but it was like a graph that showed Ivybridge vs Sandybridge at each Vcore/clockrate/temperature. Like three way graph, I'll try find it for you - it was one of the articles I read when Ivybridge NDA was released.
It was something like at stock Vcore Ivybridge is only like 10% warmer, but the Ivybridge undervolts a lot better.
What is your source? There is a consensus and confirmation that Ivy Bridge is warmer.
@djpinc19: From what I've seen at stock/low overclocks with the max undervolt possible the Ivybridge runs cooler.
[quote=CrayonScribble]Ivybridge only heats up when you overclock it by a reasonable amount. The Ivybridge takes a significantly lower Vcore compared to the Sandybridge, at 4Ghz, the Ivybridge should be able to be undervolted to around 1.0v[/quote]
The same is true for Sandy Bridge - it heats up when overclocked. When tested under identical conditions, Ivy Bridge chips are warmer than Sandy Bridge counterparts, even when idle.
@ultimangex: +/- $10, price isn't confirmed.
@Caeg: No you don't, you can use Ivybridge on H61, H67, Z68 etc.
@djpinc19: Ivybridge only heats up when you overclock it by a reasonable amount. The Ivybridge takes a significantly lower Vcore compared to the Sandybridge, at 4Ghz, the Ivybridge should be able to be undervolted to around 1.0v
The problem is if you're planning on going Ivy Bridge, you'll need a Z77 motherboard. Ivy bridge is good but it still isn't being sold yet IIRC. Also, if you're just using your computer for gaming, the 2500k (i5) and the 2600k/2700k (i7) both preform the same.
[quote=CrayonScribble]It's cooler, faster and more power efficient at 4Ghz.[/quote]
Ivy Bridge i5s and i7s run warmer than Sandy Bridge i5s and i7s. Minor improvements over Sandy Bridge make Ivy Bridge less attractive for overclockers aiming for 4.5 GHz or higher on air. Most benchmarks only saw at most 4% clock-for-clock improvements between the two.
[quote=ultimangex]is it worth the extra money?[/quote]
If you do not intend to go over 4.3 GHz on either the Sandy Bridge i7s or the Ivy Bridge i7, then any K-series i7 is a waste of $10-20. Regarding bone stock i5s/i7s, Ivy Bridge is the better choice if buying a processor now. It's not impressive enough for current Sandy Bridge owners to upgrade, but that does not apply to you.
[quote=CrayonScribble]If you're not planning on going over 4.0Ghz I'd suggest the Ivybridge i7-3770k for video rendering or i5-3570k for gaming which comes out in 2 days.
It's cooler, faster and more power efficient at 4Ghz.[/quote]
how much more would it be?
is it worth the extra money?
If you're not planning on going over 4.0Ghz I'd suggest the Ivybridge i7-3770k for video rendering or i5-3570k for gaming which comes out in 2 days.
It's cooler, faster and more power efficient at 4Ghz.
Non-K processors have a limited overclock feature that allows them to be overclocked 500 mHz above their specified clock frequencies. K processors have a might higher limit that is virtually unobtainable without extreme cooling and luck.
@djpinc19:
I thought non-k didn't have the open multiplier changer?
are you referring to base clock or something?
Sorry I'm new to overclocking.
They are the same chip. The 2600K is the better value.
[quote=ultimangex]I do plan or overclocking, not above 4.0 GHz though.[/quote]
The non-K 2600 can be clocked above 4.0 GHz.