General

@inemnitable: If ME is not possible then B-Step+Steal+Nate beats every other combo, LOLOLOL!
Anyway if ME is not possible then Steal is useful on 1vs1 and 1vs5+.
If ME is possible then Steal is useful only on 1vs6+. This implies you use Assassinate on 1vs5 though, which gives more %DPS but might not be practical.
Also, this is on purely %DPS, not taking any Damage Cap into account.

[quote=inemnitable]It surprised me too but it's not wrong. The reason is that Steal is significantly faster than Lolspellheim, so you get to spend more time doing damage to the 5th and 6th mobs with BStep. The difference is not very large at all. It's on the calculator, feel free to double-check it.[/quote]

So does that mean if you're at the 5 Cygnus Instructors, BStep + Muspelheim is better or BStep + Steal is better?

@inemnitable: B-Step+Steal beating B-Step + Muspelheim makes no sense whatsoever.
1. They both hit 4 mobs.
2. Muspelheim does more Damage than Steal.
3. Muspelheim does more hits.
Check your math because it's most likely wrong.

@inemnitable: get a dictionary and look up "missing the point entirely" i think you'll find your picture next to it. The question asked in this thread is "how will we mob zakum arms" also "are we going to suck at zakum arms". I was pointing out that post justice BS+ (even) steal will do more damage than BS+BoT does now, so in no way are we "worse" at zakum. and in fact if you factor in all of the passive boosts, we are FAR better at zakum arms post justice. Not that zakum arms have ever really been all that difficult for us

@VietDreamer: Hell.. if you count our passive boosts and the improvement to BS, BS by *itself* post justice will do more damage than BS+BoT does now.

[quote=Laguniroth]youre... joking right? we're still one of the best mobbers in the game.. Post Justice BS+Steal will be MUCH better damage wise than BS+ Bot currently is. That isn't even factoring in all of the passive improvements we get (around +100 weapon attack, more mastery, PDR, etc).
And "our mob skill was forever robbed by NL's" overdramatic much?[/quote]

Just wondering, because the range of steal sucks :

youre... joking right? we're still one of the best mobbers in the game.. Post Justice BS+Steal will be MUCH better damage wise than BS+ Bot currently is. That isn't even factoring in all of the passive improvements we get (around +100 weapon attack, more mastery, PDR, etc).
And "our mob skill was forever robbed by NL's" overdramatic much?

The delay looks like it's been reduced because of the animation, it's exactly the same.

I thought Boomerang Step had its delay reduced... Oh well, I guess we'll know for sure when the revamp gets here.

[quote=orangeking11]But compared to how it used to be, it's so fast.[/quote]

BACK IN MY DAY

[quote=MrTouchnGo]It's noticeably slower than most mobbing skills f3.[/quote]

But compared to how it used to be, it's so fast.

[quote=orangeking11]The current delay is like non-existent. xD[/quote]

It's noticeably slower than most mobbing skills f3.

[quote=MrTouchnGo]The delay stays the same. f6[/quote]

The current delay is like non-existent. xD

Some of the posts in here make me facepalm so hard...
1. B-Step's delay and cooldown is exactly the same. No decrease whatsoever.
2. Since we can't explode the arms (most of them anyway) then we have:
[b] 1 arm [/b]
Refer to the no-ME columm in [url=http://docs.google.com/document/d/1bkWe5O2G3UqTuoXIj5Cjz42wb2ckcv2qnpqq4kgGvC8/edit]here[/url]
[b] 2 arms [/b]
[*]20k-: B-Step + Carnival Edge + Assassinate + Final Hit + Dark Sight (5kp)
[*]20k-38k: B-Step + Muspelheim + Assassinate + Final Hit + Dark Sight (5kp)
[*]38k-89k: B-Step + Assassinate + Dark Sight
[*]89k-130k: B-Step + Muspelheim + Assassinate (5kp)
[*]130k-326k: B-Step + Muspelheim
[*]326k-435k: B-Step + Carnival Edge
[*]435k+: Carnival Edge
[b] 3 arms [/b]
[*]27k-: B-Step + Muspelheim + Assassinate + Final Hit + Dark Sight (5kp)
[*]27k-50k: B-Step + Muspelheim + Assassinate + Dark Sight (5kp)
[*]50k-87k: B-Step + Muspelheim + Assassinate (5kp)
[*]87k-489k: B-Step + Muspelheim
[*]489k-652k:B-Step + Carnival Edge
[*]652k+: Carnival Edge
[b] 4 arms [/b]
[*]22k-: B-Step + Muspelheim + Assassinate + Final Hit + Dark Sight (5kp)
[*]22k-48k: B-Step + Muspelheim + Assassinate + Dark Sight (5kp)
[*]48k-65k: B-Step + Muspelheim + Assassinate (5kp)
[*]65k-652k: B-Step + Muspelheim
[*]652k+: B-Step + Carnival Edge

*These are all [b]rough[/b] estimates of [b]effective[/b] ranges (not your displayed range) assuming you can't use Meso Explosion.

[quote=AlienVisitor]Here watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9HnTov8d5A

Anyways, you should really blame the DBs for stealing stuff. They took NLs flash jump and shadow partner first and took Shadowers daggers and some similar skills and enhanced them to teh opness! You can also rant about Phantoms when they come out since they only want to steal skills from NLs and Shadowers and not DBs.[/quote]
This is correct. NLs should complain more about DBs than Shadowers, because DBs took the skills of NL and shad before big bang happened.

[quote=AsnMapler]Youre not the only class who lose their major skill. Quit complaining. smh.[/quote]

At least sairs still get their ship mount and buccs still get their Saiyan mount. I still see the reason why they would complain though (trust me, a lot of them do, visit their forum). Not everybody wishes to become just another Bowmaster (Justice sair cough) or fires laser (Some of the newer jobs) or become something like a faster version of warriors (Shads and Buccs during justice).

I have nothing against the NLs of course. I just dislike Nexon for their lack of innovations and their tendency to fix, revamp and remove things that AREN'T broken. NLs lost their Avenger, and I hate that too, but at least they get BoT back which still gives me a reason to play my hermit. In my opinion I think Foreign Spell is a good addition, definitely more useful than Assaulter (Don't get me wrong, Assaulter will be missed). However it's way too situational to completely remove BoT as THE ONLY utility skill. Many jobs do not need more than a few points in a rush skill. But CB's will have to max it to get through training in 3rd job, which is totally unreasonable! Also, unless I try it out myself, I think BoT still makes the optimum combo with BStep rather than Carnival Edge/FS, but I hope I am wrong.

There were of course, other alternative. Foreign Spell could totally have replace the completely useless Steal in 2nd job. Or, lower it to 10 points at max level in 3rd job to give space to another more useful skill to make us more versatile (BoT, but any other non-rush mob skills could have worked).

[quote=VietDreamer]He said "no idea which BS skill was, i was talking about the one that spams you with 'not high enough to do this skill'" before he went and tested it for 28 casts per 30 seconds. I think there was some misunderstanding there.

I think BStep delay was actually decreased o.o[/quote]

That was a different person talking. >_>

[quote=AsnMapler]Deal with it like the rest of us NLS.[/quote]

You're right. Shadowers should reap what they sowed since you don't have Shadow Partner and Flash Jump anymore.

Wait, what was that? You still do? Then quit complaining!

Edit: NVM, I saw what's below that. I don't like the format of SP.

[quote=AsnMapler]"I mean, BoT forever robbed for us and given to NL."
It's like us complaining about how shads robbed our FJ. Smh. [/quote]

We didn't rob off FJ and SP, just borrowed. But Nexon took BoT away from us, FOR GOOD!

[quote=MrTouchnGo]Carnival Edge + BS, Meso Explosion.[/quote]

Thanks! That's horribly boring w/o BoT but I guess I'll learn to put up with it

[quote=33ask11]bstep, and BoT[/quote]

Nice reading, bud.

bstep, and BoT

[quote=VietDreamer]How about just regular mobbing? Still jump cast rush+bstep?[/quote]

Carnival Edge + BS, Meso Explosion.

How about just regular mobbing? Still jump cast rush+bstep?

The delay for Assassinate went down, not for Bstep or so they say ...

[quote=Wagner]i heard from some1 that the delay for bstep went down. although im not entire sure...guess we'll have to wait and see.[/quote]

I had a KMSer count BSes/30 seconds, and he ended up with 28. That's the same as it is now.

http://www.southperry.net/archive/index.php/t-54857.html

Anyways, you jumpcast lolspellheim, which apparently when timed correctly can hit all four arms on one side, then BS. Or something.

So after justice it is optimal to just spam BStep that we wouldn't need BoT right? Or do we use it with Steal, I'm saying in a general training situation like LHC/SH.

@MrTouchnGo i heard from some1 that the delay for bstep went down. although im not entire sure...guess we'll have to wait and see.

OT-
jump cast bstep with foreign spell. if done correctly, bstep will hit the bottom 6 arms. and foreign spell wont rush u while in the air.
bstep with vampire on the side. for those who are lazy to press jump every hit. (NOTE-foreign spell can only be used on the left side since zak kbs ppl only to the left. if u just so happen to get kb'd on the right side, you drop to the bottom of the map and will rush forward with a foreign spell, right into zak...not good)
bstep with steal on the side. like bstep with vampire, dunno if its stronger or weaker compared to vampire though.
bstep with carnival edge. not recommended, but still an option.

i just like that fact that we have a skill that pushes monsters <3
@FirstPoster o.o no delay = baws

[quote=orangeking11]BStep's delay is like non-existent and will hit 6 targets for 710% each hit. Sounds good to me.[/quote]

The delay stays the same. f6

[quote=Mean]Cannot comprehend this

hits 6 targets for buttloads of damage....sucks at mobbing.....mmmmm o.o[/quote]

I just meant specifically at Zakum. Since before we combo BStep with BoT and now, with.... um, Steal?

Cannot comprehend this

hits 6 targets for buttloads of damage....sucks at mobbing.....mmmmm o.o

They removed the delay? Cool! I still see people post things like "We have to combo BStep with Steal now." and something along that line.

BStep's delay is like non-existent and will hit 6 targets for 710% each hit. Sounds good to me.