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Meteor Proc rate

Hey guys. Have any of you been experiencing lower than normal proc rates for the meteor final attack? It says it's supposed to be 60%, but mine only procs maybe one in five times that I use paralyze. Is it possible that the damage is dealt but we just don't always see the animation?

January 3, 2014

20 Comments • Newest first

ImKafei

[quote=HopelessWorld]Does the animation slows down your attack speed like pre-big bang final attacks used to with warriors and archers?[/quote]

No. All you see is a random meteor falling from the sky every now and then

Reply February 19, 2014
koariv

It's not working right for me. I've been watching meteor proc for last month or two and it triggers maybe 1/5-6 times

Reply February 17, 2014
HopelessWorld

Does the animation slows down your attack speed like pre-big bang final attacks used to with warriors and archers?

Reply January 6, 2014
Sungoon

For me, it looks to be working just as it should

Reply January 4, 2014
xgrip2k5

:3 lol it activates for me quite often on mosters that take a few hits...such as bosses or also HOH. But i also find that the animation usually get drowned out by other effects on my screen such as other ppl atking, para, other fire animations and our summon. somtimes you can barely see the animation behind all the crap.

Reply January 4, 2014
kirbyhyper

Just did 2 Hilla runs, one with my regular equips (though only used Spell Booster and Knight's Watch as buffs [and Arcane Aim but it's not like I can stop that from happening without it taking an eternity]), and one with the same buffs but dropped my range by about 50k first. Got 2 Blizzard procs in the first run and 1 in the second.

Will upload if you want to see, but note that the computer I recorded on is a potato so don't expect any good quality or anything.

Reply January 4, 2014
Green4EVER

[quote=030999]Guess I don't care enough.[/quote]

This pretty much sums up my opinion on the matter as well, lol.

Reply January 4, 2014
030999

[quote=Green4EVER]Momijii's right though. It's impossible to tell if it's really a 60% chance unless you use a very large sample size.
It's just like scrolling items. Sometimes you pass them all, sometimes you fail them all, and sometimes it's something in between.[/quote]

The required sample size really isn't that large to get a good idea of whether or not it's 60%. Of course, you won't have certainty (and you can't, unless you look at how the game is coded), and you won't know if it's exactly 60%, but you can definitely tell whether or not there's something fishy going on with the proc rate with a reasonably sized sample.

Constructing a 95% confidence interval for a proportion with an error bound of .1 requires a sample of only 100, not at all unreasonable.

So let's say you test 100 attacks and get 42 procs, i.e. a rate of .42. Then you can be 95% confident that the true chance of proccing is somewhere between .32 and .52. In a case like this, I'd be content to conclude that there's something wrong with the proc rate.
This is purely hypothetical and I didn't actually test 100 attacks, but my point is that it is definitely testable.

From my own experience with Blizzard (can't see why it'd be different from F/Ps), it seems like the proc rate is substantially below 60%, but I haven't bothered actually counting and I put very little faith in anecdotal evidence. Guess I don't care enough.

Reply January 4, 2014 - edited
kirbyhyper

@Green4EVER: Maybe Meteor Shower and Blizzard are different. I very rarely got procs with it when I was still using it.

Reply January 4, 2014 - edited
Green4EVER

[quote=kirbyhyper]I'm willing to record a few Hilla runs (without Elemental Decrease or other damage supplements to get out as many hits as possible) to show a sample of Blizzard's actual proc rates. Should be similar for Meteor Shower too.[/quote]

I really don't see why it wouldn't be 60% like it says, though. I always use it whenever I'm bossing and it does activate pretty often.

Reply January 4, 2014 - edited
kirbyhyper

[quote=Green4EVER]It's so amusing when people resort to insults once they've run out of ways to prove their claims. It definitely says something about their character.

Momijii's right though. It's impossible to tell if it's really a 60% chance unless you use a very large sample size.
It's just like scrolling items. Sometimes you pass them all, sometimes you fail them all, and sometimes it's something in between.[/quote]Fun, isn't it.

I'm willing to record a few Hilla runs (without Elemental Decrease or other damage supplements to get out as many hits as possible) to show a sample of Blizzard's actual proc rates. Should be similar for Meteor Shower too.

Reply January 4, 2014 - edited
Green4EVER

It's so amusing when people resort to insults once they've run out of ways to prove their claims. It definitely says something about their character.

Momijii's right though. It's impossible to tell if it's really a 60% chance unless you use a very large sample size.
It's just like scrolling items. Sometimes you pass them all, sometimes you fail them all, and sometimes it's something in between.

Reply January 4, 2014 - edited
Momijii

[quote=QuizMaster]Independent probability. Look it up. I'm done with this ridiculous argument. I'm not arguing with four year olds anymore.[/quote]
Still doesn't answer anything. But have a good day.

Reply January 4, 2014 - edited
Momijii

[quote=QuizMaster]Not even close. Independent probability. Look it up, kid.[/quote]
Your's isn't right either.... You're not going to get six out of ten attacks with a meteor unless you use the skill enough to get an adequate sample, just like flipping a coin ten times won't get you five heads and five tails.

Reply January 4, 2014 - edited
Momijii

[quote=QuizMaster]Or it's 10/10 or it's 0/10. That's probability. Are you 4?[/quote]
Law of large numbers.

Reply January 4, 2014 - edited
Momijii

[quote=QuizMaster]60% is pretty good. That's 6/10. You don't get odds that good in Vegas...[/quote]
That's approximately six out of ten attacks if you are attacking over an extended period of time. Otherwise it's not six out of ten. Also, this isn't Vegas.

Reply January 4, 2014 - edited
Green4EVER

[quote=Momijii]In small scenarios that would not be the case. If you took a huge sample size (1000+) you would see Meteor proc around two times for every three attacks (hopefully). I mean, if it didn't turn out like that then obviously there's evidence that maybe it isn't 60%, but until someone sat down at did 1,000 attacks....[/quote]

Not to mention you'd have to test this on monsters that won't die in 1 hit since it won't activate by just attacking nothing.

Reply January 3, 2014 - edited
Momijii

[quote=QuizMaster]60% = a good chance it'll happen once every 1 - 3 attacks and that's obviously far less than what the OP said.[/quote]
In small scenarios that would not be the case. If you took a huge sample size (1000+) you would see Meteor proc around two times for every three attacks (hopefully). I mean, if it didn't turn out like that then obviously there's evidence that maybe it isn't 60%, but until someone sat down at did 1,000 attacks....

Reply January 3, 2014 - edited
Green4EVER

I think a lot of it relies on your casting speed.
If you use Flame Haze and Mist Eruption as your primary DPS, your casting speed is going to be quite low, so you'll see it triggering a lot less often.
If you use Paralyze as your primary DPS, your casting speed is going to be much higher, so you'll see it triggering a lot more often.

But yeah, 60% is quite low.

Reply January 3, 2014 - edited
Momijii

60% isn't *that* often.

Reply January 3, 2014 - edited