Only Ideas Exist, Prove Me Wrong Scrubs
Can you conceive of any mind-independent objects? I'll point out that even in imagining a tree or a house that is not being perceived by anyone, it is still being conceived of by the mind. It would be a contradiction to say that this object you are conceiving of when you imagine it is also unconceived. Try as hard as you can, you cannot think of a single object that can be understood without the mind or is unconceived. Clearly, everything that exists exists only in the mind as ideas and this "material" world you speak of is not true.
ggwp materialists
August 2, 2014
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Things exist once they are observed. Without an observer, nothing exists. Not that complex.
[quote=WontPostMuch]But are you really talking about anything mind-independent or are you just assuming something that is not true. Can you beat my master argument?[/quote]
Yes, I am really talking about things that are mind-independent. Like I said, of course our [i]conceptions[/i] are mind-dependent; that's what it means for them to be conceptions.
[quote=mitarumetaro]You're right for thinking that that would be an issue. Unfortunately, we can talk about such things, and we can conceive of them.[/quote]
But are you really talking about anything mind-independent or are you just assuming something that is not true. Can you beat my master argument?
[quote=WontPostMuch]But what would it even mean for something to be mind-independent if you can't even tell me anything about it or conceive of what it would even be?[/quote]
You're right for thinking that that would be an issue. Unfortunately, we can talk about such things, and we can conceive of them.
[quote=mitarumetaro]Sure, my conception is mind-dependent... but that's what it means for it to be a conception.[/quote]
But what would it even mean for something to be mind-independent if you can't even tell me anything about it or conceive of what it would even be?
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I have no idea. Therefore, I can't answer you.
Nothing exists outside of the phaneron.
Solipsist pls.
No, this is Patrick.
2deep4me
Sure, my conception is mind-dependent... but that's what it means for it to be a conception.
chill
wowwww looks like someone is taking an introductory philosophy course for the first time