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@bloodIsShed: Okay I'll give you that microsoft was the only one that focused really heavily on the multimedia features, heck they went overboard, but I was just trying to say that the wii u isn't a 100% gaming only console either. I like both consoles though. Also what started it was simply, 90% of the time when someone mentions the Xbox One, someone has to put it down as being a bad console for one reason or another. So debates start, and I love jumping into a debate when the topic interests me XD.

But @OT I don't know anyone that's won the Xbox One, but I've seen several people win the digital downloads.

Just a little Pokemon X and Y Comment Strolling through the crowd.

[quote=ox0Shad0w0xo]They even advertised being able to control tv with the Wii and being able to watch/play something on the controller while your family watches something else on the tv and being able to put what's on your screen onto the tv.
How is it not multimedia focused?[/quote]
having multimedia features =/= being multimedia focused
being able to play games on your controller is pretty game-centric if you ask me. you don't have to stop playing your game because someone wants to use the tv - you can just play it on your controller while the other person watches TV (so you don't lose immersion) even Sony saw value in this approach (you can play PS4 games on PSVita)
unlike Microsoft, neither Sony nor Nintendo boasted about being able to watch TV and make skype calls on the console (guess which gamers care about these kinds of multimedia features..?)

edit: back on topic (how did this turn into a wii u vs xbone..?)
at TS: didnt know about this, good luck for anyone who tries ^^

[quote=ox0Shad0w0xo]Now, onto the Xbox One and @imtwocats So your argument is that the Wii U is better than the Xbox One because it doesn't focus on being an all in one media device? The Wii U has a touch screen which basically means it can function like a tablet. It has a fully functional web browser (I can view any site with no errors, and it can play any video that is in html-5 format, just like the ipad's internet browser), a tv-guide feature, that shows you what's on tv and will turn to the show you want at the push of a button, their own family friendly social network known as Miiverse, and you can view all of this on either the touch screen, or the tv. They even advertised being able to control tv with the Wii and being able to watch/play something on the controller while your family watches something else on the tv and being able to put what's on your screen onto the tv.

How is it not multimedia focused? I dare say Microsoft tried all of that as an attempt to compete with Nintendo on the Multimedia side of things, while still competing with Sony on the gaming side of things. Of course, I also like the Xbox One, and plan to buy one if I don't win it (I entered another contest that is going to announce the winners in the next 1-3 days), because it does look to be a good console. I'm just pointing things out here.[/quote]

Nintendo has never been known to advertise a multimedia console, unlike the Xbox One which it's entire argument about being better than the PS4 and Wii U is the entire idea of being a multimedia console. The lack of care for games and gamers and complete focus on an audience that could care less about console gaming such as the NFL crowd is one of the most horrible business strategies I have ever seen in the video game industry. The Wii U however has never tried to be something it wasn't, and it never tried to appeal to the wrong crowd. It always advertised directly to the gamers and the family friendly audience Nintendo has always been known for.

The Wii U has never been multimedia focused. It included multimedia features but never boasted them as if they were some sort of next gen must have feature, while the Xbox One (and the PS4 on a much smaller level) have been throwing billions into advertising about how their console can watch football or display meaningless sports statistics. They were just there as extras for anyone who wished to use them, like the wii news and weather channel. Their primary focus has always been to the games in their own way.

Also just in my opinion the Xbox One is currently too risky of a purchase. Even if it does look like a good console, the lack of care Microsoft has shown towards it's customers and it's questionable business practices should push anyone away from them. I'm still surprised so many people forgot about the things Don Mattrick said and forgave Microsoft so quickly for trying to take advantage of them. A PS4 or Wii U is probably a better idea.

@skullowls The problem with the Wii U is that Nintendo released it a year earlier than Sony and Microsoft, yet for that first year they focused almost entirely on their precious 3DS (which is an entirely different rant for me). Combined with the fact that when the "new wii" was still in development, they claimed it wouldn't focus on gimmicks like the wii, and instead focus on the performance of the games. But now we have motion controls [i]and[/i] a gimmicky second screen (because they're in love with the dual screen idea lol) with barely any games worth playing. They could have secured a nice lead on the competition, but instead waited for them before starting to reveal more worthwhile games.

So, it's not so much that they are no longer relevant, but rather they made very poor use of their head start. That isn't to say I don't like the Wii U, it's the only new console with full backwards compatibility, and they have some good titles in the works now, so it should end up selling quite well. The Wii was also less powerful than it's competition, but it built up a solid lineup of easy to pick up and play games over the years which, combined with it's cheap price compared to the other consoles, made it the most commonly owned console out of the 3.

Now, onto the Xbox One and @imtwocats So your argument is that the Wii U is better than the Xbox One because it doesn't focus on being an all in one media device? The Wii U has a touch screen which basically means it can function like a tablet. It has a fully functional web browser (I can view any site with no errors, and it can play any video that is in html-5 format, just like the ipad's internet browser), a tv-guide feature, that shows you what's on tv and will turn to the show you want at the push of a button, their own family friendly social network known as Miiverse, and you can view all of this on either the touch screen, or the tv. They even advertised being able to control tv with the Wii and being able to watch/play something on the controller while your family watches something else on the tv and being able to put what's on your screen onto the tv.

How is it not multimedia focused? I dare say Microsoft tried all of that as an attempt to compete with Nintendo on the Multimedia side of things, while still competing with Sony on the gaming side of things. Of course, I also like the Xbox One, and plan to buy one if I don't win it (I entered another contest that is going to announce the winners in the next 1-3 days), because it does look to be a good console. I'm just pointing things out here.

[quote=skullowls]@imtwocats: Because no one wants to be forced to lug around a tablet when they can have a controller. If you create a product that's ment to be sold, then sales mean a whole damn lot. I don't think you understand the buisness side of gaming and if you don't understand that then how can you come up with the assumption that Nintendo is doing fine? You're forgetting they're a company. It's worked out well until now, things don't last forever and if they can't adapt then they'll continue to fall behind. Most people without much knowledge of gaming think Wii U is just the tablet itself, they suck at marketing the console and they suck at giving the masses a reason to buy it, which is why no one wants it, you can say whatever you want about Nintendo and have all the bias you want, but fact is no one really cares anymore aside from the Nintendo fanboys.

When you're selling a product, sales are one of the most important factors, if they weren't they might aswell give their product away, which might be a better idea considering no one is buying it.[/quote]

You aren't forced to. The majority of the games allow you to exclude the tablet if you choose to. Besides, the Xbox One is packaged with a $100 Kinect that nobody is interested in that you are forced to use in order to even turn on your console.

There are a huge amount of ways to do business in the gaming industry. It's quite unique actually. Maximizing profits can be done in a multitude of ways. Unfortunately, many companies like Microsoft and EA have opted to simply go for maximizing short term gains instead of focusing on long term benefits such as a loyal fanbase and creating quality titles. The idea you have of "sales are the only thing that matter" is the reason the video game industry has been flooded with horrible business practices and poorly developed games. Sure sales are incredibly important, however the notion that Nintendo isn't getting sales is completely unrealistic.

I'm sorry that you simply can't accept the fact that Nintendo isn't a dying brand. Oh no, they're not selling as many consoles as they had hoped for. Might as well quit the industry and abandon decades of work building up a huge reputation and loyal fanbase. You clearly don't understand how Nintendo operates as a company. This is the first time in 3 decades that Nintendo has reported a loss in profits. Give them a few years time or even less, and they'll be profiting again once they make a few changes and release some new games.

@imtwocats: Because no one wants to be forced to lug around a tablet when they can have a controller. If you create a product that's ment to be sold, then sales mean a whole damn lot. I don't think you understand the buisness side of gaming and if you don't understand that then how can you come up with the assumption that Nintendo is doing fine? You're forgetting they're a company. It's worked out well until now, things don't last forever and if they can't adapt then they'll continue to fall behind. Most people without much knowledge of gaming think Wii U is just the tablet itself, they suck at marketing the console and they suck at giving the masses a reason to buy it, which is why no one wants it, you can say whatever you want about Nintendo and have all the bias you want, but fact is no one really cares anymore aside from the Nintendo fanboys.

When you're selling a product, sales are one of the most important factors, if they weren't they might aswell give their product away, which might be a better idea considering no one is buying it.

[quote=skullowls]@imtwocats: The thing is, the gimmicks we're different then, and they worked for a much different reason where as, the Wii U's isnt, it was accessible to everyone, from small kids to old people. It not a few mishaps, its repeated mishaps, they had a whole year to get ahead, and they fell far behind in a month. They're not doing fine at least not in the console market, they're making money off of the 3DS and its games, and that's what they should be focusing on. Its not a silly exaggeration, but you can believe what you want, but if Nintendo doesn't turn things around, they're going to end up like Sega.[/quote]

I really fail to see how the Wii U isn't available to everyone. They've still got the same motion controls and such, just with some new gimmicks added onto the console. Again, console sales don't determine everything. Putting all your focus on one area just because it's doing well is a horrible business strategy. Nintendo should be focusing on taking advantage of their other IPs like Starfox and Metroid and bringing them to the Wii U. I'm sure the Wii U will get a huge boost of sales once the new smash bros comes out as well.

Again, Nintendo is doing fine. Microsoft and Sony can focus on profits as much as they want to while ignoring the gamers. Nintendo has always been doing their own thing and it's always worked out in the end.

@imtwocats: The thing is, the gimmicks we're different then, and they worked for a much different reason where as, the Wii U's isnt, it was accessible to everyone, from small kids to old people. It not a few mishaps, its repeated mishaps, they had a whole year to get ahead, and they fell far behind in a month. They're not doing fine at least not in the console market, they're making money off of the 3DS and its games, and that's what they should be focusing on. Its not a silly exaggeration, but you can believe what you want, but if Nintendo doesn't turn things around, they're going to end up like Sega.

[quote=skullowls]@imtwocats: You're whole argument has been "Nintendo makes good games" if Nintendo isn't making money, and they continue to spend money on things that aren't working out, guess what happens? They run themselves into the ground, remember Sega who was also a pretty big player in consoles? People speak with their wallets, and those wallets are telling Nintendo, very few people want a Wii U, because its gimmicky, lacks any console selling games, and its running vastly weaker hardware, so either make it worth peoples time, which they after a year have yet to do, or drop out before you run yourself into the ground. That, isn't an opinion, that's a fact.[/quote]

Nintendo is making money though. Look at all the Wii sales they had in the previous console generation and the ridiculous gimmicks it had. It was so successful that it forced Microsoft and Sony to make their own motion sensor games. The Wii U may not be doing nearly as well, however it doesn't mean that suddenly they're completely irrelevant in the console market and should just quit because of a few mishaps. The gamecube was considered to be a failure in console sales but in the end Nintendo still made huge profits from their games and fans.

Fact is, Nintendo isn't dying or any silly exaggeration like that. They're doing fine.

@imtwocats: You're whole argument has been "Nintendo makes good games" if Nintendo isn't making money, and they continue to spend money on things that aren't working out, guess what happens? They run themselves into the ground, remember Sega who was also a pretty big player in consoles? People speak with their wallets, and those wallets are telling Nintendo, very few people want a Wii U, because its gimmicky, lacks any console selling games, and its running vastly weaker hardware, so either make it worth peoples time, which they after a year have yet to do, or drop out before you run yourself into the ground. That, isn't an opinion, that's a fact.

[quote=skullowls]@imtwocats: I don't think you understand the concept of opinion. The difference is, laptops are still selling extremely well, Wii U's arent, which is my point here. Never? That's a massive assumption.[/quote]

So basically your entire argument is that sales are the only thing that matters when it comes to gaming. Isn't that your opinion then?

@imtwocats: I don't think you understand the concept of opinion. The difference is, laptops are still selling extremely well, Wii U's arent, which is my point here. Never? That's a massive assumption.

[quote=skullowls]@imtwocats: They're no longer relevant in the console market anymore, things aren't the way they were a decade ago, not inside of nintendo and not outside of nintendo. What a good game is, is based off of opinion, and they have yet to sell anything >I< consider worth buying the console for, there's no way I'm going to spend 300 dollars on a Wii U with crappy gimmicks and games I don't enjoy when I could spend an extra hundred, get a PS4 and get so much more. Don't use the term "gamers" as if everyone is the same, maybe I like the extra digital and media features on the next generation consoles, does that mean I'm not a gamer because my opinion is different then yours? The Wii U is still selling horribly, and its not going to regain what its lost over the past decade unless its made up by handheld sales, they control the handheld market right now, they should drop out of the console buisness and focus on that because its making them more money and they're going nowhere with the Wii U.[/quote]

Not relevant in the console market? That's as silly as calling laptops obsolete because people have been buying tablets. People are too quick to call Nintendo the underdog. Anyways, a PS4 doesn't offer much more compared to the Wii U. You get some slightly better graphics and a few exclusives that aren't even that interesting.

I define gamers as people who treat gaming as more than just a hobby. If you like the digital and media features, that's fine by me. Though if you buy a console specifically for those reasons and disregard the games, then I don't consider you a gamer. What I find silly is that these companies are trying to focus on audiences that could care less about consoles.

Nintendo has and will never be irrelevant in the console market. They've been doing fine for the past decade, and will continue to do fine for years to come. Nintendo has always been focused on putting time and effort into making memorable titles (apart from the few too many Mario games) and have put aside potential profits in exchange for a loyal and dedicated fanbase.

@imtwocats: They're no longer relevant in the console market anymore, things aren't the way they were a decade ago, not inside of nintendo and not outside of nintendo. What a good game is, is based off of opinion, and they have yet to sell anything >I< consider worth buying the console for, there's no way I'm going to spend 300 dollars on a Wii U with crappy gimmicks and games I don't enjoy when I could spend an extra hundred, get a PS4 and get so much more. Don't use the term "gamers" as if everyone is the same, maybe I like the extra digital and media features on the next generation consoles, does that mean I'm not a gamer because my opinion is different then yours? The Wii U is still selling horribly, and its not going to regain what its lost over the past decade unless its made up by handheld sales, they control the handheld market right now, they should drop out of the console buisness and focus on that because its making them more money and they're going nowhere with the Wii U.

[quote=skullowls]@imtwocats: Lol I'm sorry you what? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bDuUAuya4E

The Wii U isn't the best of anything, its games suck and that's why it isn't selling. You can argue about how much you like the games all you want but you know what? That's your opinion and if it was the best out of the 3 consoles it wouldn't have been outsold already even though it came out first, yes, by both Microsoft and Sony. Some Nintendo games are good, but some are really boring, Nintendo aren't gods and they're proving their incompetence in the console market repeadidly making horrible decisions as a company. Your whole argument seems to me more fueled by bias then anything[/quote]

I'm not sure what that video is supposed to show at all. I watched the majority of the campaign and it's nothing impressive.

The games are perfectly fine. Just because Nintendo isn't known for the AAA FPS Call of Duty crowd doesn't mean that their games aren't entertaining. Sure they've made some mistakes and rushed out the Wii U a year or so early, but that doesn't mean they're incompetent. People forget what Nintendo has done over the last decade. They'll recover soon enough.

@imtwocats: Lol I'm sorry you what? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bDuUAuya4E

The Wii U isn't the best of anything, its games suck and that's why it isn't selling. You can argue about how much you like the games all you want but you know what? That's your opinion and if it was the best out of the 3 consoles it wouldn't have been outsold already even though it came out first, yes, by both Microsoft and Sony. Some Nintendo games are good, but some are really boring, Nintendo aren't gods and they're proving their incompetence in the console market repeadidly making horrible decisions as a company. Your whole argument seems to me more fueled by bias then anything

[quote=skullowls]@Raika: Its on par with the Playstation 4 to a point where it can compete, so I consider it a decent next generation console unlike well...the Wii U. Ryse looks pretty amazing and I know the E3 demo's made it look bad but after seeing some actual gameplay, it looks really fun and the combat is a lot better and more complex then it seems, even more so then most current generation action games, its also really pretty graphics wise.[/quote]

Ryse is just a bunch of quicktime events and button mashing put into a little 4 hour campaign to show off Xbone's capabilities. Though the only thing that caught my attention in that game was the next gen jiggle physics. It's a waste of money, and they even put in microtransations which I find completely silly.

The Wii U is probably the best of the 3 consoles because it focuses primarily on the games and gamers instead of trying to be some sort of multimedia all-in-one package deal. Sure the gimmicks might not be pleasing to most and it doesn't have as many shiny AAA exclusives, but you can trust almost any game made by Nintendo to be worth your time and money.

[quote=Yumtoast]I go to the McD's all the time because I still get free food since I was a (shift) manager there for a while. Apparently they only come on medium fries and the expensive burgers, so I only ended up getting 3 stickers; won 2 game downloads and a Fox HD episode download.

I can also confirm that the odds of winning the xBox One are 1/10,001. Don't know why they chose 10,001 though, why not 10,000?[/quote]

thats a very small chance...yet theyre giving away 14,000 of them.

@Raika: Its on par with the Playstation 4 to a point where it can compete, so I consider it a decent next generation console unlike well...the Wii U. Ryse looks pretty amazing and I know the E3 demo's made it look bad but after seeing some actual gameplay, it looks really fun and the combat is a lot better and more complex then it seems, even more so then most current generation action games, its also really pretty graphics wise.

I go to the McD's all the time because I still get free food since I was a (shift) manager there for a while. Apparently they only come on medium fries and the expensive burgers, so I only ended up getting 3 stickers; won 2 game downloads and a Fox HD episode download.

I can also confirm that the odds of winning the xBox One are 1/10,001. Don't know why they chose 10,001 though, why not 10,000?

[quote=skullowls]Because its free and a decent console?[/quote]

oh just an fyi, you gotta pay taxes if you win the system. He's prob a Playstation fanboy.

[quote=Ness]why would you want an xbonono[/quote]

Because its free and a decent console?

why would you want an xbonono

well what ive heard is if you buy a certain item from mcdonalds that you have a chance to wina xbox one

I recall someone saying they won an xboxone but didn't know where it was from. Maybe it's from the McDonalds thing afterall.