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Yes. The new ranged classes far exceed the old adventurers now. Mercs and Mechs have a passive guard and buffs that can give them 20-30k range unfunded, while corsairs have to struggle for 30k range, have less defense, and only 100 hp or so more hp.
So, yes. Give me the freaking revamp already.

@xElevatex: a friend that had my acc out of smite used my ap reset and put it all in hp

@xElevatex: Lol its not even Just the lazer. Fist enrage=Canons barrage, and we have Nauti Strike -___- ? my bossing has never been bad you have to know how to time demo when fighting Cygnus this is my 2nd bucc . its never supposed to be easy which is why most of us have to accept a mediocre revamp yeah we wanted revamp but changing our entire play style just to satisfy dmg hoars and noobs that complained "Omg this class is to slow for us" is not what we had in mind. when you make a bucc you knew how the play style was going to be be but you chose to accept it and go on. When you play a Rpg you choose a class based on its uniqueness and your playing style not because its "Better" than the other class. My bossing was excellent yeah they could have gotten rid of some of our useless skills and added fist enrage but a lazer? Really -__-?

I couldn't honestly care less if it happened or not.
Either way, I'll still be playing my Chief Bandit and Outlaw as much as I ever had.

I do want it, but not all the changes was something I would agree on.|

Before I even knew about the revamp, I was perfectly fine with the skills a corsair had. The only complaint that I had, was the lack of buffs. We get booster, MW, ship, (should you choose to mount it) dice, (granted its not on CD or if you didnt roll a 1) and pirate's revenge (IF its active). Thats a whopping FIVE buffs! Wow. Thats a bit sparse compared to the tons of buffs that can be stacked with warriors, mages, and archers. Along with the fact that we get ZERO party buffs. It makes me feel like I cant contribute to my party when training, and I only slow them down with the handicapped mobility of my ship + the lag it seems to cause others. I also felt that dash was a stupid and useless skill. It helped me move around near 2nd job, but even before I hit 90's I had max speed/jump. Pretty much all characters do nowadays. And Elemental Mastery. I personally never used it, and saw the torp, cannon, and RF were better attacks to use. Besides the lack of buffs, and useless skills, I was fine with my Corsair.

AFTER I got wind of the revamp, I was overjoyed with the changes. Unfortunately, the change doesnt give Corsairs any new party buffs, but it does grant many self-buffs, to make us more useful to others. The revamp gives Corsairs so much mobility and power. 100% final attack, stance, mobbing skills, attack buffs, etc. I absolutely look forward to the revamp, even at the cost of our ship. We still get it as a mount, so people can still recognize me as a corsair by just looking at the ship

i dont really care, the only thing Me as a NL get out of it, is 70% SP and no rocks needed and QT

Yes, otherwise I'm deleting my hermit and selling all of my gear.

well....i want my UA maurader to be stronger so i say yes, and no.

Every Adventurer got their revamp. Buccs and Shads need theirs

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i hate it personally but . . .shoo whatever . . .bucc attacks are the worst in the game atm. Nexon really shoulda left em like they were from the rip. i had no problem with my bucc pre big bang T_T

Yes and no.

I want some of the new skills and physical training.
But i do not want glitter-smoke screen, and sudden raid.

I WANT TO KEEP MY ASSAULTER AND BAND OF THIEVES ;______________;

Plus i like the skill animations the way they are o_e

Life moves on, nothing can do. It's either you accept the benefits of the revamp, or just make a new job if hate it that much.

I want it. First of all, we need the damage, plain and simple. We have a hard time keeping up with most classes and aren't much of an asset to any group unless heavily funded. Sure Shads have Smokebomb, but BaMs have their version of it too and they provide auras for the group. We give haste. Yay.
Secondly, I feel Assaulter, while handy in some situations, is an example of a good idea with bad execution. By no means should it have been our only 3rd job 1v1 skill. If anything it should have been a transport exclusive skill that stunned and applied some sort of debuff. It's highly impractical as a damage skill. I don't really agree with removing it entirely, but it's not something I'll miss too much. I'm not a nostalgia-ridden fool.
I'm all for most of the other changes; poisons in 3rd job that stack in 4th job is an amazing idea. We shouldn't have to wait so long for something so simple. The Assassinate change makes it much more usable and gives it a rewarding feel. BS hitting 6 puts us on par at the very least with other mobbers (ME is great and all but requires too much of a setup) and Carnival Edge is an awesome looking skill that fits our skillset well. More hits = more coin drops = better ME. Plain and simple. Call us DB clones all you want, the playstyle is completely different. That claim is based solely on how the skills look and not what purpose they serve.
As for Muspelheim, I don't see it as necessary, but it's nice to have a knockback. They're handy and provide a good setup for ME.
Combine all this with our attk buffs, combo system, crit Smokebomb, no need for summon rocks, improved mastery and LUK/DEX buff... Yes, I can honestly say that I do in fact want the pirate/thief revamp.

BentoCombo's avatar makes me smile every time I see it

OT: Everyone's talking about animations, but if the content/effects retain their differences, that's important, no?

@UnBias: [url=http://orangemushroom.wordpress.com/2011/11/24/kmst-ver-1-2-409-thief-and-pirate-reorganization/]Source[/url]

DB-like skills:

- Carnival Edge
- Savage Blow
- Muspell Haim (resembles Final Cut)
- Boomerang Step
We are way too similar to DB's to my taste. [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPyQnkSKN6U]This[/url] looks wayyyy closer to a DB than [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52aL1y41MD8]this[/url].

Again, this is all my opinion. To you it may look like DB's and Shadowers are completely different, but I see similarities.

@viperxlr8: Just because a class came first doesn't mean it can't BECOME a copy of another class. Shadowers have TURNED INTO a bootleg DB.

The Shadower that was 'first', meaning before DB's were in the picture, are very different from Shadowers after the revamp, you must admit.

I want Justice to be served already...!
I'm tired of lagging people with the battleship, and not having stance. And it's slow as hell!

[quote=xElevatex]Agree with this. First on bucc forum now here. GG just stop

OT: Yes we need it badly, I honestly don't care about this unique or identity, how can it not annoy you that a bishop attacks faster than us? If you want to play a "unique" bucc then go to a "pizza slice" and reminiscent. Buccs are in terrible need of a revamp, this revamp will allow me to almost solo zak 3 times as fast as before.[/quote]

Lol then why dont you play a cannon then? because that is what our skills are similar to o.o

Yes, yes I do want the thief/Pirate revamp.

Why? Well, for starters Pirates and Thieves are left in the dust when it comes to revamps because many classes in the game have gotten several revamps in the time it took these two specific classes to get one single revamp (Nexon even decided to give classes that came out way after thieves and pirates a revamp/reorganization; What the hell, Nexon?). These two classes are also in [i]need[/i] of a revamp, just to keep up with all the changes the older classes have been getting, not to mention what's to come from the newer classes.

There are many other reasons why we [i]should[/i] be getting this revamp and why it should not be excluded or postponed any longer, but I'm sure others on this forum will mention them.

Nexon seriously needs to get their act together. After years of complaining about no "creative/exclusive content", they [i]finally[/i] decide to implement it, but at the worst possible time. I'm all for this Jett class, and this back-to-the-past event stuff, but seriously... I'm positive that the Justice revamp is what everyone was waiting for, not some small filler events like this. >.<

[quote=AlienVisitor]omg read http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2374083/0/Justice_PatchStop_it_with_the_Db_Comparison.html

[b]SHADOWERS DO NOT TURN INTO DBS![/b]

If you don't want to become like a "bootleg DB" then don't put any skill points into Muspelhiem, Carnival Edge, or any other skill you think is a DB skill. If you still don't want to be a "bootleg DB", then make a real DB and delete your Shadower, seriously.

You obviously haven't played your Shadower long enough to understand.. [/quote]

Our attack skills become way too similar in Animation to DB's.

Too many similarities

and I mean animation wise. That's why i say we are bootleg DB's.

They could have kept the skill animations the same and I would be perfectly fine with the revamp. Also if they kept BoT.

I want my ship to be removed since i cant train in LHC since it laggs everyone, and plus the new skills look cool

Screw transformation, training a marauder is filled with boredom and frustration.
What I know my marauder needs is a better 1v1 skill other than double uppercut, and a good mobbing skill. I'm sure the update gets me that. We also get an ultimate.
Double uppercut is their only easily usable 1v1 skill, but it has the smallest hit box EVER. Don't even get me started on using it in PvP, Other than that there's backspin and corkscrew which are basically rushing skills one way or the other (literally). In 3rd job they still don't get any new useful attacks. You have to get the stupid energy charge to use blast or drain, which are good attacks. Everything seems to get better at buccaneer though. I dont know about the other classes, but this update would definitely benefit me.

I really don't have an opinion on this. Sure, it all buffs the other classes. Which is something I want. I want others to do more damage too. But the revamp doesn't really affect me, since I only have a 72 NW and 89 DB that will be affected.

@PraisedAura: You are saying exactly what @Tersera: said, except with more bias. Read our conversation back and forth than get back to me.

Finally a non-biased poll

@xElevatex: and @PraisedAura:

I didn't make my opinion based on bossing. I made it on technique.

Also, @PraisedAura: Why are you attacking me? If you have a problem with me, than leave. If you can't accept someone's opinion, whether your disagree or not, why are you posting here? Please go if you have nothing good to say.

EDIT: Who are you to decide what I can say and what I can't? Please go.

I am entitled to my opinion, and you cannot change that. And i've seen my responses in the Bucc thread, and i've responded to them with much care, why don't you go check it out yourself?

[quote=PraisedAura]Why the hell are you spamming these complaint threads all over the forum

OT: Yes, I do want it. There's almost no reason to complain about it. To some extent we get drastic changes, but we still retain a similar playing style.[/quote]

I made two.

Yes, that's spamming.

Also, i'm voicing my opinion and asking for the opinions of others. How is that complaining?

[quote=PraisedAura]The quest wouldn't upgrade Empress's Blessing or something of that sort even when completed.[/quote]

You get the quest that raises the skill level after you beat it. Then kill it again for the drop to raise the skill level.

[quote=PraisedAura]Sorry to get off topic, but is the CK Arkarium quest unglitched?[/quote]

What glitch?

I'm really excited for it and you said they were making Buccs a new class with the same name, I thought they were giving them a new name too.

[quote=Jasonbird1]i do, i love the whole theif class, from its lol-worthy nw to the bandwagon db, i have all 4 and i made another ua cb for ghits and siggles cause i wanna see what it wil be like for a post justice cb-shad.. the pirate class, dont really care what they do to those overall wearing turds[/quote]

Oh yeah, that reminds me that tb and nw are part of the revamp too. Going to look forward to them making the koc version arkarium run much more easier.

[quote=9000][b] I just flame in every thread. No need to get butt hurt. [/b][/quote]

Oh, okay.
Time to delete my comment before I get suspended.

i do, i love the whole theif class, from its lol-worthy nw to the bandwagon db, i have all 4 and i made another ua cb for ghits and siggles cause i wanna see what it wil be like for a post justice cb-shad.. the pirate class, dont really care what they do to those overall wearing turds

yes my Cb is getting boring.

EDIT: Nvm. Don't wanna suspended.

[quote=rawkid08]My sair deserves this revamp. At first I was on board with that whole keeping the identity stuff, but now after playing it for a little while, I have realized that the revamp is GOOD.[/quote]

Same here. When I first read about the revamp in kmst, I hated it. Then after I think it over, I started to like it. They fixed all of my complaints I have about my bucc ( touch damage from energy charge, slow charging, the failed transformation system). Months after the revamp has been released, more hidden info about the revamped bucc made me like the revamp even more ( iframe from somersault kick and mount canceling).

@doodorz: I thought they just changed it o-o brb let me check

and Meso Explosions looks badass but idk if Nexon fixed it. Now, Meso explosion only knockbacks to the left and doesn't always explode near the monsters. That is the fix i've been hoping for.

EDIT: http://orangemushroom.wordpress.com/2011/11/24/kmst-ver-1-2-409-thief-and-pirate-reorganization/

Either it was deleted or changed to Muspell Haim (?) whatever the hell that is.

[quote=SrTumnus]i do , but i wanna keep asaulter so its a tough choice[/quote]

Assaulter looks wild.. it's now a rushing move, but it looks hella wild and dumb.

They deleted BoT, made SB and Assaulter look like trash DB skills, and Smokesceen looks like a grape farted. And I'm not too sure they fixed Meso Explosion (idk yet). Nexon changed too much about my beloved class.

I'd murder you for it ^^

i do , but i wanna keep asaulter so its a tough choice

nah i want phantom