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@fradddd: Basil is love, basil is life.

@LokiTheStrange: Yeah, Trump hired them all to build his casinos.

@BobR: Yeah... but Mexicans tho They terk 'er jerbs >.<

I'm surprised people are actually taking Donald Trump seriously. I feel sorry for those people; they must be dumb as hell.
It doesn't matter in the end, whoever wins the Democratic party primaries will end up winning the election anyways.

America is such a liberal country now. People who actively support Republicans are in the minority, believe it or not.

Whos that? Some British guy?

@xylyls: That's it... I remember seeing those videos.
Unfortunately it's really unlikely this will be a practical solution due to things like non-optimal solar exposure (the sun isn't perpendicular to the solar panels, so there's going to be losses), power consumption of the LEDs, power loss due to cabling to the grid and worst of all, dirt and wear on the glass surface.obscuring the solar panels and cutting down the output.
But it's still a cool idea.

You could make a case for efforts like CrowdSourching/CrowdFunding, KickStarter and other similar non-traditional/non-Capitalistic attempts to raise money and start projects as being another example of Socialism at work. For a risky proposition like a Solar Roadway where traditional profit-driven Capitalism isn't likely to take the risk of investing in an untried technology, it falls to the people to take up the cause of funding to get something like this off the ground. Once the technology is developed and proven, the Vulture-Capitalists will move in to reap the profits and buy out the ones with the real ideas for pennies on the dollar. The kind of thing Donald Trump would buy into.

[quote=BobR]Except that private companies don't care about people, they care about profits.
If you live in a rural area where there isn't enough profit motive for a private company to built a road to your house (and charge you to use it), you're screwed.
Same for areas of cities with low income people where the profitability of building roads is questionable. No profits means no roads. Fend for yourself, poor people.

During the 1930s the Roosevelt administration created the "Rural Electric Administration" to bring electricity to rural American citizens who weren't being served by the commercial electric companies because it wasn't profitable to run wires out to their properties. Because of Capitalism, a large number of Americans had no power until the government stepped in with a Socialist program to help them.
Without the REA, we'd likely still have sections of the United States that have no electricity, like third-world countries.
Same with telephone service, and soon broadband Internet service.

No private company is going to explore space on their own dime, there's not enough profit in it to justify the financial risk. It takes Socialist programs like NASA to take the risks, do the science and make the discoveries that all of us are benefiting from now (by way of private companies cashing in on the socialist research). AFTER the government did the heavy lifting, NOW private companies are using the government research to set up profit driven companies to go into space.

And certainly there's a difference between loans for education and completely free education.
In the first instance you can rip off students with high interest loans and private companies running schlocky ripoff "schools".
In the second instance society is making an investment in its own future.

@xylyls: There's a new process that essentially uses a formulation of glass to make road surfaces that solves a lot of the problems you mentioned, as well as allowing LED lighting from below to make "smart" road markings that can be changed to reflect traffic conditions, and which could indeed use solar panels below the transparent roadway to both power the smart roadway and provide power to nearby areas.
It's undoubtedly more expensive than typical concrete construction though, so I don't expect we'll see it in the US for a long time, if ever. Sounds like something Scandinavian countries might adopt though.[/quote]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNMFKKyFU60

this is the video I first saw like a year ago that introduced it to me. I'm pretty sure it's near what you just described

edit : another video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlTA3rnpgzU

[quote=fradddd]@BobR: there's a difference between subsidized loans and completely free education.
And who knows how good the roads and etc. would've been if they had been made by private companies instead if... the government and their contractors.[/quote]

Except that private companies don't care about people, they care about profits.
If you live in a rural area where there isn't enough profit motive for a private company to built a road to your house (and charge you to use it), you're screwed.
Same for areas of cities with low income people where the profitability of building roads is questionable. No profits means no roads. Fend for yourself, poor people.

During the 1930s the Roosevelt administration created the "Rural Electric Administration" to bring electricity to rural American citizens who weren't being served by the commercial electric companies because it wasn't profitable to run wires out to their properties. Because of Capitalism, a large number of Americans had no power until the government stepped in with a Socialist program to help them.
Without the REA, we'd likely still have sections of the United States that have no electricity, like third-world countries.
Same with telephone service, and soon broadband Internet service.

No private company is going to explore space on their own dime, there's not enough profit in it to justify the financial risk. It takes Socialist programs like NASA to take the risks, do the science and make the discoveries that all of us are benefiting from now (by way of private companies cashing in on the socialist research). AFTER the government did the heavy lifting, NOW private companies are using the government research to set up profit driven companies to go into space.

And certainly there's a difference between loans for education and completely free education.
In the first instance you can rip off students with high interest loans and private companies running schlocky ripoff "schools".
In the second instance society is making an investment in its own future.

@xylyls: There's a new process that essentially uses a formulation of glass to make road surfaces that solves a lot of the problems you mentioned, as well as allowing LED lighting from below to make "smart" road markings that can be changed to reflect traffic conditions, and which could indeed use solar panels below the transparent roadway to both power the smart roadway and provide power to nearby areas.
It's undoubtedly more expensive than typical concrete construction though, so I don't expect we'll see it in the US for a long time, if ever. Sounds like something Scandinavian countries might adopt though.

I am voting for Trump because screw these Bernie sheeple

My 18th birthday is in October of 2016 so I'll barely be old enough to vote

OT: I'm not a Republican nor am I a Democrat. I see things from both sides so I guess it'll depend on who I agree with more in the upcoming election?

Lawl, took the white house 2 hours to set up the rainbow lights for Gay Rights, but took them 5 days too half-staff the flags when those marines were killed (Trump was the first to half-staff the flags at his properties). People who OVERLY nitpick about racism and gay-rights don't have their agendas straight. And for the people who want to attack me because I'm some "uber-racist homophobic person", who are YOU gonna want to protect you; the MILITARY, or Gay/Race Hustlers? I'm telling you right now these Libs don't have their priorities straight.
("ISIS is the JV squad" anyone? Giving Iran NUKES? When a week before they were chanting DEATH TO AMERICA? I'd rather have a businessman than a community organizer as president)

OT: Well if it's obvious I'm Conservative, so I'm gonna vote conservative lol. Got the House in 2012, Got the Senate in 2014, Let's get the Presidency in 2016.
(I'm not racist or homophobic, I have friends of all kinds everywhere, but if there ever was a situation like WWII I'd LOVE to see how much people care about gay/race hustlers trying to get attention then)

[quote=fradddd]@xylyls: K thanks for just nitpicking the example. This is why I didn't wanna debate.[/quote]

Well... I was just saying. Now if we used solar panels for our roads. That'd be cool

@xylyls: K thanks for just nitpicking the example. This is why I didn't wanna debate.

[quote=fradddd]@BobR: there's a difference between subsidized loans and completely free education.
And who knows how good the roads and etc. would've been if they had been made by private companies instead if... the government and their contractors.[/quote]

The roads will always be bad if they're made with concrete. Concrete will never stop expanding and contracting, which makes it crack. And eventually, buckle / turn into a pothole mess

@BobR: there's a difference between subsidized loans and completely free education.
And who knows how good the roads and etc. would've been if they had been made by private companies instead if... the government and their contractors.

Trump is my hero. It would be a dream to become even half the man he is.

@xylyls Donald Trump has also been married three times, belying his claims for support of "traditional marriage".

[quote=DaBootyDisciple]He personally hasn't filed for bankruptcy[/quote]

okay, well his casinos / hotels / whatever you want to call them. He isn't as good with his money as people think, which is the only thing he has "going for him"

El Chapo

@fradddd: Lol... lots of people have problems with safe drinking water being provided by a community source, huh?
Lots of problems with public roads being provided to transport both people and goods (incidentally, goods produced by private Capitalistic companies and corporations).
Lots of seniors having problems living on the Social Security investments they've made over their working years?
Not problems caused by Republican'ts refusing to fund the upkeep of these public systems, but fundamental, intrinsic problems for "many people" with having water, safe food, transport and insurance..?

There's no "if it were to be implemented", it's already here. The United States is a Capitalist-Socialist system and it works pretty well, as long as the "I got mine, screw you" people aren't allowed to disrupt it.

Do people even realize Trump has filed for bankruptcy four times? Four freaking times. He is a business man, but he can't keep his money. He INHERITED HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of dollars from his father. He is not self-made, he's lucky. I don't want a man that constantly loses his money like a fool.

I'll vote for him, absolutely. Somebody's gotta get America off it's back and I don't see any other candidates with the balls to do it

@Icephoenix21 oh God what I have I got into... and by the way, can't a guy take a break from Basil? I was watching The Office.

@bobr you should think about starting a radio show because you're like a Rush Limbaugh of liberals. (Note: I don't call you a "lib-tard" because I'm not in seventh grade, and I'm not possessed by Rush Limbaugh. And don't pretend you're some independent no-ideology guy, please, save it.)

@abyssmind no neither of them are that great... for the U.S. Like I said.

@cuddymd the only news network that would talk about the cons of socialism is Fox and I haven't watched that for about a month. And even when I would watch it, they didn't talk much about what socialism is.

So now that I'm done calling you people out, I'd like to say what an honor it is that you'd come to me seeking knowledge on the subject of socialism. But, I'm not a qualified teacher for those things, and in the end you would only be teaching me (if you catch my drift). There are many more professional (and unprofessional) sources on the internet which discuss the benefits and disadvantages of socialism if it were to be implemented into the United States even more than it already is. (Yes, @BobR, thanks for pointing out that I forgot to specifically mention how the United States is already has socialist programs... most of which have caused lots of problems for many people.) So I suggest using Google to find the answers.
I really would like to see what would happen if the U.S. became more socialist. I really would.
But I don't see a point in going back and forth with all of you, when most of our "credible sources" will probably be theoretical or fraudulent. Sure, this is a copout answer, but what's the point of trying to debate when none of us will change our opinions. It's just Basil.

@LokiTheStrange: Except that Bernie Sanders' policies actually benefit people.
Trump's trumpeting only benefits himself.

Of course the Republican't Clown Car isn't memorable, they're all essentially the same person trying to differentiate themselves from the other identical clowns by focusing on some specific facet of cutting people's livelihoods, or making it harder for people to eat or get medical treatment or education so they can make themselves stand out from the other clowns to "the base".
Politics (at least in the Republican't world) has long ago stopped being a serious thing in the US, and has turned into an every 4 years reality show where only the most outrageous contestants get airtime.
(As well as big cash prizes and Fox News contracts.)

Meanwhile Huffington Post has moved coverage of Donald Trump from their "Politics" section to the "Entertainment" section.
If only the rest of the media would do the same. Covering him is only detracting from the rest of the clowns and wasting all the material their comedy writers have prepared.

@BobR: It counts for something. Take a look at all these [url=http://2016.republican-candidates.org/]candidates[/url], I can only speak for myself, but when I look at that list I only see a few memorable people. Sure I recognize most of their names, but they don't stand out from the crowd to me.

His wild ploys like making Mexico build a fence with their own money, probably have the same ~% chance of success as Bernie Sanders ploys (like free college for all, etc). It's all just pandering... people are racists, they just don't like to admit it.

@LokiTheStrange So being the one with the loudest mouth and the willingness to make up the most creative lies is a qualification for being President of the United States now..?
(Well, obviously Mitt Romney thought so.)

Can you imagine President Trump's first day in the Oval Office... sitting down at the desk with the Red Buttons and nuking all the countries that called him a Jackass..?

I don't always agree with Bobr, but when I do...damn.

Still waitin' on that reply, @fradddd:

@fradddd not sure if you even know what bernie is about or what socialism is. do some research before you mindlessly recite what you hear in the media.

@Elleee: No, just not registered. Too hard

@BobR Because he has "cojones", I may not agree with most of the things he says, but I do admire that no-apologizing attitude. Plus, have you seen his competition?

@fradddd: uggh are you one of those Americans that think socialism is like communism but in good way? oh geesh no wonder we still have to pay 500$ for a teddy bear that they give you in hospital

Donald Trump just "doxxed" a United States Senator today, releasing Senator Lindsey Graham's personal cell phone number during a speech where he (typically) engaged in name-calling and shooting from his ass. News outlets verified it is indeed Senator Graham's personal cell, whose voicemail box is unsurprisingly full.

This is the kind of person 24 percent of Republican'ts want to be President of the United States and Commander in Chief of the US armed forces.
How nice.

@fradddd Socialism is already well at work in the United States and has been since the very beginning of the country.
The entire idea of a "volunteer militia" to defend the country against redcoats is socialism.
Benjamin Franklin, a "founding father" created the first Public Library, another example of socialism.
"Barn raisings" where a community comes together to help members of the community build a new barn, is socialism.

Every time you turn on a water faucet or drive on a public road, you're engaging in socialism.
Medicare and Social Security are perfect examples of socialism.

People have a distorted and perverted idea of what "socialism" means because of politically motivated propaganda.
Almost every time anyone reacts negatively to "socialism" it's because a certain political party has misused the term pejoratively and conflated it with communism for political benefit.

[quote=LokiTheStrange]I am... if I could vote[/quote]
lol not gonna be 18 by 2016? hahaha

@fradddd: Why? Give me details, and not something that you copy/pasted.

I would sooner vote for [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermin_Supreme]Vermin Supreme[/url]

ron paul 2016

@Icephoenix21: Sanders calls himself a socialist. Socialism may have worked in the small Scandinavian countries but it will never work in the U.S.

[quote=fradddd]Oh wow.... I can vote in the next election.
I have no idea who to vote for and I don't really wanna vote.

@Icephoenix21 the fact that people are actually seriously wanting a socialist in office is frightening. Can't wait til we're the USSA.[/quote]

Not my problem, I live in Canada.

Although please define what you mean by 'socialist' in great detail because I see people throwing this around and then when people ask why, they wet their pants and run off.

a large part of me rejects that he is an actual candidate
like [url=https://i.imgur.com/0F6BCs0.png]this[/url] is the pic that pops up on google
even google doesn't take him seriously

Oh wow.... I can vote in the next election.
I have no idea who to vote for and I don't really wanna vote.

@Icephoenix21 the fact that people are actually seriously wanting a socialist in office is frightening. Can't wait til we're the USSA.

#feelthebern

screw that racist piece of garbage.

His hair defy the laws of physics

[url=http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/files/2015/05/DonaldTrumpChina.jpg]im just gonna... leave this here..[/url]

Trump is a loon, and anyone who votes for him is doing so either ironically, because he's a celebrity, because they're uninformed, or because they actually share his racist, bigoted views.

If you're seriously voting for Trump, do everyone a favor and place yourself in the nearest garbage can.

#Bernie2015+1

Trump is the biggest racist and he's not even sorry about it. The person who wins the democratic nomination is going to win the presidency. That person is Bernie Sanders.

[quote=KoreanTemplar]Bernie Sanders[/quote]

Hes to old he'll probably die in office.

If I were registered to vote, I'd vote for him.

But I'm not compelled enough to register.

I am... if I could vote