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@aerial we have always known that food that's been heat treated give off reactive oxygen species due to denaturing of proteins. Anytime you alter tertiary amino acid structure there will be radicals. these radicals damage cellular respiration and causes structural damage in your DNA. Thankfully you have DNA polymerase for repair. In excessive amounts the mutations accumulate and get passed on through replication. This is when it becomes a problem.

Eating cooked food won't kill you. If you're actually worried about your lifespan it's more rational to make sure you exercise than stop eating cooked food.

@andreaverilia: Just don't cook 'im, I guess.

@uwotm8 So is this moderfoqer @beefly good for me or not?

ayyYYyYYYeE, drink water errday

@piana: That'll do. Nevermind the Logan movie.

@piana: Honestly, there's always something that's killing us. That and the world isn't so forgiving as to allow us to lead perfectly healthy lives. The only thing we can really do to be safe is to bolster our bodily defenses and regeneration.

@beefly: McNuggets are delicious.

@wellness: Americans are made up of more corn than any other citizen.

@beefly: Well, I don't think you're understanding what AGEs are. They don't make you fat. They bind to receptors which cause mild chronic inflammation which you cannot feel, and this inflammation can cause internal damage to your organs. So it's essentially a quality of life thing, and anti-processed foods. I wouldn't be too surprised if processed foods are messing with us since they aren't what our bodies evolved to eat.

@aerial: I don't think there's anyone left to discuss with.

Well we bumped the thread so I said it too soon.

@beefly: That's such a flawed logic. Everything has something wrong with it. Of course. But that doesn't mean you can't be aware of things that are worse for you. Instead, let's turn a blind eye and choose to ignore the facts because that's just more convenient. Fk trying to eat well and live a healthy lifestyle. That's so "vegan and gaga like".

Again, you are just trying to trivialize this instead of having an actual discussion.

@ecarina: I'm only recommending him things that vegans or the like go gaga for.

@aerial: Everything has something wrong with it. Literally nobody or nothing is perfect. I brought exercise up because it is usually important to one's health, and not just for weight loss.

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@beefly: Kale has a high oxalate content, which can contribute to the formation of kidney stones.
Source: my doctor told me to avoid kale (among other things).
Nothing is 100% good for you.

Well, the way I see it, the problem is we don't know if the methods they employed are 100% accurate, and we don't know how the stuff will really affect us. Also, the list isn't extensive enough. People have different cooking methods and ingredients for their food. How will we really know what's optimal and if our bodies are inflammed?

@beefly: First of all, this isn't even remotely related to weight or fat loss. So I don't even know why are you are bringing that up.

And also, avoiding eating grilled/bbq meat, butter and bacon everyday doesn't mean you have to eat meat raw. Again, it's not that hard to understand that I was exaggerating when I said cooking things are bad for you if you even read anything about my post.

No, I am not searching for the next miracle food. But I am not ignorant enough like you to trivialize a major health implication in our diet that modern science has recently uncovered just because it sounds too "health conscious". Because god forbid I can't eat my bbq everyday and feel good about it.

God you sound like a liberal women in her late 20s. Are you searching for the next 'miracle food'? Quinoa and kale not good enough for you?

Just go get tapeworms then or salmonella like the guy above me said. Like I said, exercise is more important than diet when it comes to weight/fat loss.
Or just go vegan, livestock is a growing issue and is #1(?) in habitat destruction (and by subtracting the cut down trees that took out CO2, can potentially be a bigger contributor to global warming than automobiles.)

Imma go eat raw chicken instead then Mannnn
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@uwotm8:

"The fact that the modern diet is a large source of AGEs is now well-documented (3,7,13). Because it had previously been assumed that dietary AGEs (dAGEs) are poorly absorbed, their potential role in human health and disease was largely ignored. However, recent studies with the oral administration of a single AGE-rich meal to human beings as well as labeled single protein-AGEs or diets enriched with specific AGEs such as MG to mice clearly show that dAGEs are absorbed and contribute significantly to the body's AGE pool (14-16)."

"As mentioned before, foods rich in both protein and fat, mostly of animal origin, and cooked at high and dry heat, such as in broiling, grilling, frying, and roasting, tend to be the richest dietary sources of AGEs, whereas low-fat, carbohydrate-rich foods tend to be relatively low in AGEs."

"AGEs are important in clinical science because they are associated with OS and inflammation, processes that eventually cause most chronic diseases, including cardiovascular disease, diabetes, chronic kidney disease (CKD), and neurodegenerative diseases"

Obviously I was speaking in hyperbole when I said cooking things are bad for you and it makes you die. But there's no denying that eating things like oven-roasted meat/chicken too frequently will contribute to chronic inflammation. And inflammation is pretty much the #1 cause in aging and age-related diseases.

you know how browning the meat/roasting nuts/grilling the chicken makes them incredibly tasty versus just cooking them in gentle low heat? that's known as the Maillard reaction. apparently this reaction very slowly happens in our body as well because of the sugar, fat and protein present. and the end result is glycation of cells (AGEs). This increases with age, binds to every cell in your body and accumulates over time. there's two major ways you can contribute to this process. letting your blood sugar go out of control (untreated diabetes) so that the sugar needed for the malliard reaction to happen in your body is abundant. Or... eating food already high in AGE (the end product of the malliard reaction) which according to these studies and many more, is pretty much indistinguishable to our body from the naturally produced AGEs.

And this isn't some pseudo science hipster diet bs like the gluten free movement. There are literally hundreds of studies researching and proving the nasty effects of dietary AGEs.