One vs two h sword Inquirey
Since everyone seems to be raving about how warriors can break the speed cap with green monster park extreme pots, wouldn't the most viable end game of end game weapons be a red katanna/ a maple pyrope sword (since those are fast 4 while other one h swords aside of the lunchbox are only fast 5)? Sure they have low attack and the red katanna has tier 2 potential but if a warrior was able to cap regardless, wouldn't the extra speed level be better?
December 29, 2014
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In my opinion, the only reason to go two-handed is wear a Ryude's Sword. If you have a Ryude's Sword, you need to rethink what you are doing as a hero. You must really love the class to not play a kaiser if you have a Ryude's. If you have one, it is implied you play a kaiser.
Most two-handed weapons are normal(6) and most one-handed weapons are fast(5). With booster (-2), inner ability (-1), green monster park extreme potion (-1), and decent speed infusion (-1), you can get the hard cap of 0. If a hero were to cap regardless, they would not have to cast decent speed infusion. I suppose that saves some hassle. However, 30% boss will be gone from the fafnir weapon, 30% will be gone from the fafnir set bonus, and a lot of attack would be gone from the weapon. The 10% multiplicative PDR on a fafnir weapon is insignificant. Given your condition that the hypothetical hero caps regardless, it would be beneficial.
If you strangely opt for the Ryude's Sword option, two things must be considered: the extra lines of 50m dealt and the loss of one attack speed.
AFA gives two hits at a rate of 60%, adding on average 1.2 hits per raging blow. If we compare Ryude's to a one-handed weapon...
8.2/7.2 = +13.9%
I doubt losing one weapon attack speed will be -13.9% damage. In terms of raw DPS, Ryude should win. Of course this should not be the way we think. Practically, one-handed heroes and Ryude users can all kill the same things (lol Dorothy). The idea is entertaining but if you want DPS, do not play a hero. Being able to hit quickly is essential to survivability at end-game bosses. I find it especially useful at Gollux and Chaos Vellum.
It's a nice idea but, set bonuses and %boss and %ignore on items adds a whole lot of damage.
Also some classes when they get too fast (like bam/db) can just dc you when you attack fast enough.
Anyone know what's the total number of hits/min for ryude and 1h assuming speed1 and 0 respectively?
While on the topic of efficiency, you may also consider Ryude's sword, which adds +1 line to some attacks. It has "Normal" speed and is a 2H sword. It's obviously crazy expensive but yea, just thought I'd throw that into this thread.
Personally, how I see it is that 1H sword + shield would be better since shield can be scrolled and carries a much higher resale value, but if you're CRAZY funded, then secondary + Ryude's sword would work.
[quote=Seroxyn]All 1-handed swords aren't fast 4, if they were you'd be hitting speed cap with only booster, which you don't.
OT: I've also noticed that there isn't a difference in attack speed from say (0) to (-1 or -2) which leads me to believe the hard speed cap is (0).[/quote]
Interesting find! So even with green mpe pots the speed cap is seemingly 0. So ideally depending on speed buffs a ryudes sword with booster (would become fast 4), decent si (fast3), inner ability +1 att speed (fast 2), green mpe pot (fast 1), either yellow aura or regular si or some other buff that boosts speed by an additional level would be the damage ideal (given you have all variables present at the time which are more or less all pretty hard to keep consistent)?
Otherwise, a one handed sword would be the ideal as it is a bit easier to reach max speed assuming faster 0?
@ the post above, they never updated all one handed swords to fast four. Post bb, there were still quite a few heroes and eventually ua pallies running around with an rk or pyrope setup (although this began to phase out with empress equips and once potential became more common).
@Seroxyn: they should be, nexon even said it themselves. (note this was right after BB, so i cant be bothered to find sources)
[quote=UnFocusHero]all 1h swords are fast 4 now, been so for a while too[/quote]
All 1-handed swords aren't fast 4, if they were you'd be hitting speed cap with only booster, which you don't.
OT: I've also noticed that there isn't a difference in attack speed from say (0) to (-1 or -2) which leads me to believe the hard speed cap is (0).
all 1h swords are fast 4 now, been so for a while too
Think speed0 is the lowest you can go. I've had enough stacked to go into -2 before and found no difference.