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Sigh... Reading some of this stuff makes me hate the revamp even more...

BTW guys, I thought I mentioned that the old Taunt doesnt work with SP as well. The new taunt might have not been coded to work with SP yet, so that is probably why SP is not being applied. But if that is how Taunt is going to be... I want the Reinforcements back on Shadow Splitter. Taunt is worthless to me other than the exp/drop if they dont add in the SP effect.

I'm wondering how big MoA's radius is... also I was really hoping Showdown Challenge would be a bind but no. Also, give us Shadow Meld.

According to the %'s, using Showdown Challenge(Taunt) would only be useful when fighting MORE than 3 enemies...
That truly is sad. All I ask is that they make the change for Taunt to work with Shadow Partner. That way it would be useful when fighting just 2+ enemies.
Not to mention, actually be BETTER than our old shadesplit because currently, it's worse.

Edit: and @TerYanPui : Only our Purge Zone(Purge Area) will need a hyper skill to affect bosses. Our new Taunt will affect bosses either way.

I absolutely hate the idea of taunt being their main mobbing skill at 4th job.

@Bleky
If you put the Hyper Skill for it, it will.

[quote=Bleky]Will this improved taunt work on boss mobs? Like at LHC and SH?[/quote]
Apparently so. That's a nice change.
Use it on Zak arms, partner up with a DemonSlayer using Cry, get a pile of boosted exp. Yum.

@caryofilles: I totally forgot we had a dark sight skill I never used it because it just felt so useless lol, but now that it avoids magnus rocks and stuff it's so much more useful.

Will this improved taunt work on boss mobs? Like at LHC and SH?

[quote=TripleBladez]@bubblecup118: Yeah. There's a few other things that I'd like us to have as well: vertical mobility (maybe downward too), and survivability (lacking an Evasion Rate, defense multiplier, and damage reduction).[/quote]

Yes, upward mobility, we really should get, downward mobility don't really care cause of downward jump anyway.

Survivability, we really need something to complement shadow shifter.

@bubblecup118: Yeah. There's a few other things that I'd like us to have as well: vertical mobility (maybe downward too), and survivability (lacking an Evasion Rate, defense multiplier, and damage reduction).

[quote=TripleBladez]@bubblecup118: Crap, good catch. I'll fix the calculations, but that doesn't look good if it doesn't work with SP.[/quote]

Hope KMS player complain about this otherwise our mobbing has became crap

@bubblecup118: I'm disappointed.

New Taunt with Reinforce at faster (2) speeds of 750 ms: 1978% damage per second to 1 target.

If it had SP, it would be 3362% damage per second. That's a crucial loss of -1384%.

I honestly cannot even believe that nexon even considered releasing such a joke after doing the warrior/mage/bowman revamps. This "revamp" is hardly a few skill changes while warriors, mages, and bowmen get completely new skills and playstyles. Disappointed.

@bubblecup118: Crap, good catch. I'll fix the calculations, but that doesn't look good if it doesn't work with SP.

[quote=OmgItsMazz]New Shade Split is pretty cool, needs more range though. Quad Throw still looks too awkward

I'd probably make one (or turn my Shadower into one..) if they made Quad Throw look less horrible.[/quote]
Quad Throw looks horrible? I always thought it was pretty cool...

I agree that we were expecting more but it does solve some issues we had

- Finally 4th job mobber, it even debuffs and give +30% exp and drop rate. However I prefer it to be a passive effect so we don't have to keep switching between that and QS/QT
- Claw expert gives +15 max crit damage but we lost +15% avoid
- Double flash jump however no upward flash jump -_-, what is this?
- QT nice buff
- Frailty Curse works in bosses = good, requires 1 point on a hyper = BAD, +10% boss damage passive = GOOD
- Specialised skill is aright, I like the stars flying around

@JoshKimODPC Quad star went from 293% --> 378%

@TripleBladez Do I see that 4th job mobber doesn't work with SP?

@Bleky: I would say a little more than a minor buff. But I do agree with you. There were things I was hoping for too, but I'm not at all disappointed with these changes as it is. A little more avoid, hp, or defense would have been nice along with a vertical flash jump, but I'm cool with what we got.

I'm going to enjoy being able to use dark sight whenever I want without having to recast haste and getting that extra 30% exp/drop from using taunt as our main mobbing. I wonder if the 30% bonus still applies even if we 1hko the mobs with showdown challenge(Taunt)?

[quote=caryofilles]I actually really like the changes now. We get a major boost in dmg AND a 4th job mobbing skill. Dark Sight now has a much greater purpose and basically gives us god mode inside Magnus. Double FJ, increased min/max critical dmg, Purge zone works (plus an added bonus of 10% boss =D), and we get a total of 55% pdr without having to touch anything else. That'll save us from having to waste a weapon neb/potential. 30% pdr from Dark Harmony, 25% from expert throwing star handling, 30% from leafre set, and 15% from lvl 2 lumi skill. That equal 100%. Not to mention our special skill which basically improves our mobbing further by giving somewhat of a Phantom style AFA to us. Mark of Night Lord: Mark of Assassin's damage is increased to 60% + 3% per character level, and its number of monsters hit is increased to 4. At lvl 200, those extra stars flying out would deal 660% dmg and can hit up to 4 monsters.[/quote]

While although we did get a minor buff, there are many things that could have been done that everyone had been asking for.

The Pre Big Bang bad boys are no longer bad boys. They are now well suited gentlemen with stable jobs.

I actually really like the changes now. We get a major boost in dmg AND a 4th job mobbing skill. Dark Sight now has a much greater purpose and basically gives us god mode inside Magnus. Double FJ, increased min/max critical dmg, Purge zone works (plus an added bonus of 10% boss =D), and we get a total of 55% pdr without having to touch anything else. That'll save us from having to waste a weapon neb/potential. 30% pdr from Dark Harmony, 25% from expert throwing star handling, 30% from leafre set, and 15% from lvl 2 lumi skill. That equal 100%. Not to mention our special skill which basically improves our mobbing further by giving somewhat of a Phantom style AFA to us. Mark of Night Lord: Mark of Assassin's damage is increased to 60% + 3% per character level, and its number of monsters hit is increased to 4. At lvl 200, those extra stars flying out would deal 660% dmg and can hit up to 4 monsters.

Well, to be honest i dont get whats the difference between the QT animations. Can someone tell me?

@Impf: Nevermind. It looks like the new Taunt will be our 4th job mobbing skill. It's stronger than the newly nerfed Shade Split. xD

Gonna revamp NLs and make them somewhat relevant again! LOLNOPE.

shade splitter is the best mobbing skill NLs have, and its super weak...NLs are always getting shoved aside when it comes to revamps.

Big surprise NL's gets shafted again.

I know we got many changes from justice patch, but I was expecting more than this from RED. I thought they were working really hard on thieves and pirates since there wasn't any patch last week.

[quote=TripleBladez]There's still about 2 weeks left to go before kMS's official patch. Hopefully, there's some feedback from the NL community in kMS, so they can change some things.

I kind of wanted the NW revamp to go before a "NL tweak". That way, they could at least improve on some of the changes like WA to BM. Now, it would seem as the reverse is in order of making NW's better.[/quote]

Yeah I agree. Nw>feedback>NL probably would have been better.

[quote=CowfrmSpace]I was deciding between buying a better claw while they're cheap, or going all-out on a katara. This made the choice very easy. Unless DBs are somehow ruined later on.[/quote]

There's still about 2 weeks left to go before kMS's official patch. Hopefully, there's some feedback from the NL community in kMS, so they can change some things.

I kind of wanted the NW revamp to go before a "NL tweak". That way, they could at least improve on some of the changes like WA to BM. Now, it would seem as the reverse is in order of making NW's better.

I was deciding between buying a better claw while they're cheap, or going all-out on a katara. This made the choice very easy. Unless DBs are somehow ruined later on.
Ofc there is 5th job to look forward to. But that's a long way forward and I'm not holding my breath.

They really need to lower the delays on all buffing skills, and we really do lack that vertical mobility.

[quote=ElmosDaddy]Wait how do you know? is there a video?[/quote]

http://en.channel.pandora.tv/channel/video.ptv?ch_userid=cige16&prgid=48378243&categid=2955770&page=1

New Shade Split is pretty cool, needs more range though. Quad Throw still looks too awkward

I'd probably make one (or turn my Shadower into one..) if they made Quad Throw look less horrible.

[quote=xDracius]They're saving all the sexiness for Night Walkers it seems.[/quote]

Oh, you mean the rip offs? Yeah, seems like it.

They're saving all the sexiness for Night Walkers it seems.