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@tashie: 1st of all freedom of media has dropped badly during obamas time, his perference for the corporations to control the media over other sources to further add to the censorship, his goverment has also been most hostile to the media ever % his decision to start a new media company as of late is concerning given these facts and must be fought against

http://investmentwatchblog.com/obama-signs-christmas-bill-making-alternative-media-illegal/
https://mic.com/articles/161028/obama-considering-post-presidential-digital-media-career-sources-say#.IKhfac0IO
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/noel-sheppard/2013/11/30/msnbc-guest-obama-white-house-most-hostile-media-us-history

ALL THE ALTERNATIVE FACTS ARE HERE

More sexist and racist rhetoric, huh? That's cute. About 60% of our population voted. Nearly 50% of said voters voted for Trump. Many of those votes were indeed from liberal protest voters that are dissatisfied with Hillary and the way the Democratic party treated Bernie, but let's not dismiss how many Republicans voted for the opposite side as well due to a comparable amount of contempt towards Trump. Anyone that believes roughly 25% of this country is sexist or racist, and that these emotions were somehow empowered or resurfaced by Trump to an extent that could determine an election's outcome, is downright delusional. 1 and 4 people? Just about all of us has an immediate family member that's sexist or racist then? Oh, right, those people are entirely exclusive to certain regions of this country. You jackasses who complain about middle-America and rural states likely haven't strayed more than 100 miles away from your cities and art colleges. Hell, to further combat the assertion of one political ideology being cemented by how and where we were raised, I'll even concede that at one point I did consider myself a liberal. I first started following politics when I was 15 and I aligned myself mostly with the left until age 18 or so.

I'm from Kentucky. I have lived in Tennessee, Ohio, Illinois, Indiana, Georgia, Nevada, and Utah. I also have family in northern California, Texas, and Arizona. By this point there are more states I could name that I have been to than not and I'm fairly confident in having an accurate grasp of a lot of sentiment held throughout different areas of this country. These narratives y'all attempt to fabricate are complete bull-sh--. If people want to try to conjure up some belief that white supremacists and pigs came out of the woodwork to vote, I'll happily refer everyone back to how many people voted for Obama in our prior election(s). The number of first-time black voters and people who voted for him simply to support "change" was through the fu----- roof. That election, unlike our current one, was irrefutably influenced by race. See, I can play these games too. What are you gonna chalk those statistics up to? Trump's favorability among Latinos, while still low, was estimated to be about the same as Romney's. So much for all of that advertising money trying to demonize him all year long. How about you people trying to paint anyone that opposes abortion as a woman hater and elevating it to womens' problems only when about 40% of women are pro-life themselves?

Shall we continue?

I initially started this thread as satire, but I'll happily fight off these accusations all day and night. Neither candidate was the pinnacle of a great president or individual. If I can extend an olive branch and accept that not every Bernie or Hillary supporter is a purple-haired communist, y'all should be able to fathom other reasons why someone *gasps* could possibly prefer - not even necessarily support - Trump as president.

@loraket: Bernie would have lost as well, don't underestimate how racist middle America is. They would have never voted for a Jewish president.

IMO Clinton would have won in October back when the "Grab her by the P-" video came out, but dropped the ball in the last month after getting over confident.

Why she lost:
1) She pulled out all advertisement and stopped campaigning in blue states near the end (The week up to the election all I saw was pro-trump adds)
2) Protest votes from upset liberals cost her a couple states. If you look at several of the states Clinton lost, if the people who had voted for Jill Stein voted for Clinton instead, she would have won those states. The rest of the states she lost, she could have possible won (aside from ultra red states) if the people who voted for Gary Johnson voted for her instead, but that candidates voters were from both sides of the political spectrum.
3) The FBI Director Comey decided to release, ~1 week before election day, that Clinton was still under federal investigation for her Email Server... which didn't amount to anything, and you're not allowed to mention anything about ongoing investigations, especially if it will affect an election outcome. Not to mention Trump was being investigated too during the same time period for Russian involvement and he didn't say anything about that.
4) (most important imo) Sexism, many people in this country are not ready for a president who happens to be female.

People like to blame fake news, but that's just a new trigger word, it's been around forever and didn't switch over anyone's vote (only crazies and old people believe fake news, and those tend to be republicans anyway). Others say PC culture from liberals forced the republicans to vote for Trump, but that's just an excuse for the right. You have to be 18 to vote, by then you are an adult. Own up to whoever you voted for, if you don't feel conformable with who you voted for you have no one to blame but yourself.

Y'all lost. Enough said.

Lol he manipulates the media? True things under Obama went a little haywire but that being said i think itmspeaks volumes about the amount of protests during his inauguration.....and even now with the womens march going on the crowds have surpassed the people who showed up yesterday lmao

agree with op, obama is the cause of all the problems plus many more
he manipulates the media so that they all attack trump while they promote that stupid hilary to power
thankfully she lost HAHAHA
ALSO THESE ALLEGATIONS ON TRUMP ARE FALSE AND ANYONE WHO DISAGREES IS A STUPID IMBECIL WHO CANT ACCEPT THE TRUTH

TRUMP IS MY DADDY

I never followed politics, so I don't know why people don't like him. And these things you mentioned seem more like people's personal vendettas as they relate to discrimination rather than Obama's actions. Also, people don't change that easily, so really you may be putting too much emphasis on Obama. Race relations, political correctness, and foreign relations have been pretty common throughout the world's and America's history. It's more of a natural cycle of truthfulness. And if you want to be honest, you have to include the failures of the far right and other political and social bodies. Both "sides" are not perfect because they choose to ignore things, or they are not smart enough to see them at the given time and they both can go too far with their actions. They can also be contradictory.

The one thing I may say about Obama is that he was emotional about race relations, I think that is genuine, and he said things that would reveal his emotions, but I don't believe that he is the cause of other people's emotions. People generally react immediately after hearing the stories of race relations, so then once they heard the story of Trayvon Martin, they reacted and everything was revealed.

Also, the people who have experienced discrimination or have seen it would likely trivialize -- maybe even find it laughable -- this notion that Obama heightened negative race relations by talking about them, since they have been experienced since before Obama was in office; so even if Obama heightened them, it would be beside the point. If anything, I think it's lucky that we had Obama and the shadow of people like MLK to guide us peacefully. Now we just need someone to actually solve these problems.

@loraket: Bernie polled far better than Hillary against Trump.

Curious, what if it was Bernie vs Trump instead of the show we had?

@tashie: I have my doubts, but nowhere near the same extent I'd have had if Clinton was elected. Danke!

Regardless of what he did or didn't do you guys should be more afraid of what that orange oopma loompa will do to your country. Good luck

The amazing lesson you can take from this is to never judge anything by it's looks, smells, what it's made of, and other amazing variables. I understand that this is an oft repeated theme or idea that you have been constantly exposed to in your lifetime, but hear me out on this one example. The example I must show you, is the eight-year veteran of the presidential position of the United States. That's correct, my example is Barack "Hope and Change" Obama, the first black president in United States History.

Now, Obama was elected in 2008 to tears and standing ovations and all those other loud and clear declarations of joy and hope that most presidents receive when they win. It was hoped that he would change the country, bring order and justice and peace within the fractured and damaged nation. Unfortunately, these hopes were sadly crushed slowly over the years as his policies were implemented in uninspired and hotly contested ways. His promises of making America great again were soon shown to be nothing but dust and ashes, blown away quicker by the sands of time than most presidents in our storied past. It is of course, not all his fault, as these cases most generally come down to in the end but nonetheless, he is at fault for a sizable portion of this failure. In his case, our dashed hopes come down to judging the book by it's cover instead of what actually lay inside. And for that crime, the only fault lies with the American people for having such high expectations driven by an unrelenting hype campaign.

I'm just here to put SILLY VIDEOS HAHFJHEF

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52ZH9iQFcoU

@greatbolshy: He's only the cool, 'hip' white dad when he's addressing a predominantly white audience or the country as a whole. Haven't you seen the facade he throws up when he speaks to blacks? He's got that little Louisiana-esque, slow churchy talk goin' on some days while pullin' out the blatantly exaggerated Chicago ebonics on others. Man, I thought you's raised in Hawaii by them white folk? Crackuh-ass Uncle Tom. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qT-FLwwWZZQ

I'd trust a mechanic or used car salesman more than these frauds. Thankfully his circus act isn't as cringe-worthy as Hillary flipping the switch on her Southern accent over the years. My eyes water from laughter when I see compilation videos of it.

@fradddd: Your rights end where my feelings begin, silly. This is common knowledge by now. College 101.

@keyan22: Fair enough. I do agree.

@cannoneer: I'm talking in more or so in the years of the 1900s/older, I don't deny he may have fueled a portion of it, just pointing out that it always kind of existed.

I still really don't get peoples' obsession with being politically correct though. Like, who cares?
And also, haven't you read 1984? Stop trying to limit what is okay for people to say, or else it'll lead to that situation.

@keyan22: He definitely contributed by enabling. Social media and the Internet may not have been as full-swing in '08, but it wasn't in its early development either.

but hey at least obama has had plenty of time to get better at golfing and acting like the cool white dad that's trying to impress his kids friends

I don't know why you think idiotic radicals were the spawn of Obama, they've always existed, the internet's publicity of those people however, hasn't been around for so long.