General

@jonatan: I miss you Vysus.

@CrayonScribble:
All I can do is mailing mrbasil or submitting tickets as a normal user, I don't have any access to the files.

Have you submitted a ticket?

@Jonatan: Maybe you can get to fixing some of those bugs as the new security

Haven't even read the posts and already know that bobo probably disagreed with pretty much everything. I agree with everything you said on the other hand.

[quote=Eeveepony]Some stickies are available, despite the account being gone.. Kazoo's, Mindstormers, Nigiyakas (sp?) guides and stickies are still around, none of those accounts exist anymore[/quote]

I'd say they're pretty hard to find.

Some stickies are available, despite the account being gone.. Kazoo's, Mindstormers, Nigiyakas (sp?) guides and stickies are still around, none of those accounts exist anymore

[quote=LimusocoBobo]I'm sorry, but I find it hard to believe that any action can "solve the issue" of users' feelings of resentment towards being suspended. Even still, a merged rules page would be more organized.

Regarding the suspensions for "clutter," the old mod team used to issue suspensions for "junk," or at least that's what they put in the mod comments. I don't think there's anything wrong with having too much fun /being spammy / being excessively naive / being silly... once. It's okay. You don't know any better. Then if you do it again, you should probably get warned for it. And then later suspended for any later offenses. Getting any stricter on this will just cause even more whining.

Regarding common threads/ stickying, the only problem I can foresee with permanent stickied threads like that is that sometimes the threadstarters will lose their accounts which will cause the threads to be automatically removed from the site. The only user whose account can't really be removed is mrbasil's. And somehow I'm doubting that he'll run all around the site making every stickied thread that needs to be made so that it can be there forever. Plus, the community changes over time. So, the successors to "commonly created" threads will sometimes have a different atmosphere that reflects the current community at this time. I feel like a permanent sticky for such a lighthearted thread would suck the life out of those kinds of threads and make them somewhat dull.

Regarding user abilities, we're probably not gonna limit users' posting abilities any more than they already are. I'm no sure what would be accomplished by extending their suspension period into a temporary probation period... wouldn't they just do whatever they were gonna do in the first place, but just wait one extra day to be in complete freedom?

Other than that, spoiler tags in guides/rules sounds fine to me. Though, I'll ignore your seemingly mild obsession with them. O.O[/quote]

1) Some users geninuely do not know the full rules as posted by Fahla, so when they are suspended they only find out there are more rules than shown after.

2) Clutter is ever so present in the site, I don't want to go to general section and see three quarters of the threads being "Server check right now" or "Rollback incoming". I don't think you memorize each individual user's history of being spammy - so therefore a blanket ban on mindlessly creating threads when threads of the same function are present should be in order imo.

3) I only think the only sticky thread owner that has been suspended was Bunnie.

4) What thread was a user be dying to make after the first day after their suspension? Not one of substantial value imo, probably "moderators suck ass" or along those lines.

Yeah no

I don't need more restrictions on what threads I can make

I mean, OKAY, maybe Religion (But we already have a flamebait suspension) but similar topic restriction? I've left several forums precisely for that reason. No one makes new stuff.

I'm sorry, but I find it hard to believe that any action can "solve the issue" of users' feelings of resentment towards being suspended. Even still, a merged rules page would be more organized.

Regarding the suspensions for "clutter," the old mod team used to issue suspensions for "junk," or at least that's what they put in the mod comments. I don't think there's anything wrong with having too much fun /being spammy / being excessively naive / being silly... once. It's okay. You don't know any better. Then if you do it again, you should probably get warned for it. And then later suspended for any later offenses. Getting any stricter on this will just cause even more whining.

Regarding common threads/ stickying, the only problem I can foresee with permanent stickied threads like that is that sometimes the threadstarters will lose their accounts which will cause the threads to be automatically removed from the site. The only user whose account can't really be removed is mrbasil's. And somehow I'm doubting that he'll run all around the site making every stickied thread that needs to be made so that it can be there forever. Plus, the community changes over time. So, the successors to "commonly created" threads will sometimes have a different atmosphere that reflects the current community at this time. I feel like a permanent sticky for such a lighthearted thread would suck the life out of those kinds of threads and make them somewhat dull.

Regarding user abilities, we're probably not gonna limit users' posting abilities any more than they already are. I'm no sure what would be accomplished by extending their suspension period into a temporary probation period... wouldn't they just do whatever they were gonna do in the first place, but just wait one extra day to be in complete freedom?

Other than that, spoiler tags in guides/rules sounds fine to me. Though, I'll ignore your seemingly mild obsession with them. O.O

[quote=TrampMonkey]Honestly, my problem is that the General section is [b]too[/b] general. Through the feedback I get from mods via reporting or threads, anything MS-related is allowed in General. Topics allowed in general need to be narrowed down. For example, I asked where made-up classes should be posted. I argued Art because it's "Maple fiction" and the Art section's subheader tells you to post it there. A mod told me it was fine in General because it was related to MS. The General section should be the middle ground* where threads with no specific section goes.

*Seems "middle ground" is the underlying theme in my ideas to improve Basil...[/quote]
You have my full support there, I wrote somthing similar to what you just said earlier in this thread.

@jonatan: Honestly, my problem is that the General section is [b]too[/b] general. Through the feedback I get from mods via reporting or threads, anything MS-related is allowed in General. Topics allowed in general need to be narrowed down. For example, I asked where made-up classes should be posted. I argued Art because it's "Maple fiction" and the Art section's subheader tells you to post it there. A mod told me it was fine in General because it was related to MS. The General section should be the middle ground* where threads with no specific section goes.

*Seems "middle ground" is the underlying theme in my ideas to improve Basil...

@TrampMonkey:
My point is that both is needed the latter is the critical one though. But I agree with you, more sections can come as the site grows if needed.

A reorganization will make things easier for everyone.

@jonatan: Needing more forum sections and reorganizing the current sections are two completely different points. I was referring to the former.

@TrampMonkey:
It's not weird that the fun section is called the funeral section. It get not near as much attention as the chat section.

Don't you think that the fun section would come to live if the chat section was removed from the frontpage and fun section was added because atm you can't see threads in fun from the frontpage.

The reasoning above can be applied to all sections, they need equal attention. A very good example is something similar to flashback (http://www.flashback.org/).

[quote=jonatan]To prevent the spam more sections is [i]needed[/i],[/quote]
mrbasil made Fun when Chat got too cluttered and look what happened with that. Basilers don't like change unless it makes BasilMarket more Facebook-esque.

OT: About your suggestion to suspend for the various clutter described, they should already be against the rules and therefore susceptible to suspension. However, people cried about mods being too strict so they're being lenient on it (among other things). I believe the solution here is your suggestion to have posting restrictions as opposed to flat out suspensions. Fact of the matter is, as a Basiler, you either have unlimited posts with no restrictions (unless you're a new user), or you're suspended and can't post at all. There needs to be a middle ground here.

Example:
Called someone a troll, warned and posting limit of, I dunno, 3 posts per hour and no threads.
Called someone a troll again, warned with posting limit of 3 posts per hour and no threads again.
Still calling someone a troll, suspended for however long it's at now.

IMO, rules wouldn't seem so strict anymore with something like this being used. This is all conjecture, though. If anything, people will still cry about their warnings and suspensions just because it gives them something to cry about.

@ravkin:
[b]Upvoting:[/b]
I think this is a great idea, this is how I intepret the suggestion;
The user votes will not affect the placement or status of the thread.
The user votes will not be shown.
The user votes will only be seen by moderators and the admin.
The user votes will just act as a guideline for the mods.
The user votes will just help the mods to find threads worthy to be stickied or added to a thread containing a collection of stickied threads.

[b]5- feedback able to bid:[/b]
Again great suggestion, many users may have a hard time winning the 5 first auctions.
The current limitation leats to frustration.
Frustrated users either gives up (=>no point in having the auction system) or tries to make fake auction to gain the required feedback.

@CrayonScribble:
Then tell me something that he's [i]not[/i] reluctant to do...

The current sections needs equal attention (as I mentioned my previous post), it will have the same effect as adding new sections. Most threads that is placed in general could be placed in other sections and thus reduce the spam.

Combine what I've mentioned with your suggestions and I think we got a really good solution.

@Jonatan: MrBasil has already stated that he is reluctant to add new sections.

[quote=CrayonScribble]Easily, when creating a new thread it shows you all the threads with similar titles already present. Also with more upvoting of threads, it is more likely that you do not need to create a thread because the answer will already be readily available. This is targetted for threads that appear when MapleGlobal goes down i.e "Unscheduled SC" thread x 9001.[/quote]
You got a point there, however, patch/SC threads does not really belong in the general section. All thoose threads (this goes for the most threads in general) can be placed in another subforum.

Examples:
Shoud be in GMS -> http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2045954/0/OFFICIAL_Maple_is_down_thread.html
Should be in MS tech help & patches -> http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2045662/0/New_class_At_the_new_world_post_chaos_patch.html#

Really, the general section is just a cloghole for all maple-related threads and most importantly threads about [i]GMS only[/i]. GMS threads should be placed in the GMS subforum, this applies threads about GMS servers also since there's not server specific subforums (e.g. P/C-threads).

[quote=CrayonScribble]I think better organisation and better information sorting will overcome the need for new sections.[/quote]
Atm, the majority of the threads goes into 2 sections, the majority of thoose threads could be placed elsewhere.

Utilizing all section to it's maximum would be equivalent to adding new ones. Revamp the frontpage completely so all sections get equal attention.

[quote=tillytechno]I completely agree except for suspensions on topics less than 12 hours old...how would you know? Say it's 11 hours old and sunk to th bottom of the forum?

It should just be deleted, besides, if the mods were required to suspend for that..eh...I sense an angry mob of people unfamiliar with the rules but think they run the place...[/quote]

Easily, when creating a new thread it shows you all the threads with similar titles already present. Also with more upvoting of threads, it is more likely that you do not need to create a thread because the answer will already be readily available. This is targetted for threads that appear when MapleGlobal goes down i.e "Unscheduled SC" thread x 9001.

@Jonatan: I think better organisation and better information sorting will overcome the need for new sections.

@tillytechno:
Look at my post, it wouldn't be at the bottom (at least not on page 4) if the spam could be kept under controll.

Your post further proves my point, the spam is the big problem here.

I agree with alost everything you mentioned, however, you missed [b]1 important[/b] thing.

To prevent the spam more sections is [i]needed[/i], basil has well over 15 000 active members and trying to squeese all thoose into the 2 most popular sections (general and chat) [i]will[/i] lead to sections overflowing with new threads and replies.

If you compare basil (15 000+ active members) with flashback (250 000+ active members), basil is [i]way more[/i] spammy. The reason: the ammount of sections.

Flashback has 11 forum sections (e.g. culture, drugs, politics etc.) and thoose forums have ~10-15 subforums [i]each[/i] wich is ~150 sections in total and this really helps alot. New threads is easily spotted and you don't have to worry about that your thread will not be noticed due to the spam.

A new forum structure is what's needed, anything else will not have as big impact as a reorganization.