@Spirateual yeah I see that NW's are intended to be bossers after watching a couple more videos. And yeah I must have misread the fact that they had better potential to dodge attacks xD but once again that is still up to user preference
@turdaldit I said "but nw's mobility skills make it have more [b][i]potential[/i][/b] to avoid more attacks." I never blatantly said that nw is better at avoiding attacks. According to the dpm chart on http://www.southperry.net/printthread.php?t=74284&pp=100, nw has more than triple db's dpm. And from what I [b][i]observed[/i][/b], nw's shadows can all hit cap, so it can probably out do db's max damage output per second if what i observed is true. More on that, what i observed was an nw bossing video. The player did 50m/55m damage but I saw damage values above 60% damage, 30m+/33m+. NW's were intended to be good bossers and bad mobbers, so it's [b]probably[/b]better than db (and a lot of other classes) at bossing.
@turdaldit: I believe the bats alone do work against Dual Blades, throw in the triple shadow partner and Hypers, ehh Dual Blade need to watch their back! ^^
@AntiSenpai really, so if both classes are capping a nw somehow still does more DPS? oh I guess they have tripple shadow partner but that doesn't have 100% up time since it's a hyper? hmm looks like I need more research on the class
[quote=turdaldit]lololololol A night walker out-dpsing a DB xD ok then, this is only true if you aren't capping I suppose, but DB has better avoid as stated in the above comments but I'm not too sure on the Night walker stats as of now. @Spirateual and @TripleBladez you guys are debating mobility skills which I do understand but it comes down to the control of the user, I mean sure some people may think NW has more "useful" mobility skills but that is all completely up to how well one controls either class, there are people who can control a DB perfectly and just not die to anything and there are people who can do the same with a NW, doesn't mean the class is better, just means the user has mastered the use of the mobility skills of the class.
In summary, NW is better to play if you aren't funding a DB to the point where you cap, and there is no point talking about the mobility skills to dodge boss attacks since it's up to the users control.[/quote]
Nu, Nw actually do out dps Db, by a lot actually. O.O
lololololol A night walker out-dpsing a DB xD ok then, this is only true if you aren't capping I suppose, but DB has better avoid as stated in the above comments but I'm not too sure on the Night walker stats as of now. @Spirateual and @TripleBladez you guys are debating mobility skills which I do understand but it comes down to the control of the user, I mean sure some people may think NW has more "useful" mobility skills but that is all completely up to how well one controls either class, there are people who can control a DB perfectly and just not die to anything and there are people who can do the same with a NW, doesn't mean the class is better, just means the user has mastered the use of the mobility skills of the class.
In summary, NW is better to play if you aren't funding a DB to the point where you cap, and there is no point talking about the mobility skills to dodge boss attacks since it's up to the users control.
[quote=Spirateual]lets say you're bossing. i saw someone upjump to dodge one of vellum's attacks. nw has upjump, db doesnt. On my shade, i use backstep to avoid some attacks. nw has backstep, db doesnt. So sure, db has 10% more damage reduction and 15% more evasion rate (assuming evasion and dodge work hand in hand), but nw's mobility skills make it have more potential to avoid more attacks.[/quote]
That's true. NW's have the advantage in vertical mobility, but DB's can make up for NW's Rapid Evasion with their skills that can be used for horizontal movement.
About Avoid and Damage Reduction, those would come in handy if you're training and dealing with regular bosses. % HP attacks will ignore both, so NW would have the advantage for a boss like Vellum for DPS and vertical mobility.
Evasion Rate and Dodge Rate are a separate issue, but they do work together. The former depends on enemy and character level, enemy's Accuracy, and character's Avoid. The latter ignores them.
@triplebladez lets say you're bossing. i saw someone upjump to dodge one of vellum's attacks. nw has upjump, db doesnt. On my shade, i use backstep to avoid some attacks. nw has backstep, db doesnt. So sure, db has 10% more damage reduction and 15% more evasion rate (assuming evasion and dodge work hand in hand), but nw's mobility skills make it have more potential to avoid more attacks.
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@Spirateual yeah I see that NW's are intended to be bossers after watching a couple more videos. And yeah I must have misread the fact that they had better potential to dodge attacks xD but once again that is still up to user preference
[quote=Lecarde]Why don't you play a class that you find fun instead of being a damage wh0r3?[/quote]
doesn't seem like he cares about damage too much considering he's asking which is better for avoid, you wh0r3
@turdaldit I said "but nw's mobility skills make it have more [b][i]potential[/i][/b] to avoid more attacks." I never blatantly said that nw is better at avoiding attacks. According to the dpm chart on http://www.southperry.net/printthread.php?t=74284&pp=100, nw has more than triple db's dpm. And from what I [b][i]observed[/i][/b], nw's shadows can all hit cap, so it can probably out do db's max damage output per second if what i observed is true. More on that, what i observed was an nw bossing video. The player did 50m/55m damage but I saw damage values above 60% damage, 30m+/33m+. NW's were intended to be good bossers and bad mobbers, so it's [b]probably[/b]better than db (and a lot of other classes) at bossing.
now that you mention it Nick it does look like the bats do quite a bit of DPS, oh well we were never top anyway thanks to phantom LOL
@turdaldit: I believe the bats alone do work against Dual Blades, throw in the triple shadow partner and Hypers, ehh Dual Blade need to watch their back! ^^
@AntiSenpai really, so if both classes are capping a nw somehow still does more DPS? oh I guess they have tripple shadow partner but that doesn't have 100% up time since it's a hyper? hmm looks like I need more research on the class
[quote=turdaldit]lololololol A night walker out-dpsing a DB xD ok then, this is only true if you aren't capping I suppose, but DB has better avoid as stated in the above comments but I'm not too sure on the Night walker stats as of now.
@Spirateual and @TripleBladez you guys are debating mobility skills which I do understand but it comes down to the control of the user, I mean sure some people may think NW has more "useful" mobility skills but that is all completely up to how well one controls either class, there are people who can control a DB perfectly and just not die to anything and there are people who can do the same with a NW, doesn't mean the class is better, just means the user has mastered the use of the mobility skills of the class.
In summary, NW is better to play if you aren't funding a DB to the point where you cap, and there is no point talking about the mobility skills to dodge boss attacks since it's up to the users control.[/quote]
Nu, Nw actually do out dps Db, by a lot actually. O.O
lololololol A night walker out-dpsing a DB xD ok then, this is only true if you aren't capping I suppose, but DB has better avoid as stated in the above comments but I'm not too sure on the Night walker stats as of now.
@Spirateual and @TripleBladez you guys are debating mobility skills which I do understand but it comes down to the control of the user, I mean sure some people may think NW has more "useful" mobility skills but that is all completely up to how well one controls either class, there are people who can control a DB perfectly and just not die to anything and there are people who can do the same with a NW, doesn't mean the class is better, just means the user has mastered the use of the mobility skills of the class.
In summary, NW is better to play if you aren't funding a DB to the point where you cap, and there is no point talking about the mobility skills to dodge boss attacks since it's up to the users control.
[quote=Spirateual]lets say you're bossing. i saw someone upjump to dodge one of vellum's attacks. nw has upjump, db doesnt. On my shade, i use backstep to avoid some attacks. nw has backstep, db doesnt. So sure, db has 10% more damage reduction and 15% more evasion rate (assuming evasion and dodge work hand in hand), but nw's mobility skills make it have more potential to avoid more attacks.[/quote]
That's true. NW's have the advantage in vertical mobility, but DB's can make up for NW's Rapid Evasion with their skills that can be used for horizontal movement.
About Avoid and Damage Reduction, those would come in handy if you're training and dealing with regular bosses. % HP attacks will ignore both, so NW would have the advantage for a boss like Vellum for DPS and vertical mobility.
Evasion Rate and Dodge Rate are a separate issue, but they do work together. The former depends on enemy and character level, enemy's Accuracy, and character's Avoid. The latter ignores them.
@triplebladez
lets say you're bossing. i saw someone upjump to dodge one of vellum's attacks. nw has upjump, db doesnt. On my shade, i use backstep to avoid some attacks. nw has backstep, db doesnt. So sure, db has 10% more damage reduction and 15% more evasion rate (assuming evasion and dodge work hand in hand), but nw's mobility skills make it have more potential to avoid more attacks.
DB: 70% Evasion Rate, and 20% Damage Reduction with Mirrored Target active.
NW: 15% Evasion Rate, 40% Dodge Rate, and 10% Damage Reduction.
DB's are better in Avoid and Damage Reduction, but NW's have more versatility due to being a ranged class equipped with a revival and bind skill.
[quote=Lecarde]Why don't you play a class that you find fun instead of being a damage wh0r3?[/quote]
Wow, salty much? He wasn't even asking for which class does the most damage, he said he knows that NW do more.
OT: I'm pretty sure DB has a lot of avoid with their skills giving them %avoid and defense I think they are pretty similar
[quote=Lecarde]Why don't you play a class that you find fun instead of being a damage wh0r3?[/quote]
maybe dmg is fun for us, you "wh0r3"
[quote=Lecarde]Why don't you play a class that you find fun instead of being a damage wh0r3?[/quote]
I find both DB and NW to be fun, so I'm seeing which one would have more avoid and defense, as I stated in the OP.
Why don't you play a class that you find fun instead of being a damage wh0r3?