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wow where are the popular training spots now. The game seems dead and all the popular places are empty because of stupid nerfs.

@krispydude12: I'd rather not. For me, it's down the drain where as for others it may not be. It's an opinion. An educated one, but an opinion nonetheless. I'll just leave it at that.

@mark24: RED won't save the game imho, but I'll probably log in to say goodbye to a few good people and just try a few new skills for a bit. I'm happy you're still able to enjoy the game

at least come back for red. maybe some positive changes will be made. Nexon is a horrible company and it seems like the game is dying. I am having fun atm on my demon avenger though and a lot of my old friends still play.

Also you might wanna try league, dota, or eso when it comes out. Swtor is good but it has too many pvp balance issues.

Can you elaborate on how far the game has gone down the 'Drain?'

[quote=meowmeow2]so please, stop crying about how poor u are.[/quote]

Except I'm not poor.

I got 25k mp I just bought cubes got like 12% more luk, thats it. I'm pretty unfunded so yeah.

[quote=betaboi101]Person taking advantage of Nexon's failness:

Makes 1000 accounts to farm miracle chaoses/ shield scorlls from hot times/ taking advantage of 90% off nx cube sales

All of the accounts get banned and they get ip blocked.

Unbans occur with compensation..

50k nx per account * 1000? Looks like said exploiter gets a free 50,000 worth of nx for taking advantage of the already dead game

There is no fixing the game. It's dead. This is because they failed to cater to US consumption demands and fail to realize that marketing online gambling with no return doesn't work well here given all of the people that play this game have no money to throw away on such a business model. Maple of the past is dead and so is the game. Back to not even checking up on Basil/ ms for months [/quote]

Not everyone got unbanned. You had to first filed a ban appeal ticket, and then they will decide if you deserve a ban or an unban

"If you had filed a ban appeal then you should have received a message saying you were unbanned or that you will remain banned. If you did not receive either message then try to log in. If you are unable to log in then please submit another ticket."

http://maplestory.nexon.net/community/#%2Fshowthread.php%3F1009745%26p%3D8553816%26viewfull%3D1%23post8553816

Person taking advantage of Nexon's failness:

Makes 1000 accounts to farm miracle chaoses/ shield scorlls from hot times/ taking advantage of 90% off nx cube sales

All of the accounts get banned and they get ip blocked.

Unbans occur with compensation..

50k nx per account * 1000? Looks like said exploiter gets a free 50,000 worth of nx for taking advantage of the already dead game

There is no fixing the game. It's dead. This is because they failed to cater to US consumption demands and fail to realize that marketing online gambling with no return doesn't work well here given all of the people that play this game have no money to throw away on such a business model. Maple of the past is dead and so is the game. Back to not even checking up on Basil/ ms for months

[quote=DogPukeYellow]Yeah, I edited my first post and elaborated.

Here we are totally on the same page. (I promise.) If you'll so kindly peruse the post, I only answered why there should be a compensation if they're set on doing it in one fell swoop without due process (we both hate this, I'm sure). I don't think they should do that at all, though - but you're talking to a proponent of shutting the game down for as long as their debt ratios and solvency ratios allow in order to fix the game [b]without band-aids[/b]. I'm probably a minority here.

As far as the disputing the amounts, I'm totally with you. (Wording it as "ending up richer than x or y" is too ambiguous, though, because of cluster groups.) All of those questions should be held in regard. I only contend there ought to be some form of it and that it shouldn't be the same for everyone. The rest of the conversation is for someone else.[/quote]

Understood. The one-fell-swoop thing, if decided will be a mess (as is everything Nexon takes a hand in hahaheehee). I'd agree with you about shutting the game down, but I think it's too late at this point. For Nexon, it's less of a game to be managed now and more of a personal bank account.

Anyway, Happy Halloween

@Chimera: Yep, that's always been the way I go about things (regardless to what the topic of this thread insinuates). Some people still have morals, values and integrity. I think those people are too good for this game and the ease of 'pixelated' prosperity through cheating. Thank you

I believe that some people deserved to get unbanned and get compensated. The people that should be unbanned are the ones that got unjustly banned, and they should definitely get compensated, depending on how long they were banned.

However, I also believe that some should stay banned for the actions they have commited, and moreover, some people should not get any compensation at all.

But overall, what's done is done. We can't really change the fact that Nexon took the easy road and compensated and unbanned some undeserving people.

Also, I kind of have to disagree with you that the unbanned are richer in the end. They missed out a lot of content in the game, which could have made them even richer than what they got in compensation.

@IImaplers: What you say is true. It's probably impossible to be completely legit, but the fact that most people don't even try anymore is a little bit disappointing.
If I remember correctly, you were one of those few who tried. Kudos to you for that!

[quote=Chimera]People might hate you for having this opinion and making this thread, but I actually agree with you.
It's almost offensive to active players... nowadays it feels like people should get compensated for even staying with the game, and yet hackers are getting unbanned and then receiving compensation. (Of course there were many who were banned for no reason; I'm not really applying this to them--but then again there are those who claim to be legit and are not.)[/quote]

Indeed. It's a relief to me that there are still a few unselfish people left in this game. But alas, it's hard to stay "legit" when the gameplay caters to the opposite and the ones ultimately controlling the playing field are the opposite. The concept of "legit" is so gray, it's pointless to even think about what's right or wrong anymore.

[quote=IImaplers]do those who deserve to get unbanned also deserve to get compensation from it?[/quote]

Yeah, I edited my first post and elaborated.

[quote=IImaplers]And if they do, how much is the right amount? What if they'd spend nothing on NX in the amount of time they were banned (and perhaps previously) if they were not to be banned in that time? Would that be fair to the person who did not get banned in that time, and actually spent the same amount out of their own pocket? The system is flawed in more ways than one in that regard.[/quote]

Here we are totally on the same page. (I promise.) If you'll so kindly peruse the post, I only answered why there should be a compensation if they're set on doing it in one fell swoop without due process (we both hate this, I'm sure). I don't think they should do that at all, though - but you're talking to a proponent of shutting the game down for as long as their debt ratios and solvency ratios allow in order to fix the game [b]without band-aids[/b]. I'm probably a minority here.

As far as the disputing the amounts, I'm totally with you. (Wording it as "ending up richer than x or y" is too ambiguous, though, because of cluster groups.) All of those questions should be held in regard. I only contend there ought to be some form of it and that it shouldn't be the same for everyone. The rest of the conversation is for someone else.

[quote=DogPukeYellow]You weren't only dissatisfied with those who should've stayed banned being compensated - it was "even" them in addition to those who should've been unbanned. Those are the only two parties to which you had referred, but if you're retracting that, looks good and my earlier point would only be there to exhaust an argument of that stripe.[/quote]
Alright fair point, but there's another question to be asked here: do those who deserve to get unbanned also deserve to get compensation from it? And if they do, how much is the right amount? What if they'd spend nothing on NX in the amount of time they were banned (and perhaps previously) if they were not to be banned in that time? Would that be fair to the person who did not get banned in that time, and actually spent the same amount out of their own pocket? The system is flawed in more ways than one in that regard.

People might hate you for having this opinion and making this thread, but I actually agree with you.
It's almost offensive to active players... nowadays it feels like people should get compensated for even staying with the game, and yet hackers are getting unbanned and then receiving compensation. (Of course there were many who were banned for no reason; I'm not really applying this to them--but then again there are those who claim to be legit and are not.)

[quote=IImaplers]Exactly. My point is that if this is part of Nexon's routine functioning process, it's easy to get NX, maybe loads of NX, from it.[/quote]

This was from your first post:

[quote=IImaplers]even those who deserved to stay banned forever[/quote]

You weren't only dissatisfied with those who should've stayed banned being compensated - it was "even" them in addition to those who should've been unbanned. Those are the only two parties to which you had referred, but if you're retracting that, looks good and my earlier point would only be there to exhaust an argument of that stripe.

[quote=DogPukeYellow]...so people who never should've qualified are rewarded.[/quote]
Exactly. My point is that if this is part of Nexon's routine functioning process, it's easy to get NX, maybe loads of NX, from it.

And edit: @DogPukeYellow: Also good point about the opportunity costs :]

There's an opportunity cost directly associated with being banned. Quick examples:

1. Missing out on an event wherein you would've gotten something for x times less;
2. Your disposition to handle your assets such that you parlay a better deal for yourself is heavily dependent on timing.

If you're comparing this to people who didn't get banned and in fact didn't end up richer than those unbanned, the latter group still could have done all of that. They had as much a chance as anyone. The wrinkle in that is we don't know if the banned pool would have, but cutting off the prospective cord is the basis for compensation, which is what this is. They can't retroactively unban this many people without submitting their own fault in it (even if not directly), and if they do that, they wouldn't require a banned person to exceed his or her patience more than once.

When someone is exonerated (from prison), in exercising prudence for compensating them, what they did prior to serving time is considered when adding on top of the rest by the state. The human capital equivalent in Maple's context doesn't get you as far (not that I'd even know how to identify the indexes therein comprehensively), but the rudiments will always be there.

The actual problem - at least to me - is they committed the same problem as when they banned people to begin with: there was no due process. In this case, it's evident with all the hackers back that their backlog was festering a little too much, so people who never should've qualified are rewarded.

[quote=bluebomber24]@IImaplers: So? Unless they brag about it, I wouldn't even know. Why would I care about something I don't know. Even if I did know, I am not sure what exactly I would achieve by claiming its not fair.[/quote]
Well, I won't argue with that. I'll just say that the system is stupid and seems easy for anyone to capitalize off of. Nexon's only achievement in handing out free things to players who should stay perma-ed is that they keep a potential customer. What's the point of playing fair anymore for anyone when things like this happen?

[quote=IImaplers]edit: oh I see about your first point; that would actually validate my point further (you don't even have to be banned to get NX for nothing). And about your second point, that's true maybe for one account; but what if someone made 20 accounts which all got perma-banned and then later got unbanned plus compensated 50k per each one? That's 1 mil NX in total right there and that actually would be pretty rich. It's not that hard to milk the system, if you think about it.

@vCane: Because I just want to discuss this topic for sheer interest/curiosity; and the first paragraph was kind of meant to be sarcastic. Plus I have good memories of the game and obviously still emotionally attached to it even though I don't play anymore.[/quote]

Go get banned now that they are just doing it to wrongfully banned people from before, come back and tell us how much nothing you get

@IImaplers: So? Unless they brag about it, I wouldn't even know. Why would I care about something I don't know. Even if I did know, I am not sure what exactly I would achieve by claiming its not fair.

[quote=bluebomber24]You didn't have to go through the various emotions of being banned for what you would believe to be unjust. And those players arn't getting rich, at least in my view of what rich is.[/quote]
edit: oh I see about your first point; that would actually validate my point further (you don't even have to be banned to get NX for nothing). And about your second point, that's true maybe for one account; but what if someone made 20 accounts which all got perma-banned and then later got unbanned plus compensated 50k per each one? That's 1 mil NX in total right there and that actually would be pretty rich. It's not that hard to milk the system, if you think about it.

@vCane: Because I just want to discuss this topic for sheer interest/curiosity; and the first paragraph was kind of meant to be sarcastic. Plus I have good memories of the game and obviously still emotionally attached to it even though I don't play anymore.

You didn't have to go through the various emotions of being banned for what you would believe to be unjust. And those players arn't getting rich, at least in my view of what rich is.