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Attack or Boss

I currently have 232%boss with 78%att and I don't know if I should cube over my
shield's stats that are 40%boss, att per 10 levels +1, and 9%att for more %boss.
So, should I cube it over for more %boss or leave it as is?

April 23, 2015

20 Comments • Newest first

AshleyAttacked

[quote=David0696]Are you going with the numbers or just something you heard once and assumed it was true?
I hope [url=http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2868655/2/Att__vs_Boss_dmg.html#46264977]this[/url] helps.[/quote]

I don't make assumptions like that. I've spent hours using the damage equation for my characters and my friends characters, checking out every variation and seeing how it applies to range, dps on bosses and regular mobs, and also certain specific bosses like CVellum. So yeah...everything I'm saying I figured out on my own by playing with the actual damage formula. I had no option since the data was so vague and difficult to get a straight answer about without doing the math myself.

Reply April 24, 2015 - edited
jollibee

@Axnslicer Well kinda already recubed my emblem to 60%pdr bringing me to 92%pdr. I'll aim for more %att on bonus potentials, currently my weapon, secondary, and emblem all have 9%att at unique potential. Don't have a neb on my emblem and 20%boss on weapon and secondary.

Reply April 24, 2015 - edited
David0696

[quote=AshleyAttacked]no...? Silly, you get significantly diminished returns after 200% boss.[/quote]

Are you going with the numbers or just something you heard once and assumed it was true?
I hope [url=http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2868655/2/Att__vs_Boss_dmg.html#46264977]this[/url] helps.

Reply April 23, 2015 - edited
AshleyAttacked

no...? Silly, you get significantly diminished returns after 200% boss.

Reply April 23, 2015 - edited
David0696

If the only boss that you want to solo but cannot solo is Chaos Vellum, get two lines of PDR on your emblem. It is the cheapest upgrade on Chaos Vellum.
The general rule of thumb is to get %atk on all three bonus potentials, a combination of %boss and %att on weapon/secondary main potentials, and two lines of %PDR on emblem's main potentials.
Since you already have 33% attack on your dagger, that is a keeper for sure (duh).
I would just recube the emblem.

It also helps to play around with the numbers yourself. I am not sure if you neglected to mention any %total damage because it is a factor.

Reply April 23, 2015 - edited
Axnslicer

[quote=jollibee]@Rachelll How you know my pdr? lol my pdr right now is 89% I'd have to give up either 40%boss or 9%att from my shield since my emblem's main pot is 35pdr, 9%att,9%total dmg
and dagger is just 12/12/9 att. I really don't wanna mess with my emblem and dagger xP I'll try cubing my shield and see what I get [/quote]

You want to post that kind of information from the beginning, or give us screenshots. What are your bonus potentials and which weapon nebs are you using?

[quote=jollibee]@Rachelll hm so keep my shield the way it is?[/quote]

Yes, keep your shield the way it is. Your dagger's main potential is perfect, your emblem's main potential is nearly perfect.

[quote=Rachelll]Yea, I would keep it that way, fix emblem for %PDR then work on bonus potential for %atk. Your %boss is fine as it is.[/quote]

Don't recube. It's already 35% pdr, 9% att, 9% total, if he trades that in for 70% pdr Vellum will block 10% less damage, but he'll lose 9% att 9% total, so he'll lose damage.

% Total is worth less, not worthless. It converts at the same ratio as % boss, so 9% total is like 9% boss damage. Though I admit that explaining the relative value of % total to other people is kind of getting old so simply saying it's basically worthless is fine I guess. It only really matters as a tiebreak at this point.

I would recommend he just go straight for bonus potentials or % luk. Alternatively, the 20% guild PDR/boss/total skills, red/blue star potions, and PDR/boss alchemy potions are all relatively cheap.

Reply April 23, 2015 - edited
ArchM0onL

@jollibee I have 285%boss 69%matk and 88%pdr. I'm cubing over 70%boss for more pdr if I want to cvel. The best combination would be boss + matk + pdr but I don't dare bet on that luck.. I guess 230%ish boss is totally fine..

Reply April 23, 2015 - edited
Rachelll

[quote=jollibee]@Rachelll hm so keep my shield the way it is?[/quote]

Yea, I would keep it that way, fix emblem for %PDR then work on bonus potential for %atk. Your %boss is fine as it is.

Reply April 23, 2015 - edited
jollibee

@Rachelll hm so keep my shield the way it is?

Reply April 23, 2015 - edited
Rachelll

[quote=jollibee]@Rachelll How you know my pdr? lol my pdr right now is 89% I'd have to give up either 40%boss or 9%att from my shield since my emblem's main pot is 35pdr, 9%att,9%total dmg
and dagger is just 12/12/9 att. I really don't wanna mess with my emblem and dagger xP I'll try cubing my shield and see what I get [/quote]

I'm just putting out an example and 89% PDR means you're ignoring 89% of cvellum's 300% PDR which means 33% of your damage is ignored by cvellum right off the bat.

I'd recube emblem to 2 lines of %PDR since the %TD is basically worthless. Move %atk to your bpots.

Reply April 23, 2015 - edited
jollibee

[quote=askmynames]awee i miss jollibee[/quote]

and jollibee likes to offer you its 6pc chicken and spaghetti deal

Reply April 23, 2015 - edited
askmynames

[quote=jollibee]@Rachelll How you know my pdr? lol my pdr right now is 89% I'd have to give up either 40%boss or 9%att from my shield since my emblem's main pot is 35pdr, 9%att,9%total dmg
and dagger is just 12/12/9 att. I really don't wanna mess with my emblem and dagger xP I'll try cubing my shield and see what I get [/quote]

awee i miss jollibee

Reply April 23, 2015 - edited
jollibee

@Rachelll How you know my pdr? lol my pdr right now is 89% I'd have to give up either 40%boss or 9%att from my shield since my emblem's main pot is 35pdr, 9%att,9%total dmg
and dagger is just 12/12/9 att. I really don't wanna mess with my emblem and dagger xP I'll try cubing my shield and see what I get

Reply April 23, 2015 - edited
Rachelll

@jollibee: I would work on %PDR. Getting your %PDR from 85% to 92% for cvellum would result in more than a 20% overall damage increase.

Reply April 23, 2015 - edited
jollibee

@Rachelll I can't solo cvel :C the rest is doable

@Bharser The bonus pot on it is unique at 9%att and 2 unimportant lines

Reply April 23, 2015 - edited
Bharser

Boss damage is slightly better than att% but if you have money to recube it, I would recommend you to bonus cube that instead.

Reply April 23, 2015 - edited
ChopSuey

Leave it, good enough

Reply April 23, 2015 - edited
Rachelll

What bosses can't you solo?

I would keep that.

Reply April 23, 2015 - edited