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Help me look for the best laptop at my price

Its been a while since I was looking at new computer hardware and am oblivious to whats good and whats not
Now that Im moving on to university, its time to start looking for laptops. My price range is currently around $4000CDN ($500 give/take if very good deal).
Some things ill be using this future laptop for are education needs, surfing the internet (videos etc), and gaming (gta5, hawken, assassins creed, warface)
I also reside in Ontario, Canada if that helps
I need a laptop thatll give me the best bang for my buck

EDITED /with new price page3 continues

July 9, 2014

31 Comments • Newest first

Burning

[quote=Miirag3]I asked for your opinion since it's clear that my product knowledge is limited[/quote]

Comparable to the weight of two large textbooks.

Reply August 24, 2014
GreatRomantic

Please, just build your own PC and take that with you to university. Laptops get REALLY REALLY REALLY hot and their cooling options SUCK.

But if you value portability, then don't plan to game hardcore on a laptop. Buy a cheap notebook to take notes in class, etc etc. And then BUILD your own PC to play games back in your dorm/apartment.

This is my advice.

Reply August 24, 2014
Miirag3

[quote=Burning]Go find an enthusiast-grade gaming laptop and demo it carefully. I can't argue with you on this because of your limited product knowledge.[/quote]
I asked for your opinion since it's clear that my product knowledge is limited

Reply August 22, 2014
Burning

Go find an enthusiast-grade gaming laptop and demo it carefully. I can't argue with you on this because of your limited product knowledge.

Reply August 22, 2014
Miirag3

[quote=Burning]Aforementioned MSI GE60 Ghost any model.[/quote]

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834152593&cm_re=msi_gs60-_-34-152-594-_-Product
this processor and gpu dont match the gt70s plus they are both 3k. what do you think, i dont mind the bulkiness

Reply August 22, 2014
Burning

Aforementioned MSI GE60 Ghost any model.

Reply August 22, 2014
Miirag3

[quote=Burning]Very heavy. Not recommended for your uses.[/quote]

Anything similar recommended for my uses?

Reply August 22, 2014
Burning

[quote=Miirag3]I was looking for something like this.. http://www.ncix.com/detail/gigabyte-p25-i7-4810mq-128gbx2-d4-98656-1349.htm
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834152553&cm_re=msi_gt-_-34-152-553-_-Product
the msi one i might grab, anyone down to drop some info[/quote]

Very heavy. Not recommended for your uses.

Reply August 22, 2014
Miirag3

[quote=Burning]So I've collected a few laptops. Most of them are heavy at 6 lbs or more except for the MSI GS laptops which are between 4-5 lbs.

Here, I'm giving you this chance to narrow down the selection.

$1,359.00 Lenovo Y50 Touch
15.6" i7-4710HQ 8GB 1TB 5400 RPM+8GB SSD GTX 860M
http://shop.lenovo.com/ca/en/laptops/lenovo/y-series/y50/?sb=:000001CA:0000569D:

$1299.00 ASUS N550JK-DB71-CA
15.6" i7-4700HQ 12GB 1TB HDD GTX 850M
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=710_577_369&item_id=069526

$1249.88 ASUS N56JR-DS71-CA (Older model, minimal differences)
15.6" i7-4700HQ 12GB 750GB GTX 760M
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=710_577_369&item_id=065402

$1269.00 ASUS ROG G550JK
15.6" i7-4700HQ 8GB 750GB GTX 850M
http://www.ncix.com/detail/asus-rog-g550jk-intel-core-ca-98211-1349.htm

$1239.99 MSI GE40 2PC-481US Dragon Eyes Gaming Notebook 9S7-149242-481
14" i7-4712MQ 8GB 1TB GTX 850M
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=710_577_1197&item_id=071778

$1549.00 MSI GT60 2PC-663US Dominator
15.6" i7-4810MQ 12GB 1TB HDD GTX 870M
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=710_577_1198&item_id=069375

$1299.99 MSI GE60 Apache Pro
15.6" i7 4700HQ 8GB 1TB GTX 860M
http://www.ncix.com/detail/msi-ge60-apache-pro-i7-dd-96309-1248.htm

$1799.99 MSI GS60 2PC-012US Ghost
15.6" i7 4700HQ 16GB 1TB+128GB SSD GTX 860M
http://www.ncix.com/detail/msi-gs60-2pc-012us-ghost-i7-92-95890-1013.htm
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=710_577_1198&item_id=069723

$1999.99 MSI GS60 2PE-053US Ghost Pro
15.6" i7 4700HQ 16GB 1TB+128GB SSD GTX 870M
http://www.ncix.com/detail/msi-gs60-ghost-pro-i7-62-95889-1386.htm[/quote]

I was looking for something like this.. http://www.ncix.com/detail/gigabyte-p25-i7-4810mq-128gbx2-d4-98656-1349.htm
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834152553&cm_re=msi_gt-_-34-152-553-_-Product
the msi one i might grab, anyone down to drop some info

Reply August 22, 2014
Burning

So I've collected a few laptops. Most of them are heavy at 6 lbs or more except for the MSI GS laptops which are between 4-5 lbs.

Here, I'm giving you this chance to narrow down the selection.

$1,359.00 Lenovo Y50 Touch
15.6" i7-4710HQ 8GB 1TB 5400 RPM+8GB SSD GTX 860M
http://shop.lenovo.com/ca/en/laptops/lenovo/y-series/y50/?sb=:000001CA:0000569D:

$1299.00 ASUS N550JK-DB71-CA
15.6" i7-4700HQ 12GB 1TB HDD GTX 850M
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=710_577_369&item_id=069526

$1249.88 ASUS N56JR-DS71-CA (Older model, minimal differences)
15.6" i7-4700HQ 12GB 750GB GTX 760M
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=710_577_369&item_id=065402

$1269.00 ASUS ROG G550JK
15.6" i7-4700HQ 8GB 750GB GTX 850M
http://www.ncix.com/detail/asus-rog-g550jk-intel-core-ca-98211-1349.htm

$1239.99 MSI GE40 2PC-481US Dragon Eyes Gaming Notebook 9S7-149242-481
14" i7-4712MQ 8GB 1TB GTX 850M
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=710_577_1197&item_id=071778

$1549.00 MSI GT60 2PC-663US Dominator
15.6" i7-4810MQ 12GB 1TB HDD GTX 870M
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=710_577_1198&item_id=069375

$1299.99 MSI GE60 Apache Pro
15.6" i7 4700HQ 8GB 1TB GTX 860M
http://www.ncix.com/detail/msi-ge60-apache-pro-i7-dd-96309-1248.htm

$1799.99 MSI GS60 2PC-012US Ghost
15.6" i7 4700HQ 16GB 1TB+128GB SSD GTX 860M
http://www.ncix.com/detail/msi-gs60-2pc-012us-ghost-i7-92-95890-1013.htm
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=710_577_1198&item_id=069723

$1999.99 MSI GS60 2PE-053US Ghost Pro
15.6" i7 4700HQ 16GB 1TB+128GB SSD GTX 870M
http://www.ncix.com/detail/msi-gs60-ghost-pro-i7-62-95889-1386.htm

Reply August 8, 2014
Miirag3

[quote=Burning]Are you not able to take your gaming desktop with you?[/quote]

No, it will be going to my cousin.
Anyone wanna help out

Reply August 7, 2014
Burning

Are you not able to take your gaming desktop with you?

Reply August 5, 2014
Miirag3

@Burning: performance, speakers, battery life, looks - "best"

I can order online or walk-in to stores. I have ncix canada computers and a bunch of other small ones.
500GB-1TB prefer SSD>HDD
I might start watchdogs, would love to run it on HQ. CoD Advanced Warfare looks different might give that a shot, max settings with a good fps would be nice
I use VOIP, some programming stuff, surf the webs(videos etc), and other small games that would easily run if the above games could. I dont use 3d video editting software or stuff along those lines, just mainly studies/gaming

I would like a light laptop, but at the end of the day if it looks slim and sleek but is heavy n weighs a couple more pounds i wouldn't mind buying that over a dull large looking light weighted laptop.
15" would be nice, i find that 17" gets big for tables in the lecturehalls and I also cant find many bags that fit 17" nicely.
battery life is only important if Im on the go which would be the work week around 9am-1pm.
This laptop will be used in different ways; 1) where I would set it up where I have my desktop/tv connected then use the monitor/tv to stream whats on the laptop and 2)On the go in my backpack

Thanks a lot, help is really appreciated

Reply August 4, 2014
Burning

[quote=Miirag3]ive bumped my price range to about $1500-$2000CDN (CANADIAN) I need the BEST laptops at this price[/quote]

People throw around the word "best" like I can read their mind. What does "best" mean? Value? Performance? Mobility? Features?

Answer as many questions as you are willing. The information you provide will narrow down the potential computers I look at.

Can you order online? If you cannot order online, what stores are around you?
How much hard drive space do you want?
Are there any other games you play or want to play?
What other programs do you use?

Do you have a preferred laptop weight?
Do you have a preferred screen size?
Is battery life important?
To where and how often will this laptop be moved?

Mention any other special requests you may have. Be as detailed as you can with all your responses.

Reply August 4, 2014
Miirag3

Editted the thread with a new price range, help pls

Reply August 3, 2014
GregoryG

Laptops a couple years back used to be very far behind a dektop of similar cost and uncomparable.
However times change, laptops and smartphones are the most consumed tech products today which is what drives the price for performance down.

Heres a comparison LinusTech did recently with a laptop vs desktop [url=http://youtu.be/PdOpwHDEXHg?t=6m27s ]Linus Tech Tips Asus G750 vs desktop[/url]
in the test a $2200 budget was used in a laptop and a desktop and there was only a 15%-25% difference in top end gaming performance

For your Lenovo-y50 $1,139 model, from scratch its going to cost you around $1000 in desktop components for similar performance, with something like a 750 ti, i7-4770.

Reply July 17, 2014 - edited
Burning

Worse. II expect at least one more year before Lenovo's Y-series laptops come with a GPU comparable to your currently one-year old desktop.

Reply July 14, 2014 - edited
Miirag3

[quote=Burning]Indeed I did. http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2600920/0/Help_me_make_a_custom_desktop.html

SSDs give a faster Windows boot up time and quicker file and program loading. SSDs don't contribute directly to PC performance, but they do make computer usage more responsive for office and work tasks. Some people place SSDs high up in their list for what should be in a computer, but to me, it's close to the bottom.

The Lenovo Y50 I see is using a hybrid solution in which both a small SSD and a traditional HDD are used together to leverage the advantages of both technologies.[/quote]
How do you think the lenovo y50 matches up with the custom desktop? better same worse

Reply July 14, 2014 - edited
Burning

[quote=Miirag3]thanks mate i think you helped me build my desktop as well n its a beast
im also hearing ssds on laptops make all the difference nowadays any input?[/quote]

Indeed I did. http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2600920/0/Help_me_make_a_custom_desktop.html

SSDs give a faster Windows boot up time and quicker file and program loading. SSDs don't contribute directly to PC performance, but they do make computer usage more responsive for office and work tasks. Some people place SSDs high up in their list for what should be in a computer, but to me, it's close to the bottom.

The Lenovo Y50 I see is using a hybrid solution in which both a small SSD and a traditional HDD are used together to leverage the advantages of both technologies.

Reply July 12, 2014 - edited
Miirag3

[quote=Burning]So yea. I'm out for a week and I see nothing has changed around here. The typical Basiler either won't read "[i]Canada[/i]" and or just do lots of writing without realizing that you just want this all plain and simple.

Here,
http://shop.lenovo.com/ca/en/laptops/lenovo/y-series/y50/?sb=:000001CA:000056A2:

Heavy like any other gaming laptop, but should play all the games you have listed on at least Medium.

Canada Computers has the Y50 with the 1 TB hard drive. If you do wind up going in-store, be on the lookout for the other models. Some do have useless features (there is no benefit of the 4 GB GTX 860M over the 2 GB GTX 860M with the 1920x1080 display.)
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=710_577_1198&item_id=073492

Lenovo Canada has other Y50 models listed
http://shop.lenovo.com/ca/en/laptops/lenovo/y-series/y50/

The $1,149.00 model listed currently has the best bang for the buck.[/quote]

thanks mate i think you helped me build my desktop as well n its a beast
im also hearing ssds on laptops make all the difference nowadays any input?

Reply July 12, 2014 - edited
Burning

So yea. I'm out for a week and I see nothing has changed around here. The typical Basiler either won't read "[i]Canada[/i]" and or just do lots of writing without realizing that you just want this all plain and simple.

Here,
http://shop.lenovo.com/ca/en/laptops/lenovo/y-series/y50/?sb=:000001CA:000056A2:

Heavy like any other gaming laptop, but should play all the games you have listed on at least Medium.

Canada Computers has the Y50 with the 1 TB hard drive. If you do wind up going in-store, be on the lookout for the other models. Some do have useless features (there is no benefit of the 4 GB GTX 860M over the 2 GB GTX 860M with the 1920x1080 display.)
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=710_577_1198&item_id=073492

Lenovo Canada has other Y50 models listed
http://shop.lenovo.com/ca/en/laptops/lenovo/y-series/y50/

The $1,149.00 model listed currently has the best bang for the buck.

Reply July 11, 2014 - edited
Miirag3

[quote=GregoryG]that one is good. But your honestly not going to get any big differentials in prices. You honestly pay for what you get.
If you have a [b]$800[/b] and below budget, you can only afford up to a [b]750m/840m[/b] with a [b]i5 1.7 - 2.5ghz[/b], 40ish Fps on BF4 @ medium
If you have a [b]$1000[/b] Budget you can afford up to a [b]860m[/b] with a [b]i5 1.7 - 2.8ghz[/b], 100ish Fps on BF4 @ medium
if you have [b]$1200[/b] its same as $1000 but an i7 quad core instead of i5 and the 860m
If you have a [b]$1400[/b] Budget you can afford up to a [b]870m[/b] with a [b]i7 2.4 - 2.7ghz[/b], 120ish Fps BF4 @ medium
If [b]$1700+[/b] Budget you can pretty much get a [b]880m[/b] with a [b]i7 2.7ghz+[/b], 140ish Fps on BF4 @ medium

You could maybe save a hundred or two if you buy a Refurbished (used) laptop but that is a risk.
but these are the hardware you get depending on the price you pay if you want it new.[/quote]

Will the $1000 budget suffice for my gaming needs?

Reply July 11, 2014 - edited
GregoryG

that one is good. But your honestly not going to get any big differentials in prices. You honestly pay for what you get.
If you have a [b]$800[/b] and below budget, you can only afford up to a [b]750m/840m[/b] with a [b]i5 1.7 - 2.5ghz[/b], 40ish Fps on BF4 @ medium
If you have a [b]$1000[/b] Budget you can afford up to a [b]860m[/b] with a [b]i5 1.7 - 2.8ghz[/b], 100ish Fps on BF4 @ medium
if you have [b]$1200[/b] its same as $1000 but an i7 quad core instead of i5 and the 860m
If you have a [b]$1400[/b] Budget you can afford up to a [b]870m[/b] with a [b]i7 2.4 - 2.7ghz[/b], 120ish Fps BF4 @ medium
If [b]$1700+[/b] Budget you can pretty much get a [b]880m[/b] with a [b]i7 2.7ghz+[/b], 140ish Fps on BF4 @ medium

You could maybe save a hundred or two if you buy a Refurbished (used) laptop but that is a risk.
but these are the hardware you get depending on the price you pay if you want it new.

Reply July 11, 2014 - edited
Miirag3

[quote=PurpleWaffles][url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834152559R]my turn.[/url][/quote]
this one seems the best...
someone confirm

Reply July 10, 2014 - edited
PurpleWaffles

[url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834152559R]my turn.[/url]

Reply July 9, 2014 - edited
ilikefoodand

[quote=Miirag3]post links to other lappies if ur gonna derail my thread >.<
still lookin around[/quote]

Buy your laptop you showed me.
[url=http://www.feenixcollection.com/autore.html]And this.[/url]
[url=http://www.feenixcollection.com/nascita.html]And this as well.[/url]

You're set to game.

Reply July 9, 2014 - edited
Miirag3

post links to other lappies if ur gonna derail my thread >.<
still lookin around

Reply July 9, 2014 - edited
ilikefoodand

[quote=Miirag3]http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=710_577_369&item_id=064266#[/quote]

It's cheaper but it's not as good. Basically, pay more = get more.
You can buy it, and use the other $250 in your budget for accesories such as a headset/gaming mouse/gaming keyboard.
I'm guessing you are [i]not[/i] going to use the touch pad and the keyboard provided, are you?

@toanako : Better, or worse? Cause I was really bored and decided to reinstall maple to get a log-out gift.

Reply July 9, 2014 - edited
Miirag3

@ilikefoodand: @Aqueous: what about this one compared to those?
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=710_577_369&item_id=064266#

Reply July 9, 2014 - edited
Aqueous

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834152570&cm_re=GP60_Leopard-010-_-34-152-570-_-Product
Above or this.

Reply July 9, 2014 - edited
ilikefoodand

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=34-317-539

Here you go!
I picked one that looked nice!
I picked one that fits your price!
I picked one that you can depend on!

I sound like an Apple customer.

No seriously, I don't know. It fits your budget.
Has a dedicated graphics card.
1920x1080 for nice big screen.
15" isn't bad.
2.8GHz isn't bad.
1TB HD isn't bad.

Reply July 9, 2014 - edited