Beast Tamer burst vs DBs Asura
Asura (DB hyper) is known to be one of the highest burst damage skills out there when combined with AB buff + their lvl 150 hyper.
Though let me give you an idea on Beast Tamers potential (although this would only work on stationary bosses, BT don't do well against moving ones)
Assuming their fish slap skill works in the same manner as phantom's tornado (i.e 5.5 hits a second)
If they place Cat's ultimate skill to give them a 1000% final attack, they have 5500% + 450x5.5% = 7975% add this with a premade billowing trumpet (which hits about 1.5 times a seconds, not confirmed just estimate) and add their own FA, 'lil fort' and you have a total of 9187.5%, add in hyper skill and AB link (I assume these don't stack?) = 16078%, but wait if we're talking about 1v1 here... they get a 35% damage boost (which does not show on range so perhaps it stacks) = 21705%
But wait there's more! You have a summon you can use Purr Zone giving you an additional 980% summon dmg (inc hyper + AB)
For DB, Asura hit 500% 3 times with an extra hit of 140% from hidden blade, according to many, it hits around 3.3 times a second. With shadow partner and AB link this gives us (1500 + 140)x3.3x1.7x1.45 = 14125% Edit: My bad forgot hidden blade had 10% tot dmg thingo, = 15538%
[b]TL;DR[/b] With AB link bear-cat BT can dish out 21705% + 980% summon dmg/second (exc 1-4th job buffs and passives)
DB with AB link can do 15538%/second (inc Shadow partner)
Anything i'm missing? I know the BT one takes a bit to set up and not very realistic but still...
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@janny1993: Yeah I agree, I never liked getting %boss, I don't like being strong only in some situations.
[quote=MyTiramisu]300 MS as estimated by JoeTang: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFWuMwWd05g
Now try tell me Asura has more than 3.3 hit delays per second.
On a boss you wouldn't require such a range. You hit 4m with 900k range? I'm sure a godly funded person could get 300%+ boss giving us about 16m on bosses for your range, so I would say about 2.7+m range would be fine (of course exc 50% physical resist bosses)[/quote]
oh I have misunderstood you earlier, I thought you meant Asura only hit 3.3x per [b]attack[/b].
And I'm more focused on %att and %damage so I can dish out as high damage as possible on non-boss monster.
I currently have less than 100% boss damage, most of them being from Link Skill, Set effect and Fafnir.
I prefer doing high damage on all monsters instead of only on bosses so yea... I might need way more than 2mil range to hit that high on non-boss.
[quote=aslemn]Doesn't Purr Zone and Cat's Cradle stop dealing damage when you change modes?
Because this happens when you use Flame Fart and change from bear to another form: damage keeps showing, but no real damage is done to monsters unless you switch back to Bear mode.[/quote]
Huh, I was not aware of flame fart only visually doing damage hmmm
I'm not high enough level to test out Cat's Cradle, nor have I done extensive tests on Purr Zone, however I do know Purr Zones heal definitely activates still even after mode change, not sure about whether the damage I saw was just visual though, I'll do some more tests after I level up my BT more. However regardless of the miniscule dmg of Purr Zone and Flame Fart, in perfect thereotic conditions it seems BT still might be able to beat Asura (unless the cat's cradle really doesn't work, but again I have to test it)
Doesn't Purr Zone and Cat's Cradle stop dealing damage when you change modes?
Because this happens when you use Flame Fart and change from bear to another form: damage keeps showing, but no real damage is done to monsters unless you switch back to Bear mode.
[quote=johny2toes]Because EVERYONE can cap on Dual Blade everyone knows that... What fool uses Asura anymore, right?[/quote]
Asura is useful because it ignores 100% DEF. Since we're talking about the most damage a DB can theoretically dish out, we could also assume the DB is capping with PB.
I think Asura might actually be affected by weapon speed.. I've been trying to test it but it's difficult counting when it hits so quickly
Keep in mind Asura also ignores 100% of enemy PDR. I don't really know much about Beast Tamer but it seems it'd be somewhat irritating to set up so many skills beforehand (Mechanic anyone?), DB only has like.. 4 skills to use before they're at their fullest potential. Final Cut, Blade Clone, Epic Adventure, Terms & Conditions > Asura.
I hit a little under 50mil per line with Phantom Blow with 1.92 - 2mil clean range, 369% boss damage, so you don't need anywhere near 10mil range, but you do need a lot.
[quote=janny1993]3.3 hit per second for Asura? What? Are you kidding me?
@Above: And by the way, capping with Phantom Blow on Dual Blade requires way more than 2mil visual range.
I have around 820k~911k range right now and I'm only hitting 4mil with critical on Ancient Golems.
I bet you need around 10mil range with Dual Blade to hit 50mil cap.
P.s. In case you don't know, 2mil range is purely visual, you can go beyond that but it doesn't show on your screen.[/quote]
300 MS as estimated by JoeTang: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFWuMwWd05g
Now try tell me Asura has more than 3.3 hit delays per second.
On a boss you wouldn't require such a range. You hit 4m with 900k range? I'm sure a godly funded person could get 300%+ boss giving us about 16m on bosses for your range, so I would say about 2.7+m range would be fine (of course exc 50% physical resist bosses)
3.3 hit per second for Asura? What? Are you kidding me?
@Above: And by the way, capping with Phantom Blow on Dual Blade requires way more than 2mil visual range.
I have around 820k~911k range right now and I'm only hitting 4mil with critical on Ancient Golems.
I bet you need around 10mil range with Dual Blade to hit 50mil cap.
P.s. In case you don't know, 2mil range is purely visual, you can go beyond that but it doesn't show on your screen.
[quote=Anthoy84]Asura's not even that good. If you cap with Phantom Blow, then PB outdamages Asura.[/quote]
Because EVERYONE can cap on Dual Blade everyone knows that... What fool uses Asura anymore, right?
Asura's not even that good. If you cap with Phantom Blow, then PB outdamages Asura.
[quote=alzaraf]The summoned bear and leopard disappear when you change btw [/quote]
Oh yeah it does o.0 lol
The summoned bear and leopard disappear when you change btw