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[quote=nc4228]I never said these weren't bugs, I was JK around. But Nexon's pulled the "it was intended" kind of thing on us several times. Notice how many bugs somehow disappeared off the "known issues" list without actually being fixed.[/quote]

That list means: Yes, we know there's a problem, and we will fix it in 3 or 4 years or so, but we acknowledge it's existence.

[quote=shyally]You might be able to argue that BB shouldn't be jump-castable (even though it has been since... since it was released? Interesting time to change your mind!)

... but Heaven's Door description explicitly says it'll protect your allies from KO 1 time. It doesn't give the buff to anyone: you or party members. So, that's 100% a bug.

And changing these skills purposefully is a very serious change. I don't think they'd do that without additional changes so they could call it a "revamp" or re-balance.

Also, Heaven's Door is amazing at bosses like Magnus and CRA. Image going to a rather difficult boss with a couple people. Heaven's Door protects everyone from death once, so if you have 5 other people in your party, that's 6 lives per cast = 2 lives per minute that don't count toward your death counter... granted those lives "expire" if you don't actually die, but even so that's pretty amazing.

I went to Hard Magnus with a friend of mine for laughs, and we ended up "dieing" around 50~60 times before we actually ran out of lives. Normally we'd get kicked out after 40. That's a pretty huge difference.

The only situations HD isn't really that useful in is Damage Reflect (you'll just die again if you don't stop attacking immediately ) and special instant-kill techniques like Gollux's purple death counter of ultimate doom and sadness.

I always keep Heaven's Door buff going, because if I do happen to die in a freak accident, I won't lose exp. That happens occasionally, because sometimes I act like an idiot [/quote]

I never said these weren't bugs, I was JK around. But Nexon's pulled the "it was intended" kind of thing on us several times. Notice how many bugs somehow disappeared off the "known issues" list without actually being fixed.

[quote=shyally]Make sure you guys post on the offical forums, to give as much attention to this issue as possible. The more people that are upset by this, the more likely Nexon will start caring.
Although regarding BB, I can't cast it mid-air (sound plays, no damage, no effect) but I haven't experienced any other issues with it. It still casts correctly as long as I'm on the ground. Though to be fair, I usually don't hold down the key for very long. I'm more of a key-masher . So, I don't think I'd run into the situation you described.[/quote]

I mainly get it when I get kb by mobs... or trying to catch something flying.

[quote=nc4228]Well, for those guys that think the bishop's rightful place is a HS rope mule, it wouldn't make a difference, would it?

Otherwise, I just went on this weekend and checked it out. No big bang jump cast is quite annoying but I don't really jump cast it much anyways. No heaven door buff is pretty bad but, hey, it's hard to die as a bishop anyways!

Well, let's cross our fingers that nexon actually fixes this problem quickly instead of waiting 6 months and then trying to say that all of this was actually "intended" and that jump casting BB and heaven's door buff would make bishops "too OP".[/quote]

You might be able to argue that BB shouldn't be jump-castable (even though it has been since... since it was released? Interesting time to change your mind!)

... but Heaven's Door description explicitly says it'll protect your allies from KO 1 time. It doesn't give the buff to anyone: you or party members. So, that's 100% a bug.

And changing these skills purposefully is a very serious change. I don't think they'd do that without additional changes so they could call it a "revamp" or re-balance.

Also, Heaven's Door is amazing at bosses like Magnus and CRA. Image going to a rather difficult boss with a couple people. Heaven's Door protects everyone from death once, so if you have 5 other people in your party, that's 6 lives per cast = 2 lives per minute that don't count toward your death counter... granted those lives "expire" if you don't actually die, but even so that's pretty amazing.

I went to Hard Magnus with a friend of mine for laughs, and we ended up "dieing" around 50~60 times before we actually ran out of lives. Normally we'd get kicked out after 40. That's a pretty huge difference.

The only situations HD isn't really that useful in is Damage Reflect (you'll just die again if you don't stop attacking immediately ) and special instant-kill techniques like Gollux's purple death counter of ultimate doom and sadness.

I always keep Heaven's Door buff going, because if I do happen to die in a freak accident, I won't lose exp. That happens occasionally, because sometimes I act like an idiot

[quote=shyally]Make sure you guys post on the offical forums, to give as much attention to this issue as possible. The more people that are upset by this, the more likely Nexon will start caring.

Although regarding BB, I can't cast it mid-air (sound plays, no damage, no effect) but I haven't experienced any other issues with it. It still casts correctly as long as I'm on the ground. Though to be fair, I usually don't hold down the key for very long. I'm more of a key-masher . So, I don't think I'd run into the situation you described.[/quote]

Well, for those guys that think the bishop's rightful place is a HS rope mule, it wouldn't make a difference, would it?

Otherwise, I just went on this weekend and checked it out. No big bang jump cast is quite annoying but I don't really jump cast it much anyways. No heaven door buff is pretty bad but, hey, it's hard to die as a bishop anyways!

Well, let's cross our fingers that nexon actually fixes this problem quickly instead of waiting 6 months and then trying to say that all of this was actually "intended" and that jump casting BB and heaven's door buff would make bishops "too OP".

[quote=sjo0426]I'm very upset about the lack of the door buff, ESPECIALLY the big bang problem[/quote]
[quote=c5548christine]I don't think the big bang problem is that simple...
Sometime (could be just my buff duration and whatever) when genesis is done with cd, and I was still holding down bb, it won't go back to charge mode. The problem with that is I get dc every freaking time like right after it happens... Doesn't even give me a second chance

Heaven's door sucks now... it doesn't give you the buff I guess nexon messed that up when they tried to be cool, and added the minute thing on every buff.[/quote]

Make sure you guys post on the offical forums, to give as much attention to this issue as possible. The more people that are upset by this, the more likely Nexon will start caring.

Although regarding BB, I can't cast it mid-air (sound plays, no damage, no effect) but I haven't experienced any other issues with it. It still casts correctly as long as I'm on the ground. Though to be fair, I usually don't hold down the key for very long. I'm more of a key-masher . So, I don't think I'd run into the situation you described.

I'm very upset about the lack of the door buff, ESPECIALLY the big bang problem

I don't think the big bang problem is that simple...
Sometime (could be just my buff duration and whatever) when genesis is done with cd, and I was still holding down bb, it won't go back to charge mode. The problem with that is I get dc every freaking time like right after it happens... Doesn't even give me a second chance

Heaven's door sucks now... it doesn't give you the buff I guess nexon messed that up when they tried to be cool, and added the minute thing on every buff.

You can't jump with big bang anymore, and heaven's door buff no longer applies