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Try to get 2 lines of boss dmg and the last line as dmg% or att%

[quote=NowItsOn]Haha, he actually PMed me informing you guys were wrong. Anyways its fine epic, I appreciate the effort. I guess due to my class and the upcoming update it would make sense to continue to cube it. What a shame, I thought I hit a real jackpot with 70% ignore.[/quote]

I love how he "informed you we were wrong" when its been clearly proven by tons of level 200's and others on this site as well as other sites of how it works. And calling it a theory? What a joke. You can't have a theory of something when facts and calculations were provided as proof of the correct answer. I have a theory that the moon is made of cheese. Even though we've gone to the moon and it clearly isn't cheese, I'm going to tell everyone it is anyway.

Haha, he actually PMed me informing you guys were wrong. Anyways its fine epic, I appreciate the effort. I guess due to my class and the upcoming update it would make sense to continue to cube it. What a shame, I thought I hit a real jackpot with 70% ignore.

@thingy97: Thanks for the correction.

@xEpicGEEx: Its not in monster stats, its in the extractions. What are you naive? Do you just base things off of basil alone? Every monster has a PDR, it was added on the Big Bang Patch.

[quote=AyumiLove]MapleStory Monster Defense Formula

Monsters has a new variable in the WZ files.
It describes the percentage damage reduced from your attack.

10 (-10% player damage). Applies to almost all normal monsters.
20 (-20% player damage). Applies to some normal monsters.
50 (-50% player damage). Applies to major bosses (Zakum, Horntail).
70 (-70% player damage). Applies to epic boss: Pink Bean.[/quote]

[url=http://global.hidden-street.net/monster/chaos-zakum-3]Example[/url] See the PDR and MDR?

Its been proven that "Ignore % monster defense" does affect PDR, and not the actual monster's defense. Please stop feeding false information to people.

[quote=xEpicGEEx]For gods sake, Boss Damage only applies to bosses, not all monsters. If Boss damage applied to everything that would therefore wipe out the use of any other line for e.g total damage is useless because u got 40 or 30% of boss damage to get instead of having 9 or 12% damage.

Thats obvious isnt it? But u misunderstood again, i said if ur damage gets reduced by say a monster with 70% PDR and u have 70% Ignore Monster Def then would that not make u hit with 70% more damage? Coz with the monsters def % you would hit 30% damage normally, and what im saying is that , there has to be something wrong with that.

My theory is that every monster has a certain amount of defence, and with say 30% PDR your ignoring 30% of the [i]x[/i].

say for e.g again http://www.basilmarket.com/MapleStory-monster-Zakum-1-190.html zak here shows he has 1k defence. 30% of that is = 300
does that make more sense than doing 30% more damage?[/quote]

Yes, it only affects bosses, but regular monsters don't have 70% PDR, so with 50% ignore PDR, doing "35% more damage" doesn't really make sense, as only a few bosses actually have 70% PDR.

Yes, they do have their own defense, but that isn't what ignore PDR affects.

Taken from something posted on the combo guide for post-Justice Shadowers,

"Let's say the particular boss you're attacking has 40% PDR (physical damage reduction)

So it would go: [Real range + (% Boss + % Total)real range]*0.6 because 40% of your damage was chopped off.

If you had 25% Ignore: [Real range + (% Boss + % Total)real range]*{0.6 + [0.4 - (0.4 * .25)]}

That last segment in the {} is what I'll explain here.

PDR works by taking off your damage. If a monster has 40% PDR, that means that you'll deal 60% (which is 100%-40%) of your normal damage. Simple enough.

PDR Ignore works by taking off the multiplied product of the ignore and PDR from the total PDR. So if a monster has 40% PDR and you have 25% Ignore, that means you'll deal {0.6 + [0.4 - (0.4 * .25)]} of your normal damage on it.

0.6 is the base
0.4 is PDR
0.4 * .25 is the PDR that is ignored."

It does NOT go off of the base defense of the monster.

[quote=xEpicGEEx]Yes the percent of the def, monsters dont have % def they only have def numbers search zak up he has 1k def wheres the%?[/quote]

All monsters have a percent damage reduction that's invisible. Have you ever noticed that if you just whack a monster, you can sometimes hit below your minimum range? It's not truly the minimum because it ignores a certain percent of your damage. That's how PDR works, not your skewed version of it. And you're not "increasing" your damage, per se, you're getting back damage that was ignored by the monster. Also, you still never answered my question of % boss being more OP'd than "my version" of % PDR.

[quote=Ekrerer]

yes but pure PDR on a weapon isnt as good as pure % bossing, you got a point when you say pdr and % bossing is a good combination but you must be very lucky cubeing also mentioning that you would like to put the correct nebulite for your weapon which will mostly be % bossing[/quote]

That doesnt make sense to me that pure %bossing would be better than pure %ignorePDR seeing as the even if you have for simplicity's sake 100% boss damage and you're going up against Zak, who has 50% PDR, you'd just do your normal damage.

OT: i remember reading somewhere on basil that its better to get mainly %boss damage unless you go to bosses with high PDR in which case its better to get more PDR than boss damage but still some boss damage.

[quote=xEpicGEEx]Guyz hes wrong, it cant be because if wat he says is true then it would be to overpowered.

Hes saying if a monster has 70% Def (Not PDR, PDR is ignore monster defence) and u have 50% u get extra 35%Damage which is ridiculous.

IMO i think for e.g http://www.basilmarket.com/MapleStory-monster-Zakum-1-190.html zak has 1k defence so with 50% PDR ur ignoring 500 defence. There is no way u get extra 35%Damage

@Ekrerer The most money efficient is to go with high boss damage on lines and with Total Damage % and nebs are cheap for 15%PDR. PDR Doesnt increase your damage it just reduces the amount it is decreased when ur up against high defence monsters.[/quote]

You couldn't be more wrong. Also, if if 35% more damage is overpowered, what about 40% boss, 35% boss, 30% boss, and 20% boss? They only take up one line each.

@ShintaRx: PDR stands for percent damage reduction, not physical defense rate.

OK.. seems to be a lot of mixed views about this. Anymore opinions on the matter? Namely relative to what @above said

Cube it. With 30% PDR from Leafre Codex, 30% from Dark Serenity (passive 4th job skill in Justice), 30% from Purge Area (active 4th job skill in Justice) and 10% from level 100 Ambition you won't need any PDR on your weapon at all. Does Quad throw have ignore PDR too? If it does you won't even need the Ambition.

Go for multiple lines of %boss, there's no point having more than 100% PDR.

[quote=MrTouchnGo]@NowItsOn: Everyone is explaining PDR lousily in my opinion, and it seems that you don't know what it is. Apologies if I'm assuming things, but it doesn't hurt to clear things up.

Basically, every monster has a set amount of PDR (Physical Damage Reduction).

If a monster has 10% PDR, that means that 10% of the damage you deal is ignored, so you're only doing 90% damage on that monster.
If a monster has 30% PDR, that means you'll only do 70% of your normal damage on that monster.
If a monster has 70% PDR, that means you'll only do 30% of your normal damage on that monster.

PDR Ignore ignores a percentage of the monster's PDR. For instance, if you have 50% PDR Ignore and a monster has 70% PDR, then the monster's actual PDR is 35% - you're ignoring 50%*70% PDR.

I'm not entirely sure on what monsters have what PDR though.[/quote]

You can check hidden street, it tells you what monsters have what pdr.
Also in your case, 50% ignore pdr more than doubles your damage since you go from 30% damage dealt to 65% damage dealt. which is more than double.
Example, if you would deal 1000 damage, with no ignore pdr you deal 300 damage, with ignore 50% pdr you deal 650 damage, which is more than double.
When monsters have 50% pdr, the rule is that your ignore pdr is = to increase in damage. ignore 30% pdr is a 30% increase in damage, ignore 70% is a 70% increase in damage. A lot of bosses have around 50% pdr.

[quote=xEpicGEEx]Guyz hes wrong, it cant be because if wat he says is true then it would be to overpowered.

Hes saying if a monster has 70% Def (Not PDR, PDR is ignore monster defence) and u have 50% u get extra 35%Damage which is ridiculous.

IMO i think for e.g http://www.basilmarket.com/MapleStory-monster-Zakum-1-190.html zak has 1k defence so with 50% PDR ur ignoring 500 defence. There is no way u get extra 35%Damage

@Ekrerer The most money efficient is to go with high boss damage on lines and with Total Damage % and nebs are cheap for 15%PDR. PDR Doesnt increase your damage it just reduces the amount it is decreased when ur up against high defence monsters.[/quote]

PDR is physical defense rate. Ignore defense doesn't ignore the actual defense of the monster, it ignores a percentage of the monsters PDR. Zakum has 1000 defense, which means his defense is calculated in to reduce your damage. Zakum also has a set PDR (50 I believe). If you have "Ignores 30% of enemy defense when attacking", you would ignore 30% of his PDR, which is 15. Instead of Zakum cutting down 50% of your damage, he cuts down 35% of it.

You're not getting "extra 35% damage which is rediculous", you're bringing your actual damage back into view.

[quote=MrTouchnGo]@NowItsOn: Everyone is explaining PDR lousily in my opinion, and it seems that you don't know what it is. Apologies if I'm assuming things, but it doesn't hurt to clear things up.

Basically, every monster has a set amount of PDR (Physical Damage Reduction).

If a monster has 10% PDR, that means that 10% of the damage you deal is ignored, so you're only doing 90% damage on that monster.
If a monster has 30% PDR, that means you'll only do 70% of your normal damage on that monster.
If a monster has 70% PDR, that means you'll only do 30% of your normal damage on that monster.

PDR Ignore ignores a percentage of the monster's PDR. For instance, if you have 50% PDR Ignore and a monster has 70% PDR, then the monster's actual PDR is 35% - you're ignoring 50%*70% PDR.

I'm not entirely sure on what monsters have what PDR though.[/quote]

I'm glad someone finally explained it properly. I was just about to do it too. Well to someone mentioning PB. His PDR is indeed 70% PDR but he's also physical strong like empress. Regardless of your PDR, your damage is cut by 50%.

[quote=MrTouchnGo]@NowItsOn: Everyone is explaining PDR lousily in my opinion, and it seems that you don't know what it is. Apologies if I'm assuming things, but it doesn't hurt to clear things up.

Basically, every monster has a set amount of PDR (Physical Damage Reduction).

If a monster has 10% PDR, that means that 10% of the damage you deal is ignored, so you're only doing 90% damage on that monster.
If a monster has 30% PDR, that means you'll only do 70% of your normal damage on that monster.
If a monster has 70% PDR, that means you'll only do 30% of your normal damage on that monster.

PDR Ignore ignores a percentage of the monster's PDR. For instance, if you have 50% PDR Ignore and a monster has 70% PDR, then the monster's actual PDR is 35% - you're ignoring 50%*70% PDR.

I'm not entirely sure on what monsters have what PDR though.[/quote]

Thank you for clearing that up. As for the lampion I will keep it until I have enough to mass cube it. I have other things atm I would like to improve upon. Thanks for the help basil.

@NowItsOn: Everyone is explaining PDR lousily in my opinion, and it seems that you don't know what it is. Apologies if I'm assuming things, but it doesn't hurt to clear things up.

Basically, every monster has a set amount of PDR (Physical Damage Reduction).

If a monster has 10% PDR, that means that 10% of the damage you deal is ignored, so you're only doing 90% damage on that monster.
If a monster has 30% PDR, that means you'll only do 70% of your normal damage on that monster.
If a monster has 70% PDR, that means you'll only do 30% of your normal damage on that monster.

PDR Ignore ignores a percentage of the monster's PDR. For instance, if you have 50% PDR Ignore and a monster has 70% PDR, then the monster's actual PDR is 35% - you're ignoring 50%*70% PDR.

I'm not entirely sure on what monsters have what PDR though.

Thank you all very much for the replies. I am still confused about the whole what monsters have what % defense. If anyone could give me a list or a link to a list for what bosses have what % defense that would be great. The main problem for me in terms of nebulites (which is the reason I've yet to put one on), is that A rank nebs do not exist in Kradia. There are only a few around the fm and they are useless ones nobody wants. There was I believe one boss dmg one I saw that sold for 3-4b..

i would keep it and if you have the money which im assuming you do get a 20 or 25% boss neb

[quote=lmaClubYou]pdr does not stack with potted pdrs[/quote]

It's been stacking since BB.

@Maplelion12: Potential Locks only work for regular Miracle Cubes, so it wouldn't work on Legendary potential equips.

[quote=NowItsOn]Hi Basil,
I tried posting this in general but for some reason my threads always get buried and never reach front page nor get read.

Recently cubed my lamp and was wondering if I should keep this potential.

[url=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/829/67814731.jpg/]Lampion[/url]

I was wondering a few things.

1) Does the PDR stack?
2) Is it worth it to keep this since with TT ignoring 15% and with leafre set I can ignore 30% which will make me go over 100. Can you ignore more then 100% of defense?
3) Does every monster have 100% defense? Someone was telling me even bosses only have like 70% defense, if that makes sense.
4) Should I keep this potential or continue on?

Thanks for your help everyone.
I'm not sure why basil says the link could be dangerous? Its just imageshack. I can put it on another hosting website if people don't trust it.[/quote]

1-2) Yes. However it cannot go more than 100% PDR, since you'll basically remove all the enemy's defense. Your choice if you should keep.
3) Uh, not so certain on this one. The only boss that has that 70% would be Cygnus and Pink Bean? Sorry if I'm wrong, just trying to help.
4) Your choice. If you're planning to seek a better potential, go for it. And there is nebulites too, so you can go ahead if you want really.

[quote=KaosC57]Also put a DEX nebulite or (if existant) Boss % Nebulite[/quote]

I think u mean %luk, not dex since NL no not need dex, other then wearing equips which can easily be covered by dex-scrolled equips. But you got the %boss right.

OT: I'd say keep for now, and get %Boss Neb instead. And later on if u have enough cubes to spam, recube it.

All monsters have a percentage defense eg pink bean has 70% defense. Pdr means you ignore a percentage of the monsters defense so if u have say 50% pdr you will ignore 50% of the defense (70* 50%=35%). so 50% pdr on pinkbean would be ignoring half of it's defense, not 70-50 defense. Hope this made sense

All monster have def and if you want to hit you reg dmg on boss you will need 100% PDR to ignore all def. any def on any monster is 100%

1) Yes.
2) Caps at 100%.
3) What KayezonXz9 said.
4) Unless you do bosses with 50%+ PDR regularly, I'd re-cube for % boss damage as well.

nononono I would recube coz you need some boss%

3) That's wrong. Monsters have around 10%ish pdr, bosses range from 30% - 70% pdr