Looks like the bucc revamp is pointless after all
Ok so they got rid of Transform because players were complaining about not being able to see their NX Items? Also, it was bad for business, making it so that people could finally have a reason to buy items for their cloths...
Look at the new Kaiser class... Now you can transform into a huge dragon armored dude with it's own weapon... So much for NX Items... History repeats itself often doesn't it?
July 18, 2012
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[quote=mapinguy]Everyone sad? No. The majority of buccs are happy for the revamp and find that it is something great.[/quote]
lol im with you on that one.... i was butt hurt for a whole two hours but now i could care less l
[quote=TechWolf]Personally, i agree with everyone saying trans made stuff slower but i feel like they should of made transformation a choice not a need... like i wish trans was just a buff where if you dont use it you could still do the same skills..... i personally like trans cause it made the job more unique but if nexon feels like they can not resolve the isssue then i think its best if they tke it away as a whole cause id rather have them give up than to try and f up on a bigger scale...[b] trans is gone i know everyone is sad[/b] BUT its not the end of the world cause i am sure they will have more unique and cooler skills to make up for the loss.. [/quote]
Everyone sad? No. The majority of buccs are happy for the revamp and find that it is something great.
[quote=coalman4444]Can we kill Hime? Nexon is such a shady company that can't even handle a game and make its' customers happy.[/quote]
ok
Hime is from the FORUMS part of the site.
Hime is from NEXON AMERICA
NEXON KOREA <<<<----- makes the content
NEXON KOREA tells other NEXON's what to put in games (with taking suggestions)
How is it Himes fault for a revamp that YOU and only YOU do not want.
Haha read your second post and wanted to say somthing
Companies do not know the release date of somthing until acouple weeks before it
it is not like Hime can look into her magic ball and magicaly say OH pirate revamp is then mikhail comes then DB revamp goes there.
She has to wait for Nexon to know before she can know. She knew it was comming but did NOT KNOW WHEN so she said "just a little longer" to tell us that it WAS INFACT COMMING!
Personally, i agree with everyone saying trans made stuff slower but i feel like they should of made transformation a choice not a need... like i wish trans was just a buff where if you dont use it you could still do the same skills..... i personally like trans cause it made the job more unique but if nexon feels like they can not resolve the isssue then i think its best if they tke it away as a whole cause id rather have them give up than to try and f up on a bigger scale... trans is gone i know everyone is sad BUT its not the end of the world cause i am sure they will have more unique and cooler skills to make up for the loss..
@coalman4444 In the event that monsters don't die in 2-3 hits, it's likely that you're training in the wrong mobs.
PQ monsters HP varies depending on your party members levels and LHC mobs have high HP so it would be alright to take some time using SSK to kill the mobs but in every other instance, BSB outclasses the CSB+SSK combo.
@Tersera ahh! Thanks for the input. I feel enlightened. Actually, I think the only reason I find my Marauder more unbearable to play is because the character and IGN are unpleasant to me. Thanks Random Beauty Coupons event. Though I ruined the IGN all on my own.
Maybe I'll attempt to remake my to-be-bucc and give a clean slate ^^
[quote=coalman4444]Maruader training is not that bad. Your DPM just drops once your energy charge is off. [b]BSB is not used as much as CSB is. CSB+SSK[/b] basically keep you invunerable.
SSK should be renamed the dodge key.[/quote]
Your information is completely off.
With the introduction of Brawling Mastery, if you're alternating between CSB and SSK you're killing much slower than multiple consecutive BSB.
Not to mention that SSK's reach is really short many monsters tend to not get into groups of 6 after one single CSB.
BSB is spammable whereas CSB is not, BSB stuns allowing for Stun Mastery to activate. BSB keeps your character moving which is important when training outside of LHC or Stronghold. BSB alone is stronger in DPS and initial hit than the CSB+SSK combo.
If you're using CSB+SSK more than BSB, you're doing it wrong.
@narubaka13 Attacks that make you move pre-LHC maps are beneficial.
Why in hell would you want to stay in one spot and attack relentlessly when there are other mobs off screen that you can't reach? Obviously to attack and move closer to the next set of mobs step by step with each skill in the best method of training for a melee class.
[quote=Tricks122]They could've fixed ST by either making it like an Aura(Always on, didn't obscure character as much) or like an actual mount(No cooldown, cast at will)[/quote]
This. They could have kept the animation for ST, but made it about its transparency about 50%, more or less, and had it overlay your buccaneer, like an energy aura (Lol, more DBZ).
Only problem with even that was that your NX would have an orange color overlaying it, which would probably cause many great NX outfit combinations to look horrible.
All in all, I'm not complaining (any more) about the loss of ST, as we still get its benefits broken down into other skills. Still hyped about the revamp, and now that we have an approximate date, I'm even more happier. <3
Okay...? And WAs have a transformation that they'll b using most of the time.
The problem isn't the look(though to some people it is) but rather the effectiveness in general of the transformation.
It's a hassle for me to even train my marauder. The second job skills are driving me insane due to the fact that most of your main moves, MAKE you move(though this doesn't have much to do with transformation...) i have respect for all buccs whbo completely trained trough something i could never imagine handling. Props to you guys.
EDIT: Oh goodness. I never realized I had such a terrible typo.
[quote=KeVouOwnS]........"facedesk" knuckle booster? Or wand/staff booster? Aka booster, silly you [/quote]
Spell booster*
Does that mean it's the same as SI ? o-o Redundancyy, even with two weapon speed boosting buffs you're still slow af. Respect +200.
[quote=ContagiousSmile]What's booster.[/quote]........"facedesk" knuckle booster? Or wand/staff booster? Aka booster, silly you
Meh. Personally, I haven't given it much thought. Transfiguration suits the structure of the Kaiser class more so than the seemingly arbitrary assistance of the Transformed Spirit.
Aside from that, it seems as though the armor color of Transfiguration can be customized, via NX, in a way that inspires a unique look for individual Kaisers, but then again, the shifting of hues in Maple is a fairly recent addition outside the static, non-permanent shifting via familiar system; the first application of it was with the customizeable Pink Bean pet and the Mechanic's color change via Conversion chip. What I'm saying is that the flexibility to freely alter ST uniquely hadn't been conceived at the time the Dev Team was working on the revamp, or perhaps was too cumbersome to apply at the time, so it seemed much more convenient to remove it. Sure, they could have also given it a more discreet visual effect, such as with EC, but I'm guessing they didn't want to endeavor to alter ST in a way that would aesthetically complement EC while also toning it down enough to foster a distinct look. Either way, it's not a loss. In my eyes, it simply suits Kaiser better.
[quote=KeVouOwnS]Lol and i only have SI MW and booster, forgotball you need is.....HS PLEASE<3[/quote]
What's booster.
[quote=ContagiousSmile]^ Sarcasm. I didn't even buff half your buffs.[/quote]
Lol and i only have SI MW and booster, forgotball you need is.....HS PLEASE<3
[quote=KeVouOwnS]You had super good control on my bucc chelsey, it was fun hearing you rage about the speed of my demo<3[/quote]
^ Sarcasm. I didn't even buff half your buffs.
[quote=ContagiousSmile]What's a Kaiser ... ? I don't know why people look into classes that aren't gonna come out until 2'482'4802934 patches. I never get interested o.o
Anyway, major props to all buccaneer mains. I logged onto my friend's and omg. Slow as hell.
[quote=ContagiousSmile]Anyway, major props to all buccaneer mains. I logged onto my friend's and omg. Slow as hell. </3
After that, my respect level for all buccs +100[/quote]
Why thank you. :>
What's a Kaiser ... ? I don't know why people look into classes that aren't gonna come out until 2'482'4802934 patches. I never get interested o.o
Anyway, major props to all buccaneer mains. I logged onto my friend's and omg. Slow as hell.
[quote=snowboy8]Ah, but Kaisers are Dragons (or Novans) while buccs are just lowly humans.[/quote]
Human? WE ARE GODS
We are the only class that shoots lasers without cheating
Mechs: use the machine
Cannoon dudes : use cannon
Buccs: Bare hands.
Gods i say GODS!
@AckarRed Well, someone was saying Hime was to blame when they have very little, if anything, to do with the updates. They were also commenting on how Nexon is shady, even if removing ST is actually a good move on their party. It's relevant in a way due to the comments here about what should be done, that's what it has to do. It's not terribly off topic either since Nexon's rep has a relation to a happy player base, and ST being removed probably pleases more Buccs than it displeases.
It's saying just because your opinion about this update is negative, it doesn't mean Nexon made a bad decision. If you need to pick a bad decision they made, you have a ton more options to choose from.
[quote=Tricks122]@ShadeCaro Nexon does a lot of things that screw up the game in several ways. They do some things right, but they do a lot others horribly. Look at how long regular HT was glitched and only a limited number of people could participate; 1 YEAR+. Seriously, that's nowhere close to acceptable for a major boss like that with a drop that was commonly used in somewhat end-game equips.
While I agree we shouldn't be roasting a specific member of staff(Especially Hime, the phrase "Don't shoot the messenger." comes to mind), Nexon's coders are more to blame than anyone else. Anyone who handles bugs and exploits even more than the rest. It's Nexon as a COMPANY that does thing poorly more often than not, but roasting a specific member isn't the way to properly critique or show valid complaints.[/quote]
And this has to do with Transformation how?
@ShadeCaro Nexon does a lot of things that screw up the game in several ways. They do some things right, but they do a lot others horribly. Look at how long regular HT was glitched and only a limited number of people could participate; 1 YEAR+. Seriously, that's nowhere close to acceptable for a major boss like that with a drop that was commonly used in somewhat end-game equips.
While I agree we shouldn't be roasting a specific member of staff(Especially Hime, the phrase "Don't shoot the messenger." comes to mind), Nexon's coders are more to blame than anyone else. Anyone who handles bugs and exploits even more than the rest. It's Nexon as a COMPANY that does thing poorly more often than not, but roasting a specific member isn't the way to properly critique or show valid complaints.
There is a jobID for a Nova pirate. Maybe they will give it a completed transformation that isn't a fail like buccs.
@coalman4444: And she can do something about it? She can be the savior to Nexon by being the messenger woman?
[quote=coalman4444]Can we kill Hime? Nexon is such a shady company that can't even handle a game and make its' customers happy.[/quote]
I hate people like you who have no idea what employee stance means.
Hime isn't at all to be blamed for. All she does is get news by Nexon and posts it on the forums. Not like she is the mastermind behind Nexon and general nonoperational funding stances.
Can you log onto the game? Yes. Can you go on a Chaos Horntail run? Yes. Can you generally boss, quest, train and have fun? Yes. You guys take the smallest problems that nobody cares about, and expands them to the biggest heights.
Like last year, one of the quests was broken and nobody even cared about the quest. But SUDDENLY, THE QUEST IS VERY IMPORTANT! You all cringed and complained just to hold bait over Nexon.
It still made Buccaneers a lot better.
Super Transformation is slow and ugly. I'm so glad it's leaving.
Transformation is just like a mount you can't get off/on at will due to the cooldown; it has limitations and had to be changed or removed. You can't harvest, it slows attacks, it makes every Buccaneer look the same(Which is usually a negative) and if you cancel to harvest then you face the 20 second cooldown PLUS the duration that was left before you canceled. Transformation was broken as it was.
I mean really, being limited and put on a cooldown for what other classes got permanently and could take the limitation off at will(Look at Mechanics) is broken. I'm glad about how the downsides are gone and they essentially broke the skill's bonuses down and put them into either new or existing skills. I mean really, the worst thing that happens is you have to see yourself without NX, which for anyone with NX was annoying.
History is not a reason for something to remain consistent. They could've fixed ST by either making it like an Aura(Always on, didn't obscure character as much) or like an actual mount(No cooldown, cast at will); removing it was also a viable option. In all honesty, removing it was the most effective option that also required the least amount of work.
Ive never liked transformation, slower attack speed, stupid ugly shiny flame guy, cant trade in transformation, in the end i just felt restricted. Looking forward to this revamp, nice little change then the typical spam demo on bosses. Or dragon strike being slower because of ST. Anyways there is a point in this revamp.