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[quote=Treno]@phoenix23: 100ks i think[/quote]

Then you're right at the point where FT criticals start to cap, am I right?
This corresponds to the leftmost drop-off on the FT slope.

@phoenix23: im sorry :c

[quote=Treno]@phoenix23: with OS if i remember well 600-700ks?
600s is more accurate i think. Ive been busy with my bucc for a while.[/quote]

Not with OS. With a regular attack.

[quote=0olgo0]wht about beyonder?[/quote]

Oh crap... Beyonder is out in Windia?

[quote=Treno]Oh i edited my last post right before you replied
All my Skills were maxed except for Tempest and combo barrier
YEs id like to know where i am in the chart please :][/quote]

Okay.
To confirm your stats, what damage do you hit with fully buffed regular attack (noncrit)?

wht about beyonder?

@Treno: You have the same crit rate and nearly the same PDR as the chart defaults. A custom chart wouldn't really look any different.

Can I assume all your relevant skills are maxed? If not, which ones are unmaxed?

Are you looking to find out where you are on the chart?

[quote=NQuad1Zero]Yeah You see I didn't actually follow a guide. I played as an Aran before Big Bang and I was quite certain you didnt max out Rolling Spin Back then. But I quit for like 2 years and came back and saw many changes as was like wtf. But I just thought Rolling Spin was probably the crappiest option so I kept it at one and maxed out 2nd Job and Booster skills. [/quote]

Yes indeed you probably missed some big changes.
We have new skills, bigger damage, damage buffs, etc.
Three of the biggest metagame changes since BB are the following:

1. Sudden Strike (4th job passive) allows for spamming Final Toss and Final Charge (you no longer need to execute a triple swing beforehand), which thus become great DPS and mob control skills, respectively.

2. Buffs to the combo system (speed, more attack, more critical rate) mean that using finishers is generally not great for DPS.

3. Damage comes much more easily to Arans now, with all the recent buffs. Many funded Arans are limited by the 999,999 damage cap on some or even all skills -- and thus as damage increases, the optimal DPS skill changes.

[quote=PlainVintage]So if you cap on all skills on bosses. You're supposed to use Rolling Spin?[/quote]

If that's the only thing you were able to conclude from the chart, then go on thinking that. Different situations call for different skills. After a certain point, RS becomes the best 1v1 damage skill. I don't know what you mean by "cap on all skills on bosses". I don't think that's an accurate description of the threshold point where RS surpasses OSFB.

[quote=SirOrnstein]How?... 77k range clean and 100k buffed? o.O i have a 90k range clean and 108k buffed with combo and i dont do 250ks with rolling spin o.o i do around 180 - 200s on the lucky critical[/quote]
Maybe he has insane %Boss. Unless he specifies, we can't know for sure.

It's for reasons like this that I don't actually include a damage range scale in the chart -- everyone's damage output isn't necessarily in the same direct function of damage range.

[quote=NQuad1Zero]Wait Im still confused. How do you achieve 90% Crit? I have like A Grade Marksman (which only adds like 2%) and after combo ability I have like 72%? where did the other 18% or really 20% come from? huh?[/quote]
External crit rate comes from Phantom link skill, Marksman character card(s), Inner Abilities, Weapon or Glove potentials, Weapon or Glove nebulites, Decent Sharp Eyes, actual archer party skill Sharp Eyes, Gratias ring / Cruel ring / Critical ring / Buff Brothers Ring, etc.
Don't forget Regained Memory.

[/quote]Oh yes, is it LIKELY that tempest will have SP resets? Cuz like My Rolling Spin is on 1... I thought it was a pretty useless skill at the time and it would appear everyone claims otherwise. I maxed out my 2nd Job and 1st job skills instead lol. And I also maxed out Fenrir and left Final Charge on 1 is that alright? Because I just find Overswing to be a bit wasted with its extra Fenrir Damage Boost so i maxed out Fenrir, to only find out it was a fairly stupid idea according to the rest of the pplz[/quote]
That's a strange build you have there. Were you following a guide? Many Aran guides are outdated, be careful with them.
As was said above, yes it is likely that tempest will make SP resets accessible.

[quote=NQuad1Zero]P.S. why does my Avatar still show me as like a lvl 37 Aran...?[/quote]
You have to manually update it on your BasilID page.

So if you cap on all skills on bosses. You're supposed to use Rolling Spin?

[quote=SAMsboytoy]I would like a custom chart 77k range clean, 108k buffed, 35% boss 48%pdr 90% crit (full combo) and thats all oh lv 3 ss and lv 12 ft

Edit: with a 100k range is am hitting in the 300ks with rs O.O

Edit 2: u need about 350k to cap almost every hit 400k just makes it 100% sure O.o[/quote]

How?... 77k range clean and 100k buffed? o.O i have a 90k range clean and 108k buffed with combo and i dont do 250ks with rolling spin o.o i do around 180 - 200s on the lucky critical

[quote=NQuad1Zero]Wait Im still confused. How do you achieve 90% Crit? I have like A Grade Marksman (which only adds like 2%) and after combo ability I have like 72%? where did the other 18% or really 20% come from? huh?
And I cant remember whether I applied my Phantom Link skill to my aran either...
Oh yes, is it LIKELY that tempest will have SP resets? Cuz like My Rolling Spin is on 1... I thought it was a pretty useless skill at the time and it would appear everyone claims otherwise. I maxed out my 2nd Job and 1st job skills instead lol. And I also maxed out Fenrir and left Final Charge on 1 is that alright? Because I just find Overswing to be a bit wasted with its extra Fenrir Damage Boost so i maxed out Fenrir, to only find out it was a fairly stupid idea according to the rest of the pplz

P.S. why does my Avatar still show me as like a lvl 37 Aran...?[/quote]

Tempest patch will provide SP resets from the Tempest Shop for 100 coins.
Other people got the other 18% or higher from Decent SE, using weapons with pot with crit or using the inner ability (some are just examples)

[quote=phoenix23]Forget it then.[/quote]

Lol, good stuff. I was actually going to post his exact posts from that previous thread.

@SAMSboytoy: If I remember, you said you hit cap damage consistently, it is apparent you don't in this thread.

Back at, Phoenix. Hopefully people who actually ASK this question look at this thread instead of all these familiar faces that already know about it.

lets talk about D%PM do you have the numbers? o.o

To hit cap with FT, with the parameters you listed, @Zarainia, you would need a range of approximately 100k.
This is my estimate.

You could hit the cap more easily with some % boss or by fighting ice-weak monsters, if you just want to see some 999,999's.

[quote=Zarainia]What range would you need to hit cap for those skills (crits and no crits) with:
Whatever PDR from skills (40% i think?), No boss%, 8%Damage
Overswing30, maxed final toss, fb10, afa30, maxed ss, maxed rs[/quote]

Is that a Chelbird you're using?
What's your effective Attack Speed?
And what is your critical rate (full combo)?

And to confirm your data, how much do you hit with a regular non-crit attack?

^Made my day

[quote=SAMsboytoy]I would like a custom chart ...[/quote]

[quote=SAMsboytoy]Stop showing me charts and stuff[/quote]

Forget it then.

Would anyone else like a custom chart?
Just send me whatever you like for PDR, %Boss, %Damage, %Crit.

[quote=PcPls123]You'd need like a 400k range to hit cap with rs. With 100kish range I only hit 250ish.[/quote]

Er...
That's not really what this topic is about. Additionally, I've already precluded damage ranges from the chart since that kind of damage generally relies on a significant amount of %Boss damage that doesn't show up on the damage range.

[quote=Rianael]So if I had about 43k-50k range. What would be better? FT Spam or OSFB? Would be nice if the chart had range numbers.[/quote]

I agree, it'd be great if it was possible. However, I can't take into account everyone's PDR, %Boss, or external %damage.

Instead, ask yourself this: Does FB hit cap? If yes, then OSFB is better. If no, then FT is most likely still better.

So if I had about 43k-50k range. What would be better? FT Spam or OSFB? Would be nice if the chart had range numbers.