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@Primus: I doubt it, but you never know. They could have minor tweaks in any given patch, but I don't expect any major overhaul. Thieves might end up getting something similar to NW's new SP mechanic where it attacks with its own lines, thus removing the hindrance of that 15-hit cap.

@TripleBladez I see! So Im assuming we won't be seeing any increase of % Damage on Dual Blade Skills anytime soon?
And most of all, thank you for the very well informed answer! You'll be receiving a Private Message from me shortly; it's regarding this topic.

@Tekno: Wow thanx for letting me know.... lmaoooo how kasier, with the hyper skill is too much for maple to handle tho

@Tekno: There's a 40% difference in Boss Damage, and you know that doesn't appear in your range. Also note that Final Cut is a 1.6x separate multiplier that doesn't appear in your range. With it in effect, your range would be at 2.24m, and that's greater than 1.5m even without factoring Boss Damage for both classes. Class comparisons of range are a moot point because you have various factors to look at like skill percentage, Boss Damage, skill delays, Critical Damage, etc.

@Primus: 330% * 12 hits is when they're transformed, but Attack Speed is locked at a default of normal (6) when transformed. The damage boost makes up for the speed decrease. 280% * 10 hits is when they're untransformed, which is stronger than Phantom Blow (2380%), but weaker if DB's have FC active (3808%).

This question is somewhat on topic, I was also told that Gigas Wave is being buffed from 200% to 330%, that's 130% damage increase. Why is it then that Dual Blade's Phantom Blow will stay at 200%, while Kaisers are receiving such a massive buff on their main bossing skill?

@PhreshPrynce Hey whatsup! Me and my friend have also wondered on this. Luckily I have a Dual Blade with 1.4m Range,And he has a Kaiser with 1.5m Range. He also uses Speed Infusion,While I dont. We have similar ranges but for some reason,even if his attacks are faster, I seem to be dealing a lot more DPS,We both are around 300% boss with the exception i have 335% and he has 295%.We tested it on Gollux and it take hims roughly 7 minutes to solo,and me 3 minutes or so.Hope this helped. BTW. I can confirm that he just found out about the MPE Green Pots. and went crazy,tried to use it with his hyper skill PLUS DSI,And kept dcing.lmfao.

@EatNow: http://maplestory.nexon.net/news/maintenance/announcements/00HkO/

Hoping the SC helps with your Kaiser's d/c issues. You should be able to break past the cap now.

@TripleBladez: I'm assuming that nexon just can't code to save its life which is causing all these differences. I haven't tried attacking with my kaiser with AYA active. Maybe it'll work for my kaiser and not DC me. With my current self buffs though, maple can't handle it

@EatNow: Ah, I see. I have no idea then why an Extreme Green Potion isn't working for your Kaiser.

Could they have capped the speed at faster (0) now even though Extreme Green Potions can break the faster (2) cap in a recent update? My NL was able to go to faster (-1) during the RED update with an Extreme Green Potion and AYA. The delay calculations I made backed it up that it wasn't hard capped at faster (0). Unfortunately, I can't test it again now since my BaM friend is inactive. A silent fix to prevent players from reaching negative speed might be possible.

@TripleBladez: The DC issue regarding the blinking majesty buff has been fixed and is still fixed. I have no problems with it when I use the buff with just DSI.
It's the fact that (I think) I reach below 0 speed that it makes me DC. Normal 6 - 2 blaze up - 2 charged morph - 1 DSI = (1)
Green potions have no effect on my kaiser with those buffs I just mentioned. Majesty acts as a green potion which allows the green potion to take effect, allowing me to reach (-1) speed for a brief 30 seconds. However I don't last that long because I dc to login within one-two attacks anyway.

I main a Night Lord and Kaiser right now, but NLs reach (0) with booster/green pot/DSI. I don't think regular SI (-2) allows me to break (0) though. The atk speed felt the same.

I heard some kaisers used the +1 attack speed to glitch a gain in speed without DCing but I'm not sure at all. Their small numbers and lack of activity makes it difficult to confirm.

[quote=EatNow]Yup, it has been happening ever since green potions could break the cap. I tried to use a green potion with my DSI, but nothing happened. Then I used my lv150 hyper skill (+1 atk speed for 30 sec) and my attacks suddenly got [i]way[/i] faster. 1-2 seconds of holding the key down -> DC to login screen.[/quote]

Majesty is able to break the speed cap on its own, IIRC. It used to send you to the login screen if you kept attacking when the buff was about to disappear, so maybe it's related to your current issue (though it seems you d/c whenever the buff's active). That issue was fixed in 1.41 I think, but maybe it's been "un-fixed" again. I don't know if the cap break also nullifies Extreme Green Potions from working (increasing your Attack Speed) since it should still give Attack Speed +1 regardless, but crazier theories have happened before.

On a side note, can you pass faster (0) on another class? Some have said they're also capped at faster (0), but I'm inclined to think otherwise.

[quote=EatNow]Honest of course but I don't think it's my computer that can't handle it. It's 99.99% maple's fault for being coded so horrifically and being so unstable.

Yup, it has been happening ever since green potions could break the cap. I tried to use a green potion with my DSI, but nothing happened. Then I used my lv150 hyper skill (+1 atk speed for 30 sec) and my attacks suddenly got [i]way[/i] faster. 1-2 seconds of holding the key down -> DC to login screen.[/quote]

Amazing lol. Thats whats up.

[quote=PhreshPrynce]You being honest or trolling? You mean to tell me you reach such insane speeds the game your pc can't handle it? that's pretty funny lol.[/quote]

Honest of course but I don't think it's my computer that can't handle it. It's 99.99% maple's fault for being coded so horrifically and being so unstable.

[quote=TripleBladez]@EatNow: Interesting. Has this always been happening since Extreme Green Potions could break the cap, or is this a recent thing?[/quote]

Yup, it has been happening ever since green potions could break the cap. I tried to use a green potion with my DSI, but nothing happened. Then I used my lv150 hyper skill (+1 atk speed for 30 sec) and my attacks suddenly got [i]way[/i] faster. 1-2 seconds of holding the key down -> DC to login screen.

@EatNow: Interesting. Has this always been happening since Extreme Green Potions could break the cap, or is this a recent thing?

[quote=EatNow]DB with green potions+DSI beat kaisers since kaiser speeds are glitched and don't go any lower than 0. The 150 hyper breaks that, however I just DC cause its too fast.[/quote]

You being honest or trolling? You mean to tell me you reach such insane speeds the game your pc can't handle it? that's pretty funny lol.

@TripleBladez: Yes, untransformed only. Transformed is stuck at (6) speed no matter what skills/pots are used.

gigas wave + wing beat +tempest blades = oh dam

wingbeat + cursebite for constant dps plus giga waves is best damage for kaiser although idk there speed. I know that dbs can hit beyond speed cap with si and mpe but it can potentially crash your game. idk which would be better in dps since its like 12hits + 2 hits of wing beat + 4? more for cursebite so if those are all capping it is potentially stronger than db but can you cap on cursebite?

@gotarmaru: No, it's just -2 attack speed.

Kaiser gets so many hits per second from Wingbeat and Cursebite.

@EatNow: Untransformed?

If i Read correctly, it says that Katara booster Doubles Attack Speed meaning a Multiplicative factor correct?

[quote=TripleBladez]They have the same delay with the DB revamp now, so just look at the skill percentage * hits. For DB's, include Mirror Image obviously.[/quote]

DB with green potions+DSI beat kaisers since kaiser speeds are glitched and don't go any lower than 0. The 150 hyper breaks that, however I just DC cause its too fast.

For now, phantom blow > gigas, but after giags gets buffed to 330%, then phantom blow has no chance

They have the same delay with the DB revamp now, so just look at the skill percentage * hits. For DB's, include Mirror Image obviously.

giga wave still better since it does same damage for all lines

What happened to Venom? It's fast as Wing beat right?