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Sounds good to me. I don't have any banned accounts but seems to be a sound idea. Sign me up.

@iLoveJesters: Well if those people learned how to explain themselves better then maybe I could back a reason up and go more in depth. Instead a lot of people are just wasting their posts in this thread. I wouldn't mind creating a new clean version of this btw but really my point is if they don't explain themselves, it doesn't look logical.

@puretppc: I've read them too. Clearly, you don't. Could they go in depth more? yes, any statement could be developed further, but at that point you're just nitpicking and nitpicking doesn't win arguements.

@iLoveJesters: They don't look self explanatory. I even explained to them why this is a good idea and even the most common reasons of disagreement are already explained out. Trust me I'm know what I'm talking about.

@Moonix: Well explaining after I explain back. People keep beating around the bush.

[quote=puretppc]@iLoveJesters: I'm fine with my IGN. I don't know why people are judging me as if I dislike it. In fact, I've used this IGN for other games like Runescape (and even better stats than in Maplestory). Well maybe Nexon really has a lack of commitment for improvement. If I were a public figure like Sidney Crosby suggesting this, I bet it would be a whole different story. But really I'm not a famous guy so I guess people will just take this as a joke.

Anyways, I won't give up on this petition. Maybe I might change BasilMarket by making people explain themselves more. Or I could learn more about why Maplestory sucks.[/quote]

I wasn't directly referring to you. It was more of a figurative "you". As for the whole "explain themselves more" thing, what gives? Most of the things people have said are self-explanatory and I don't get why you're repeating it so much. It's just annoying and pointless, guy. |:
Just because people are too cynical for your petitions doesn't mean Maplestory sucks; Maplestory sucks for different reasons. You might be referring to Basilmarket though.

@iLoveJesters: I'm fine with my IGN. I don't know why people are judging me as if I dislike it. In fact, I've used this IGN for other games like Runescape (and even better stats than in Maplestory). Well maybe Nexon really has a lack of commitment for improvement. If I were a public figure like Sidney Crosby suggesting this, I bet it would be a whole different story. But really I'm not a famous guy so I guess people will just take this as a joke.

Anyways, I won't give up on this petition. Maybe I might change BasilMarket by making people explain themselves more. Or I could learn more about why Maplestory sucks.

@KingMookie: I said "30 days after DENIAL". Do you really need glasses? Well right now they have that but I doubt they'll have one sooner or later. Btw, the second chance system isn't for players that have a hacking history. So I'm sure Nexon is able to manually identify why a person got banned.

So I have to dissect this too. Please just drop this...
[quote=puretppc]Well how else do you change this game? Nexon won't listen to you unless a bunch of players agree. That's why they made "A Better Maple" a sort of looking petition for suggestions. This suggestion wasn't put there because people probably didn't know about that as much, which also shows why most of these disagreeing comments don't show any reading at all and all they think of is deleting any character that is fully inactive.[/quote]
A petition isn't a guaranteed change, and the fact that you're sole basis to persist with this discussion is that you believe in the power of an online petition against a company that has history of ignoring them makes me want to drop this chat.

[quote=puretppc]Really? Petitions are bad on BasilMarket? Then explain [url=http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2660795]this[/url]. It was in fact successful.[/quote]
Yes, they're useless. What we got and you're so convinced is the fruit of a petition is a copy of the [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUEZWaFlngg]CMST UI[/url]. That's how that is explained.

[quote=puretppc]I have been around for that long but I'm not an active daily player anymore. Things change fast and even missing a few days is like missing a few months work of trends. So don't think that this petition sucks and is useless. It's the only way through communication. Even your explaination does not make this logically why this is ridiculous and you really are stealing the first post.[/quote]
No kidding, petitions have always been around. I've "signed" some too, but they've basically become the next "I'm gonna submit a ticket". Albeit, petitions work, realize they have other stuff to worry about and consider. I'm pretty damn sure they're aware how much people yearn for original IGNs they can't get and if they could easily give them to you, who knows, they would.

[quote=puretppc]We both know that Nexon sucks too much to improve but the only way we can make them improve is if we use a petition. How else will they fix this? Do they got time for making proposals for votes? All they do is code to what KMS does.[/quote]
I never said Nexon sucks. It's tough working with other people's material, like I said before. They're porting a game, not making one.

@canerias: Well that's what Nexon has got to do is determine a person's innocence. And this game is hard to determine that because there's just a lot of hackers trying to cause the innocent to be banned. If Nexon denies the appeal, then they will not EVER get banned.

Dude, stop thinking of the innocent banned people because most of those people banned are ACTUALLY offenders. Why would people be perma banned innocently? Well because either they're not innocent or for those who are really innocent like @iMira Nexon has its logs to believe that they are not innocent.

So why don't you sign this petition instead of wasting time posting?

@puretppc

I have never said that, actually you are almost completely way off. I was saying that removing the IGN of people who was perma-banned (and with an unban appeal rejected) would be good because back during the early day, people simply locked good IGNs by getting perma-banned.

So basically, as long as there is a way to prevent innocent perma-banned people from losing their IGN before getting unbanned, im fine with the deletions.

@iLoveJesters: Well how else do you change this game? Nexon won't listen to you unless a bunch of players agree. That's why they made "A Better Maple" a sort of looking petition for suggestions. This suggestion wasn't put there because people probably didn't know about that as much, which also shows why most of these disagreeing comments don't show any reading at all and all they think of is deleting any character that is fully inactive.

Really? Petitions are bad on BasilMarket? Then explain [url=http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2660795]this[/url]. It was in fact successful.

I have been around for that long but I'm not an active daily player anymore. Things change fast and even missing a few days is like missing a few months work of trends. So don't think that this petition sucks and is useless. It's the only way through communication. Even your explaination does not make this logically why this is ridiculous and you really are stealing the first post.

We both know that Nexon sucks too much to improve but the only way we can make them improve is if we use a petition. How else will they fix this? Do they got time for making proposals for votes? All they do is code to what KMS does.

@puretppc: Ok I'm just going to answer you with quotes 'cause I'm tired of repeating myself.

[quote=puretppc] blah blah blah ...[b]Remember, this thread does not talk about whether a cheater has gotten away with it or not.[/b] This is that cheating can burn away an IGN fully. And this thread also is about those who have for sure been banned already permanently, should have their IGNs taken away. I mean why wouldn't you accept this idea anyways now? [/quote]
-[quote=puretppc] @iLoveJesters: I mean you should really join this petition. Even though it's like "first come first serve" but people who have cheated to being first [b]shouldn't deserve to keep that.[/b] They should instead go back to the public to "first come" that. [/quote]

[quote=puretppc] blah blah blah ... And this thread also is about those who have for sure been banned already permanently, should have their IGNs taken away. [b]I mean why wouldn't you accept this idea anyways now?[/b][/quote]
-[quote=iLoveJesters]blah blah blah... I never said I wouldn't "do" this. I just said it was ridiculous. It's ridiculous because I've seen countless "pls i wnt gud igns, pls" threads with different faces on. [b]Look, I wouldn't mind if this happens, I just think that making a petition for it is well... ridiculous. When Nexon sees fit, they'll do it, if they ever do.[/b][/quote]

In addition to all of this, I can understand why you're defending your petition and why you refuse to see my reason to be so pessimistic; there's no down-side to supporting it, and you're right, but at this point seeing a player trying to make the effort to change the game, [i]specially through a petition[/i], just irks me. Seeing a petition thread in basil is just a bad trend at this point and that's probably why you're getting so much negative feedback. I think that for someone who claims to have been around for almost 3 years, you seem a bit too naive(or maybe optimistic) as to how things change. Once again, I might just be some pessimistic grump but the first thing I thought of when I read the thread was "this is ridiculous".

@Pamplemousse: Well, the thing about this is that more and more hackers since last year seem to be using IGNs that are easy to memorize. It's not like the past where they could be doing things like "ssefijesij148".

@iLoveJesters: Yes I certainly remember those days when we had such enormously high attack items. Then again, duping was there and eventually they got extinct. Remember, this thread does not talk about whether a cheater has gotten away with it or not. This is that cheating can burn away an IGN fully. And this thread also is about those who have for sure been banned already permanently, should have their IGNs taken away. I mean why wouldn't you accept this idea anyways now?

@Regatzopunk: This is not my cause and I'm pretty sure that my attitude is better than what you could say. If you got nothing reasonable to disagree on then you shouldn't be wasting time posting.

@canerias: Now that I saw your edited post, I'm seeing that you're talking about the idea of "first come first serve". Well guess what? Those who lock their IGNs in a permanently banned way, is going nowhere so that's why Nexon needs to bring this back to public. They're basically "cheating to first". So unless you got a better reason for this, stop wasting posts.

@DJShoco: Well you don't necessarily have to write code to delete all of this. They could just manually delete the database. I know this may take hours but little by little should be removed, starting with the oldest banned accounts. Every maintenance should perform this and it shouldn't take too long for a few but after a few maintenances, it should mostly be done.

@ECYZ: Yes especially on BasilMarket, people tend to just try and hate instead of making suggestions to improve. They just complain and sometimes just bash other's suggestions. This has been an ongoing trend for years not just months.

@Zouyiro: Well, they have to suffer with losing their special IGN. And what are the chances of this anyways? Like even rarer than a lottery ticket I tell you. If somebody's really getting a second chance, by the time those people would be quitting. Really, unless you got a logical reason for posting a disagreement, then don't waste your time posting. Seriously, this is a petition and it's real suggestion, and if you have nothing supportive or logically opposite, then don't post.

@puretppc: with that attitude noone is going to help your cause

They don't do that because in the future they can get a second, third or even more chance to come back with a mass unban like last time

@puretppc: I'm sorry if you find the way I communicate complicated, I'll admit using different posts might confuse you. Anyways you said "Even though it's like "first come first serve" but people who have cheated to being first shouldn't deserve to keep that. They should instead go back to the public to "first come" that." I assumed you'd be able to put 2 and 2 together and realize that I was referring to how throughout the game's life "cheaters" have gotten away with it or if they [i]are[/i] punished, then it takes quite some time. Ofcourse, you might've been exclusively referring to igns, but I went a step further and referred to other aspects of the game.
For example:
-the no explode EEs and I'm not talking about the recent one. I'm talking about the one that announced when anyone got 10 stars. We had cravens and STs running WAY too long after most things were supposedly patched.
-I believe there are still some gold earrings and PSS with ~30 att on them around? maybe not the PSS, but I can assure you gold earrings.
-50% 2h scrolls that were farmable through making Aran's over and over.
-duped GM scrolls(the reason they're untradeable now, I think?), mounts, etc
-I'm sure I can think of more if I take the time, but I really hope you don't hold me to that because that'll be a waste of both of our times.
You've been around for almost 3 years, I'm sure you've seen how this game is ran. Also, don't take this as a bash on the way Nexon handle's the game. I've never joined in the Nexon NA bashing whenever these things happen mainly because I can imagine dealing with a game you haven't created can be hard, specially when it's a Korean MMO.

[quote=puretppc]@pamplemousse: Yes even though a lot of hackers have crap IGNs but because they hack and gain lots of profit, they'll eventually start buying good ones and so because they bought them, they'll be banned sooner or later for being caught hacking. Also, usage, is not the only reason I put this up. Program running speed is also another factor. Please read before you disagree. Thanks.[/quote]

usage is not the only reason but it's one of them. but still, i hastily skimmed through your OP, saw "plus a lot of people want to use their IGNs", and thought this was just a shady way of someone trying to get a "good" ign, my bad.

i don't think it's a terrible idea, but it's not like a buttload of good igns would be freed up, imo.

[quote=ChiefOfBandits]i think they should do something like what league of legends did
if you're inactive, your IGN is opened up to whoever is gonna take it
and when you log back in, you choose a new IGN[/quote]
A few MMOs do this^ and it works out fine. Maplers seem to think that it will cause an apocalypse or something, so the minute you mention it everybody freaks out.
To the naysayers: It's appealing to newer players if they can get the IGN they want. Stop being dumb.

Although I support your idea I should let you know of another factor of why will this not work, now in order to impelemnt a system such as this
they will have to write some kind of program to idealy delete the IGNs in the accounts of banned players and then include this program inside of their servers
(because nothing of this sort will be done manually).
and as we all know nexon - a single update could risk the game and bring glitches, bugs and crashes (from both sides).
so basically a single bug in a line of software could potentially, maybe include some legit or uninactive accounts to be thrown into the void
along with the hacked accounts.

tl;dr? - nexon "may" mess this process up leading to every player suffer (and rage quit...).

@ChiefOfBandits: It's a little too far ahead because of the legit people. I mean the purpose of this petition is to target the ones who have been banned so it can open up for the legits. But it's not a bad suggestion. Lets just get this one first and we'll see about yours.

@enduct: Yes thanks for understanding. It seems like most people who disagreed don't understand much about what this really is.

@Business: It's for perma banned players only.

@MyNameIsGregory: Alright got you.

@pedropimp101: Where is your optimism this will work?

I agree, how else am i supposed to get IGNs like vwvvvwwwvv

@iLoveJesters: Well I do know how things run as I've played this for like 3 years almost 4 next month. What part am I missing? See you should try to explain yourself, anyways instead of having to talk this in multiple posts.

@DrDonkers: I know right? These people just have a lack of commitment to work. Anyways I'll add you in.

If its for perma bans, im in.
But for bans of a few months, its not fair to get the ign deleted lol.

I don't see why this guy is getting all the hate he is. If someone goes against the ToS of the game and gets permabanned, their characters should be DELETED. what is the point in keeping them around?

@pamplemousse: Yes even though a lot of hackers have crap IGNs but because they hack and gain lots of profit, they'll eventually start buying good ones and so because they bought them, they'll be banned sooner or later for being caught hacking. Also, usage, is not the only reason I put this up. Program running speed is also another factor. Please read before you disagree. Thanks.

@puretppc: How long have you played this game? You should know how things run in it.

I don't really see a point...I mean, a lot of banned IGNs are just random stuff like aqelr2iwdekz...don't see anyone who would want that.

@Singuy: Did you forget to read the Conditions part of the first post? Secondly, this is also for game speed.

@Regatzopunk: I'm fine with mine thanks for wasting your comment.

TS is butthurt because he realized his favorite IGN was 'stolen' by some inactive noob with a beta's mark hat.

The only reason you want this is to get your hands on a nicer IGN, we can all see your intentions

@iLoveJesters: I mean you should really join this petition. Even though it's like "first come first serve" but people who have cheated to being first shouldn't deserve to keep that. They should instead go back to the public to "first come" that.

@harley123: Well, I don't know but maybe in the future increase the length of the IGN to 15?

[quote=puretppc] Well the IGNs have to be gone and in the rankings. A lot of "good" IGNs belong to banned people. My reasoning also has something to do with the game speed. If there are fewer accounts still in the system, then it should be faster. [/quote]

See, I know enough about technology to know that removing data from my computer speeds it up. However I don't know about hosting an MMORPG database and how accounts work in regards to that. I seriously doubt you know so that point, although it could be valid, is moot.

@puretppc: I know hackers and banned accounts would be a main priority, but just think about accounts that havnt been used for the past 5-8 years.

@ToonYoshi: This is regarding any banned characters. Like I said, inactive characters that aren't banned don't count. Did you read?

@canerias: I never stated anything about unbanned ones. And I already said that like twice that there must be a time condition for it to be removed. So should I count you in?

@iLoveJesters: Well the IGNs have to be gone and in the rankings. A lot of "good" IGNs belong to banned people. My reasoning also has something to do with the game speed. If there are fewer accounts still in the system, then it should be faster.

@souevks: What do you mean on your first sentence? The thing about thinking of new ones is that it's not fair that hackers steal them. If they're banned they should really have their characters kicked out.

This is a terrible idea, especially with Skelorm roaming the appeal domains...
Those IGN are gone, go think of some new ones

[quote=AeroSpace]punish people for getting good igns early just because you can't think of a good ign? ok[/quote]

This.
Actually, it's not even if "you can't think of a good ign", because it's a fact that little by little, they'll all be gone. It's the fact that you can't be content with having some 2nd, 3rd, or less tier IGN that makes this a problem. Everytime this kind of thread pops up, it's always the same hidden reason "I'm tired of having this lame ign, while Jane Doe over there got a one word, 4 letter ign from a hacker".

[quote=puretppc]I don't understand your point. Why wouldn't you do this anyways better yet?[/quote]

I never said I wouldn't "do" this. I just said it was ridiculous. It's ridiculous because I've seen countless "pls i wnt gud igns, pls" threads with different faces on. Look, I wouldn't mind if this happens, I just think that making a petition for it is well... ridiculous. When Nexon sees fit, they'll do it, if they ever do.

Removing inactive people IGN? Definitely not, its a pretty stupid idea and shouldnt happen at any situation.

Removing permabanned people IGN after a while? Sure but the deal is that there are wrongful permabans as well, so a few tweaks would be needed to implement this.

Anyways removing the perma-banned IGNs wouldnt be a bad idea, afterall a lot of people back on the days locked many good IGNs on purpose by just getting perma-banned intentionally.

[quote=iLoveJesters]Why would you want to do this? I've read through your thread and haven't seen a legitimately decent reason. Probably the best you could muster up is that it'll supposedly help clear out the game and that's shy of what could be considered a decent reason.[/quote]

I don't understand your point. Why wouldn't you do this anyways better yet?

@Nidalee is that a yes or no?

@Harley123: Eh I probably wouldn't go this far because hackers are what matters more.

@enduct: Well banned characters have a very rare chance of getting unbanned. And I never said anything about characters that are inactive and not banned.

@Aerospace: No I don't think it's a good idea to hurt the legits. Your reasoning doesn't make sense I'm sorry.

@Rockboarder: removed that condition.

removal after 7days also hurts people that have hottime mules
then people argue having hot time mules is unfair
then people argue people who have hot time mules deserve them and people who think its unfair are lazy

count me in it's a great idea
haters gonna hate

remember the petition for the colorblind option that did pass years ago that never was implemented

[quote=puretppc]Why would you say that is?

Unless you stop beating around the bush, stop stealing the first post in a bad way.[/quote]

Why would you want to do this? I've read through your thread and haven't seen a legitimately decent reason. Probably the best you could muster up is that it'll supposedly help clear out the game and that's shy of what could be considered a decent reason.

Also, it's not my intend to "steal the first post" and the fact that you think it's something to be valued- well that's another thing.

[quote=AeroSpace]this is retarded and has been shot down so many times[/quote]

And you can logically explain better?

I think this is a good idea. Even if they deleted character igns from accounts that haven't been used in several years, that'd be great! They need to do an ign sweep for sure. Count me in.

[quote=iLoveJesters]This is ridiculous[/quote]

Why would you say that is?

Unless you stop beating around the bush, stop stealing the first post in a bad way.

This is ridiculous