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@Mystelteinn: Did the Gm... Moo?

[quote=xGumiGna]@DeathmanX0:

@Mystelteinn: Pay to win indeed, i was in a GM event over the summer and a GM said "Thanks for paying!"[/quote]

That......was probably a typo, yet i find it more than appropriate if it was true.

Oh, Nexon....how could you sell your soul for so little XD

@DeathmanX0:

@Mystelteinn: Pay to win indeed, i was in a GM event over the summer and a GM said "Thanks for paying!"

@Ginna : Just dish out $$$. Best way to get anything done in this game anyways.

Unless you want to spend countless hours trading, which i find completely unappealing as far as gaming purpose go.

Besides, not even using RA gear. RA and Tyrant is OP'd as heck. One of the many ways Nexon found to tell us that they wanted us to dish out more money in their game for P2Win. And they're probably gonna do the same thing with lvl 200 equips or whatever in a fews, mark my words

@xGumiGna: Indeed you are

@DeathmanX0: at least I'm a higher level than you <3

[quote=xGumiGna]@Mystelteinn: Can I buy your equips? *.* at least B>Ra gear no one has them in Broa to sell LOL.

Oh i see, well you are missed =p

And dedication <3[/quote]

Poor Gina, trying to get on my level of damage

@Mystelteinn: Can I buy your equips? *.* at least B>Ra gear no one has them in Broa to sell LOL.

Oh i see, well you are missed =p

And dedication <3

[quote=xGumiGna]JULIAN! WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN ALL THIS TIME? >.< >.< >.< >.< >.<[/quote]

Hai Ginna!

I tried to quit for good. At least I managed to stay away from MS during summer.

Came back, tried it again. Still so boring. Nothing to do except grind, and events, which results in more grinding.

How did you even manage 209 o-o.

[quote=Mystelteinn]Paladin.

/P2s.[/quote]

JULIAN! WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN ALL THIS TIME? >.< >.< >.< >.< >.<

[quote=MyTiramisu]@Mystelteinn: For some of the bypassing damage reflects i'll explain, I don't include DoT's but I do include single skills that ignore DR: I/L's ice orbs, F/P (well I guess for this one we should kinda of include DoT lol) hyper skill, AB soul seeker, DA massive hp + shield chaser, Cannoneer hyper gets changed to turret system which ignores DR.[/quote]

Phantoms card and final attacks are suppose to get changed as well, came with the patch before RED in KMS

@Mystelteinn: For some of the bypassing damage reflects i'll explain, I don't include DoT's but I do include single skills that ignore DR: I/L's ice orbs, F/P (well I guess for this one we should kinda of include DoT lol) hyper skill, AB soul seeker, DA massive hp + shield chaser, Cannoneer hyper gets changed to turret system which ignores DR.

Does Party Shield not protect against DR?

[quote=MyTiramisu]@Mystelteinn:

1) For classes with higher status resist(inc updates until and of RED balances) : I/L mage, F/P mage, DS, DA, Xenon, Pally, Hero, NL, Shads, Dual blades, Evans for most the time, Luminous, Phantom, Corsair, Mercedes, Buccanaer, Bishop, Aran, Kaiser, Kanna, Mihile, Mechanic, Jett and Thunderbreaker.
2) Is blue aura the skill you're talking about?
3 + 4) Classes with binds and/or way to get around damage reflect/cancel: I/L mage, F/P mage, DS, DA, Xenon, Pally, Phantom, Kaiser, Kanna, AB, Dark Knight, Mihile, Dawn Warrior, Hero and Cannoneer (and if mechanic hyper and WH bullet thing works the same as I/L mages ice circle, it shouldn't trigger DR either)

Just going to rebut a common argument, no, I don't mean that BaM's are bad because they don't have all of these. But BaM's have little bossing utility because they have very little to none of these, which was the point I was trying to get across.[/quote]

1) Wow, never realized there was that many. I guess I don't spend as much time as I could (LOL!) looking at other classes, even if it's for a measly 5% more status resist or more.

2) No idea, it's been a while since i last played on my BaM, but I do remember that some skill was glitched because it is actually supposed protect us from 1/1 and it wasn't working.

3 and 4 were two different points (Binding and Passing damage reflect) : Once again, I haven't been around recently, but tons of the classes you've mentionned I don't remember them having either bind skills nor damage reflect bypassing capacities. One that comes to mind quickly would be Cannoneer. I have a lvl 140 Cannoneer and I really don't remember it having neither bind nor damage reflect bypassing. And then again, if by DR bypassing you mean DoTs, we do have DoTs as well, so it shouldn't count for any other classes.

[quote=Mystelteinn]Our overall survivability is above average, along with party usefulness, providing more damage, dodge, and an increase defense / reduction of incoming damage. Top that with the fact that we're an above average attacker, and I'd say we've got ourselves a pretty good, above average, tank/fighter/mage.[/quote]

Just to add to this: in terms of training we have very high survivability. Yes you can argue other classes are better at bossing because they can bind, and have some skills that attack through DR. But when we throw in getting to a high level to be able to boss, Bams are close to the top. The amount of complaining I hear from people because they get 3 shooted at future Perion golems is just plain funny coming from a Bams point of view.

I guess we are alright, kinda low on damage, but just wait for the FLY update. We attack faster and I heard that there are some modifications to our % skills.
Ele staves used to me a must but after that update, you should get a staff that has the most magic attack. Makes the most sense that way.

1) Its pretty good. by the time you get sweeping staff you should have around ~23-26k health (with conversion) so you can pretty much survive most hits from bosses. defense and the avoid is not bad plus drain is awesome (assuming you have your weapon speed is at cap with booster and AYA).
2) ele staff is pretty good. you can get a pretty decent one nowadays for really cheap but since in future updates, big crunch aura allows us to hit cap speed with any staff, if you can also get a fafnir/terminus/or even empress get it and save it for later if you can.
3) %int is only cheap if a common item. for end game gear %int is pretty expensive so most people just make their own or perhaps you can get lucky with sellers.
4) well i for one quit maple for a while but one day for some reason saw some vid on youtube and a BaM was using BKB/sweeping staff and i was like damnnnn so that motivated me to start playing again and level haha.

good luck with your BaM!

@Mystelteinn:

1) For classes with higher status resist(inc updates until and of RED balances) : I/L mage, F/P mage, DS, DA, Xenon, Pally, Hero, NL, Shads, Dual blades, Evans for most the time, Luminous, Phantom, Corsair, Mercedes, Buccanaer, Bishop, Aran, Kaiser, Kanna, Mihile, Mechanic, Jett and Thunderbreaker.
2) Is blue aura the skill you're talking about?
3 + 4) Classes with binds and/or way to get around damage reflect/cancel: I/L mage, F/P mage, DS, DA, Xenon, Pally, Phantom, Kaiser, Kanna, AB, Dark Knight, Mihile, Dawn Warrior, Hero and Cannoneer (and if mechanic hyper and WH bullet thing works the same as I/L mages ice circle, it shouldn't trigger DR either)

Just going to rebut a common argument, no, I don't mean that BaM's are bad because they don't have all of these. But BaM's have little bossing utility because they have very little to none of these, which was the point I was trying to get across.

[quote=MyTiramisu]%dex is by far the cheapest at the moment.
They have really low status resist, no protection against %hp attacks (for now), no bind, no way to get around damage reflect/magic cancel, low ignore %def compared to some classes.[/quote]

1) As do most classes, 'cept a select few or tanks (i.e. Paladin / DS)
2) Because some skills are glitched, along with our very own character card, which should act as an HP% atk
3) Once again, most classes don't.
4) For a third time, most classes don't, except a recent few addition / OP classes.

Our overall survivability is above average, along with party usefulness, providing more damage, dodge, and an increase defense / reduction of incoming damage. Top that with the fact that we're an above average attacker, and I'd say we've got ourselves a pretty good, above average, tank/fighter/mage.

%dex is by far the cheapest at the moment.
Although they may be very tanky in places like SH and HoH, I find that they aren't that amazing in terms of utility and survivability at bosses. They have really low status resist, no protection against %hp attacks (for now), no bind, no way to get around damage reflect/magic cancel, low ignore %def compared to some classes. I'm motivated to keep playing because their skills are really fun to use, I didn't think i'd have so much fun spamming two skills over and over. Also they get buffed like 3 patches in a row after this one so yeah.

You guys really make me want to start up my Battle Mage again Forgot how fun/unique it was.

[quote=4lorn1]I don't really see any other classes with better survivability than a BaM. We have high base hp, with conversion to double it. We have 60% dodge rate from AYA+BB(not too sure on that one), damage reduction from ABA, and a drain skill.[/quote]

Paladin.

/P2s.

[quote=4lorn1]I don't really see any other classes with better survivability than a BaM. We have high base hp, with conversion to double it. We have 60% dodge rate from AYA+BB(not too sure on that one), damage reduction from ABA, and a drain skill.[/quote]

You are correct on the 60% dodge rate. The main problem with our survivability is that, we have very low abnormal resistance. This means that status effects such as subduce and stun have a much better chance happening on us. The good news is, you can get potions to increase your abnormal resistance!

I don't really see any other classes with better survivability than a BaM. We have high base hp, with conversion to double it. We have 60% dodge rate from AYA+BB(not too sure on that one), damage reduction from ABA, and a drain skill.

[quote=mrxxkim]don't mistake % int being the cheapest as being the cheapest overall. [/quote]
That is a very good point. The not so good % int stuff is cheap. But once you get into the good % int stuff, you will be paying billions.

Thanks for all the great answers. Since Terminus/Fafnir are out of my reach Ill just use an ele or emp staff. Thanks.

don't mistake % int being the cheapest as being the cheapest overall. Yes, they may be one of the cheapest stats when it comes to large supply of certain equips, (such as tempest shoulders, rings, belts and etc). However, godly int% items are considered expensive since there are no supply of them. It's either you get lucky on finding sellers or you will most likely end up making some of the equips yourself.

1. Excellent because of our high defense, followed by blood drain.
2. Ele staff 163 is a weapon you should get for end game. Keep in mind in KMS, the FLY update makes it seem that Bams can use slow staffs and still hit speed cap. This means that the ele 163 staff might be outclassed by a fanfir staff.
3. Apparently dex % is the cheapest however, I argue that int % is the cheapest due to the lack of new classes that are mages.
4. This question does not apply to me at all, considering I was lv 200 before hyper skills came out. However, in other people's opinions I would say they were motivated for sweeping staff.
You are most welcome hopefully fellow future Bam

1) Survivability is amazing!
2) It's good if you want cheap. Since they don't get the elemental boost like other mages, some prefer Fafnir (Or Terminus)
3) Yes it is. Technically. When there are a bunch (Like %Int Tempest) it's cheap. But that's due to supply and demand. If you're going for anything else, first comes the problem of finding it, then comes the fact that since there's low supply and a decent amount of demand (People won't go for them if they can go for str, dex, luk), they can drive the price to practically whatever they want.
4) I haven't personally gotten one past 130, but raising my Ice Lightning to get to 170, I was just motivated by how fun it was. People usually say that with Battle Mage, and hope you feel the same way!