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@Sektec:
Of course i do. I like the idea of a charge skill, and strafe reminds me of octopunch which was one of my favorite skills of bucc.

Delete your MM so i don't make one

Imagine no cooldown on Headshot, hehe...
>Mountcancel all day.

@mark24:
it's not THAT bad. especially at lhc (lol) our only serious problem is the damage cap. the new inferno is only 880% (230% difference) which isn't that big. our biggest problem was the lack of damage split. which they provided us with, so i'm happy with it.

you can seriously only argue about how bad our mobbing is, if you have over a 100k range

@mark24: Actually let me clarify, before when leveling to 50 was a couple month affair*

[quote=Florange]Suddenly this thread became a blog.[/quote]

suddenly this thread became a tomatoe.

Suddenly this thread became a blog.

im getting bored of my marksman ima take a break. ima make a shad or nl or both.(probally both)

im naming my nl proxied2. too poor to buy %luck time to go to ardent mill... fml

[quote=bowmushro0m]@mark24: inferno isn't a terrible mobbing skill until you become hindered by the damage cap, which you reach very quickly. pierce would have to be less than 20%, because you can fire close to 8 or 9 shots of uncharged pierce because you can fully charge it once[/quote]

no its more like 3-5 shots. just tested it. inferno is not only 1 hit but around 650% dmg which is probally the lowest dmg of any mob skill used by a 4th job in maplestory. i think only drk has a lower percentage(drk has berserk though and also cant mob for crap or do anything else).

i know how weak inferno is from 1st hand experience. my bm was decently funded with a 200att bow and couldnt even kill lhc right.

@mark24: inferno isn't a terrible mobbing skill until you become hindered by the damage cap, which you reach very quickly. pierce would have to be less than 20%, because you can fire close to 8 or 9 shots of uncharged pierce because you can fully charge it once

[quote=manoqueen]You're so annoying lol. Every other post you make is bragging the other about how everyone else is wrong. 5th job isn't even announced. They're upping the level cap tomorrow and they didn't even add any new content. 5th job is far down the road, if at all.[/quote]

stop reading my post. your ign is more annoying than any of my post.

[quote=mark24]if fp mage gets surivability from 5th job your class will be bandwagoned as well.

anyone with 100%+ dex on their mm can get 195 pretty easily.[/quote]
I don't mind the bandwagoners, I'm not a nazi about my class hehe. My Marksman is actually my main, since I've already sold off all my Mage equips months ago.

[quote=Ecyz]I've been seeing a lot of new Marksmen and they all seem to be in the level 160-170 range. Looks like more people are going for that 195 than you guys think.[/quote]

if fp mage gets surivability from 5th job your class will be bandwagoned as well.

anyone with 100%+ dex on their mm can get 195 pretty easily.

I've been seeing a lot of new Marksmen and they all seem to be in the level 160-170 range. Looks like more people are going for that 195 than you guys think.

if 5th job comes out soon i might be getting off this bandwagon lol

@mark24: Good on you sir.

[quote=Capricious]I don't think much of the game community has the patience to even play a Marksman until level 100, let alone getting to 195 just so they can make use of spammable Snipe.

Of course, there are those who have access to insane amounts of funding that will probably try the class out and just [i]might[/i] give the class a bad reputation if they choose to agitate the majority of the people they see in-game.[/quote]

my 10k range marksman got lv 130 in 2 days with minimal effort on 1x. i am a bandwagoner gg.

rep is seriously overrated

I don't think much of the game community has the patience to even play a Marksman until level 100, let alone getting to 195 just so they can make use of spammable Snipe.

Of course, there are those who have access to insane amounts of funding that will probably try the class out and just [i]might[/i] give the class a bad reputation if they choose to agitate the majority of the people they see in-game.

[quote=rennac123]Ah just let em. Half of them don't have the balls to make it past 100 anyways. At least... that was the case back in the day when leveling to 120 was a weekend affair. Oh well.[/quote]

im lv 130 took me 2 days, i wasnt even trying. making a bm now.

Ah just let em. Half of them don't have the balls to make it past 100 anyways. At least... that was the case back in the day when leveling to 120 was a weekend affair. Oh well.

[quote=manoqueen]@Chris949: heeeey! I'm back to play I guess you could call ME a bandwagoner now Are you still playing? DD[/quote]

Aww, you'll never be a bandwagoner! And what are your play times mine are a bit sporadic. I'll try and check for you today.

[quote=Sektec]I like that. You realize that enjoyable gameplay isn't always about DMG DMG DMG DMG DMG for the most part.[/quote]

i like drk but i dont play it cus it sucks. i need both dmg and awesome gameplay(skills,abilities,mobility,survivability, as well as dmg). mm is good, i am not sure what my main is going to be though.

[quote=KurtCobaine]I made my MM with hyper skills in mind, but I am in love with the class. I hit 195 the other day, and can't wait for hyper skills, but the class is much different from others, and keeps me interested.[/quote]

I like that. You realize that enjoyable gameplay isn't always about DMG DMG DMG DMG DMG for the most part.

I made my MM with hyper skills in mind, but I am in love with the class. I hit 195 the other day, and can't wait for hyper skills, but the class is much different from others, and keeps me interested.

[quote=Sektec]Why would you even use pierce uncharged? o-o spamming pots? why are you getting hit? is moving your character out of the way too hard? puppet? dragon breath? use them.

Not every class can be tank as a pally....[/quote]

i was responding to what the other guy said. i dont use pierce uncharged.

i have been training on glitched maps and i dont have illusion step so i am getting hit.

i like it so far, the charge is annoying but i am just dealing with it. i wanna get this at least lv 175. i need brute squad and next legend before the the new lv cap.

i like the job, i love the buffs and passive skills it has, same reason i like bowmaster, and snipe is fun.

[quote=mark24]comparing any skill to inferno is a waste of time because it is the worst mobbing skill in the game and needs the hyper skill fix.

pierce uncharged does very low dmg compared to charged(i think around 20% of charged dmg), i dont think pierce uncharged is useful, especially after the new dmg cap.

pierce charged is pretty slow but isnt too bad in my opinion

i was talking about my marksman b4 i maxed spirit link. i got it 130 now and i have 9k hp. im spamming pots, gotta get more levels for illusion step.

i hope marksman gets a decent 5th job or i will have to delete this char.[/quote]

Why would you even use pierce uncharged? o-o spamming pots? why are you getting hit? is moving your character out of the way too hard? puppet? dragon breath? use them.

Not every class can be tank as a pally....

[quote=bowmushro0m]@mark24 at my range, pierce would hit 100k (6 times) uncharged. which is 600k total (which goes up as it hits more, 20% each time) and it attacks almost 3 times as fast as inferno without it's charge. so when i spam pierce, i'm doing almost twice the damage i would be doing with inferno (not counting burn damage)

also you don't have high hp for a bm. most i've seena crocky hit is 1.2k. if you'r getting killed in 5 hits (6k hp) then you have AVERAGE hp lol

i have 17k andi've never felt the need for more hp[/quote]

comparing any skill to inferno is a waste of time because it is the worst mobbing skill in the game and needs the hyper skill fix.

pierce uncharged does very low dmg compared to charged(i think around 20% of charged dmg), i dont think pierce uncharged is useful, especially after the new dmg cap.

pierce charged is pretty slow but isnt too bad in my opinion

i was talking about my marksman b4 i maxed spirit link. i got it 130 now and i have 9k hp. im spamming pots, gotta get more levels for illusion step.

i hope marksman gets a decent 5th job or i will have to delete this char.

@mark24 at my range, pierce would hit 100k (6 times) uncharged. which is 600k total (which goes up as it hits more, 20% each time) and it attacks almost 3 times as fast as inferno without it's charge. so when i spam pierce, i'm doing almost twice the damage i would be doing with inferno (not counting burn damage)

also you don't have high hp for a bm. most i've seena crocky hit is 1.2k. if you'r getting killed in 5 hits (6k hp) then you have AVERAGE hp lol

i have 17k andi've never felt the need for more hp

[quote=jorge9213]bm are weaker then wh with the same funding.[/quote]

yeah but bm's are cooler. case closed.

[quote=mark24]im sure you noticed what they did with final atack, they could do something similiar but not as extreme with pierce.[/quote]

Not sure what you're trying to suggest here. If you meant the change to FA during BB, I'm not sure how it can be applied to Pierce.

[quote=mark24]regardless of funding i am thinking you need to charge it. it does 20% of the normal dmg if you do not charge, and it does not do huge numbers either, its about average. it is a very slow atack.[/quote]

... you should probably re-read my post. Of course you should fully charge it if you don't cap. But I said the charge makes the attack faster for [b]everyone[/b].

[quote=mark24]im getting 3 shotted at croci, and i have high hp for a mm.-___- hope this gets better when i max illusion step. lol...[/quote]

I don't get hit that often at LHC. All your main attacks have a longer range than the Crockies' attack. Then there's Elite Puppet and Dragon's Breath.

[quote=Sektec]BM isnt qu33r like the WH.[/quote]

bm are weaker then wh with the same funding.

I can't say that I'm making a MM for the hyper skills (I don't even know what archers are receiving for hyper skills..) but I'm making one specifically because I've stuck with the bow-archers for a few years now. I think it would be nice to have a bit of change and create a Sniper to compliment my BM.

haha who plays archers anymore mayne

but jus cus u sayed dat, imma make one today and ks some noobz

[quote=manoqueen]Umm, you're just another bandwagoner yourself. You say you've been playing as 200 on that character for "years", yet you're ranked as 15k, making it probably less than a year since you leveled to 200. I leveled THIS character to 200 december 2011 and it's ranked 3200. Which makes me think that you probably made your marksman around the time when we got FP: Soul link in a major revamp.

Moral of the story: There will always be a hipster who is more hipster than you. So don't claim to be a hipster. YOLO.

OT: I honestly would feel bad if people were running about as marksmen because it is a special class to me. I'm sure most 200 marksmen feel this way.. However let's face it. Even if we get a huge damage buff it's not going to become a feasible choice of character. We're not getting any real mobility (which every mother--ing job has these days) and survivability. People who bandwagon stuff aren't going to like marksmen because they won't be one of those super divas with incredible teleport of gliding. [b]Marksmen are SLOW and they die easily. I think THIS will save the class from bandwagons! [/b] But I still love my marksman.[/quote]

OMG I haven't seen you on Maple in over a year now whats going on Julie?

[quote=iVege]Actually, it [i]attacks[/i] fast as hell. What you're calling "slow" is the charge. And I never said anything about the charge being fast or slow. I just said that Pierce would be faster with a charge than with an extended delay.[/quote]

im sure you noticed what they did with final atack, they could do something similiar but not as extreme with pierce. regardless of funding i am thinking you need to charge it. it does 20% of the normal dmg if you do not charge, and it does not do huge numbers either, its about average. it is a very slow atack. im getting 3 shotted at croci, and i have high hp for a mm.-___- hope this gets better when i max illusion step. lol...

i hate archers in general mainly cuz they suck at surviving high impact shots from higher lvled monsters/bosses. doesn't matter if they have ridiculous dps, if they get killed quick, it would mean nothing. [b]ABSOLUTELY NOTHING[/b]

[quote=mark24]Ivege you were wrong about piercing arrow. this skill atacks slow as hell lol.[/quote]

Actually, it [i]attacks[/i] fast as hell. What you're calling "slow" is the charge. And I never said anything about the charge being fast or slow. I just said that Pierce would be faster with a charge than with an extended delay.

[quote=Sektec]BM isnt qu33r like the WH.[/quote]

good enough for me, ima make a bm lol

[quote=mark24]Ivege you were wrong about piercing arrow. this skill atacks slow as hell lol. im at croci right now with my mm. i havent killed this slow in a while -____-. i like the job though is very nice overall, same with wild hunter. mm animations are kinda plain but at the same time the simplicity makes them appealing. wildhunter is very powerful and has the best skills of the archers(dmg buffs,100%stance, higher min crit dmg,much better mobility, the abillity to move/jump atack,berserk/call of the wild can be used at all times. the only problem i notice with wh is its mob skill isnt very fun to use in my opinion, and that its kinda weird to be riding a jaguar.wild arrow blast is amazing and i am not seeing bowmasters place. does bm do anything better than a wild hunter?[/quote]

BM isnt qu33r like the WH.

Ivege you were wrong about piercing arrow. this skill atacks slow as hell lol. im at croci right now with my mm. i havent killed this slow in a while -____-. i like the job though is very nice overall, same with wild hunter. mm animations are kinda plain but at the same time the simplicity makes them appealing. wildhunter is very powerful and has the best skills of the archers(dmg buffs,100%stance, higher min crit dmg,much better mobility, the abillity to move/jump atack,berserk/call of the wild can be used at all times. the only problem i notice with wh is its mob skill isnt very fun to use in my opinion, and that its kinda weird to be riding a jaguar.wild arrow blast is amazing and i am not seeing bowmasters place. does bm do anything better than a wild hunter?

[quote=dontspillmymilk]I didn't read anymore after the first line.

The guy who created the DPM charts isn't a "jerk". He was just there to inform us and do some really difficult statistical analysis.

So pay him respect and don't call him that.

Don't be an arrogant elitist.[/quote]

TLDR

[quote=manoqueen]Umm, you're just another bandwagoner yourself. You say you've been playing as 200 on that character for "years", yet you're ranked as 15k, making it probably less than a year since you leveled to 200.[/quote]

Yes, because the game restricts you from having more than one Marksman and basil has ALL my characters. ._. I agree with your OT comment though

[quote=atreyukins]The sole reason I am going to make a MM, purposely not fund it, attempt to KS people, and badmouth the name is all because of you. Look at your decisions and life choices.[/quote]

u maek me very ... y u talk like you knw stuff but ackshully kno NOTHING. go ahed, maek an mm. lol it wont be op as yurr used 2. kthx4listneing. adn y u tlak about life choises? thts kinda irelavent dun u thnk? lol

are there any benefit of making a bowmaster, considering i have a wild hunter? wh has same avoid, same 1v1, same afa, better mobility,better stance,better hp,better mobbing, better criticals,better buffs.

does bowmaster do anything better than wild hunter?

The sole reason I am going to make a MM, purposely not fund it, attempt to KS people, and badmouth the name is all because of you. [b]Look at your decisions and life choices.[/b]

[quote=UsoppStyle]bandwagoners must diee![/quote]

cum fite mi in rl bro!

i like your avatar and ign

im playing mm now. i like it, also made a wild hunter and i enjoy it as well. i was gonna make bm but wh seems like exactly the same or even a better version.(100%stance,mobbing,more dmg buffs,godly mobility,more hp,moving or even jumping while using wild arrow blast).

bandwagoners must diee!

shadower chaos scrolled empress, 20att dkhan, 200att dag, 80%luck

drk 200att spear 120%str

both cost me around 12-15bil in 2012 for each. i didnt have the luxery of playing b4 2011 since 2007. i started from scratch in 2011(i spent time making chars and learning the game and didnt start spending alot on this till march 2012. i spent alot for my 38att shoe, 30att mask and those type of items, i did not get them when they were 15dollars each. i did a decent job funding my characters with options i had available. 130k range on a bowmaster is more than 500usd worth of gear, 190k is maybe 1000 in kradia at the time i made these characters. i hope your not talking buffed.

yeah im guessing i hurt your friends feelings... thats fine you can label me what u like i do not need anything from you lol.

@mark24
I'm not reading anything you're saying anymore cause you've pretty much been labeled in the "perma idiot" section for me.
in other words you're right up there with that annoying ass fartsniffer level 42 bandit who always comes around

( @bluebomber 24 you remember that guy? xD)

anyway, if you spent 300 on a characer and came out with a 55k range..you have a problem xD my friend zach has a 60k range and he's never spent a dime on the game (bowmaster) sulphureyes had a 130k range. (bowmaster) ailmustdie had up to a 190k range (bowmaster)

these are all people who speant next to nothing. pulling a 55k range does not take very much funding. at all.

Who cares. Anything that isn't a boss monster could easily get 1 hit by any class by 195. As for bosses 50mil isn't certain + Marksman will die too quickly when bossing anyways (No stance and hardly any health).

[quote=blazi4ever]@mark24:

* Spend one grand, only manages to get less than 20k range (lol)
* See the SSes I provided you with again
* See your posts [url=http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2571251/8#42729214]here[/url] starting from page 8 - 15.
* You weren't in Noctiv, you were in Honored. Bomber came back to us a month ago.
* If you just got a job to "fund" yourself just to ks us, that's just flat out sad.

So much for "made up" posts. You should just stop spewing hogwash cause it's making your argument look worse.[/quote]

spent 300$ estimated on my shadower=55k clean range lv165

spent estimated 300$ on my drk=60k clean range lv 175

nx items,mb,untradable,scissor,etc, on 20+ chars= how i ended up starting over again

300$=scammed

used nx cards in my closet=500$(thew away the rest)

great job getting ss that prove nothing.

bomber leaving quick af is what i remember, go ahead and try to clean it up now bomber lol.

you can link every thread i have ever created, im not seeing where i say they cant mob and the reason for this argument, you are not even saying what is wrong with what i said.

i got a job cus i like making money and thats also irrelevent. regardless of why i am working, i am taking real actions to do what i said.

i spent 1.5bil on my kaiser and it had 45k clean range, if i had spent 1000 on it, it would be closer to 150-200k wtf are you talking about.
my opinon of marksman right now is that they dont have the best mobility but it isnt the worse either. they have been glitched for a long time and were i am told were recently fixed(although illusion step broke again like a week or 2 ago). marksman still have low survivability and mobility compared to other classes.

i do a good job of being truthful and giving accurate information although i make mistakes, you on the other hand are a liar and constantly talk about things pertaining me(cus thats all you talk about), which you know nothing about.

ivege i said that because i felt i was being to overly critical, i was not being a hypocrite i was changing my opinion. i do not think i was completely wrong about their mobility but i do think it is good enough not to be considered garbage like aran's and bucc's.

@Sektec , could you please just do us all a favor and lock this thread?