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Hero weapon multiplier advantage

@ChopSuey made an intresting discovery - unlike Dark Knights and Paladins, Heroes have a weapon multiplier of 1.44 for a 2h sword and 1.3 for 1h sword.
Apparently, this isn't from skills, since it was tested with and without SP.

Screenshots provided:

[url=http://i.imgur.com/653ohd2.jpg]For Heroes[/url] - we can see it is 1.44 for 2h and 1.3 for 1h.
[url=http://i.imgur.com/D3LaUfr.jpg]For Paladins[/url] - we can see it is 1.34 for 2h and 1.2 for 1h - this is what's more weird to me.
[url=http://i.imgur.com/bcCF7B2.jpg]For Dark Knights[/url] - we can see it is 1.34 for 2h and 1.2 for 1h.

Discuss

EDIT: seems like Heroes get an extra 0.1 to their weapon multiplier from [url=http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=71680]this[/url] thread.
@dwagonslay @cb000 @rexaar would appreciate if you guys comment here

September 13, 2015

7 Comments • Newest first

SnoopyPig

[quote=rexaar]This is new to me.

After, 1.44/1.3 = 1.1076, 2-H weapon is 10.77% stronger than 1-H sword.

+1 attack speed from anything, [(780 * (10 + 2)/16)] = 585 = 600ms, 1-H weapon is faster than 2-H weapon by 10% with raging blow.
+2 attack speed from anything, [(780 * (10 + 1)/16)] = 536 = 540ms, 1-H weapon is faster than 2-H weapon by 11.11% with raging blow.
+3 attack speed from anything, [(780 * 10/16)] = 487 = 510ms, 1-H weapon is faster than 2-H weapon by 5.88% with raging blow.

.[/quote]

This brings a new light to the 1h vs 2h debate.

Reply September 15, 2015
cb000

I'm not really an expert on Hero calculations, by the way. I just upgrade and try to do my best at bosses.

I have no idea why that +0.1 is there to Hero multipliers, nor have I noticed it until you pointed it out, but I think it makes up for the horrible critical damage formula.

Reply September 15, 2015
Rexaar

This is new to me.
Let see, 1-H weapon is 8.33% stronger, 2-H weapon is 7.46% stronger because of this.
Before, 1.32/1.2 = 1.1, 2-H weapon is 10% stronger than 1-H weapon.
After, 1.42/1.3 = 1.1076, 2-H weapon is 9.23% stronger than 1-H sword.

Skill delay formula [(skill delay * (10 + attack speed)/16)]round up to highest multiple of 30
With booster, 2-H weapon users has attack speed of 4, 1-H weapon users has attack speed of 3.
Raging Blow cast speed is 840ms,
2-H weapon [(840 * (10 + 4)/16)] = 735 = 750ms
1-H weapon [(840 * (10 + 3)/16)] = 682 = 690ms
1-H weapon is faster than 2-H weapon by 8.70% with raging blow

Enrage Raging Blow cast speed is 780ms
2-H weapon [(780 * (10 + 4)/16)] = 682 = 690ms
1-H weapon [(780 * (10 + 3)/16)] = 633 = 660ms
1-H weapon is faster than 2-H weapon by 4.54% with raging blow

+1 attack speed from anything, [(780 * (10 + 2)/16)] = 585 = 600ms, 1-H weapon is faster than 2-H weapon by 10% with raging blow.
+2 attack speed from anything, [(780 * (10 + 1)/16)] = 536 = 540ms, 1-H weapon is faster than 2-H weapon by 11.11% with raging blow.
+3 attack speed from anything, [(780 * 10/16)] = 487 = 510ms, 1-H weapon is faster than 2-H weapon by 5.88% with raging blow.

Assuming everything alright.
Conclusion, with +1 attack speed from anything, 1-H weapon almost as strong as 2-H weapon.
With +2 attack speed from anything, 1-H weapon extremely slightly stronger than 2-H weapon.
Everything else, 2-H weapon is superior.
(Advanced Final Attack calculation not included)
(Shield stats advantage not included)

Why the hell did I spend an hour doing this.

Reply September 15, 2015 - edited
Jack

@chopsuey: oh, i see. I watch his videos

Reply September 14, 2015 - edited
ChopSuey

[quote=rate]scholtex = unmoored?[/quote]
Nope. Unmoored is a friend who also helped to confirm this.

Reply September 14, 2015 - edited
Jack

scholtex = unmoored?

Reply September 14, 2015 - edited
CherryTigers

http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2894669/0/Dark_Knights_Can_Never_be_a_Hero.html

Reply September 13, 2015 - edited