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I rewatched just for the part where you trolled EternalCraze by healing him

[quote=ReplyTranie]
Yeah, bind made it kinda easy. Are you going back to marksman now?
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All my gear is still on a Mercedes but I will be moving back to my Marksman once the damage cap is raised.

@Mylust
EMS is much more expensive to get funded in.

With % boss and % PDR VERY since it only works on weaps and secondaries, we ain't got Nebs like GMS so we can do full power dmg to bosses like empress and magnus.

@Spir
Do you guys not have potion pots in eMS?[/quote]

If you mean Potion pot as in Alchemist potions, yes. i'm having one active in the video that gives +30 att. didn't bother to use more than one since we failed so many times, we only did a few runs fully buffed (apple) where we got him to ~20-30% hp left.

It seems the last server check changed Magnus a little, a bit easier to survive now (he still does 60-70% dmg on his hits, but overall it's changed a tiny bit). Got him to ~40% solo in 19 minutes, lack a bit of damage to get the last bit

The speed and aoe of Genesis looks the same to me. They need to make the animation of that ring a little more bigger to actually fit the whole aoe. =(
His spin attack and rush does 40%ish in GMS. The rest is instant kill.
EMS has that -1% HP every 3 secs and additional -10% when outside of the blue zone that KMS has.
Not sure what happened at 3:33 as he just floats around doing nothing for 20 secs. I guess you guys got really lucky there.

GMS doesn't have that but he does super knockback on all his attacks. It's probably nothing right? Just take the hit, Pot, and continue smashing Magnus with your DPS right?
No. Super Knockback means even the spin attack that you're willing to take in EMS is actually a high risk in GMS because you can get knocked into the Meteors. Even multiples of them. It simply means you can't stand on top of him and just unload all your DPS on him. Obviously with the right positioning you can avoid the spin attack but once the zone gets really small, you'll have to move out of the way or you'll most likely take a Meteor to the face since at that point Meteors are increased.

But that's just the spin attack. The more dangerous attack he likes to do is his rush. Same thing as above but it's pretty much unavoidable except with maybe Luminous, Phantom, Kanna(these three have a longer range on teleport), and Evan(Blink: Random and HIGH risk. Don't use it unless you're in between a rock and a hard place).
The scenario I was met with the most was he'd rush me and knock me into a Meteor in the process in which I'd be killed or left with ~10% if I'm lucky. Mages have an easier time with this since they can control the distance they get knocked back using Teleport. Walking towards him when you get hit will lower the distance. I think? I usually just teleport unless he used the web debuff in which case I'm praying that there are no meteors in the way. Don't jump you'll be sent flying even further.

So in short: Every attack that Magnus does is dangerous in GMS whereas in EMS you have 2 attacks that you'd be okay with taking. I mean it's not okay to take a hit but you can heal up and continue with your DPS.

Oh and I can't beat him. Just throwing the towel. Best I could do was -40%.

Do we have to keep spamming this so you stop ignoring?

[quote=ShadeShady]Well ofcourse they are %HP based, I never said anything about that. But HIS attacks are based of m.def- my Luminous that has cap m.def takes less damage than a Kaiser with like 2k m.def. So it doesn't matter if you increase your HP, m.def is the way to go. [/quote]

What she said is 100% correct^^ Magnus' attack power is based on your MAGIC DEFENSE. Of course the OHKO attacks still OHKO, but the rushing moves won't 2HKO you if you have enough m.def (that's around 6k+ m.def). Also, his green attack is EXACTLY the same in GMS, you just need practice to avoid it. Don't go with a massive group, it's utterly useless and you're stuck with your partner's incompetence. I admit some classes are better than others to avoid his attacks, mages probably being the bests because of teleport. But phantoms CAN teleport right? I'm not trying to flame or insult you, I want you to understand this isn't that great of an achievement for such a big party with bind. The only reason you succeeded is because you had high enough dps to kill him within a few binds. There isn't skill or talent you've shown us, it's just the plain old tactic most end game players show all the time on other bosses. Sit down and press 1 key down. This isn't how you should consider Magnus, or Chaos root bosses. Yes you need attack power, but the most important is control. Magnus is the hardest challenge we currently have. It requires constant concentration, when I'm Magnus the world around me doesn't exist, I'm extremely focused, I start sweating, all of this while staying extremely calm minded. It's a really good mental and physical activity. But what you did was just... dumbing it down to a stationary target and get enough members to kill it in 2minutes. I don't wanna be mean to you but yes, this does enrage me that you claim to have conquered Magnus while you really haven't done much. You said it yourself, you got lucky to kill it. Maybe you have the potential to really master Magnus, but you need more practice.

For exemple, to avoid those green spears, I always use my rush skill. If your 3rd job rush skill is fast enough you could use that also (I don't know much about that skill, I never got a phantom past lvl70). Walking in the opposite direction of a rush attack will keep you stationnary once it hits you, rushing in a spin attack will only stun you, not knock back you, gas only spawn on the sides of the map, etc. Those are all tricks you need to learn and understand how to use before killing Magnus. Timing them is crucial. You know the studies that say video games can decrease an individual's response time? Magnus is probably one of the best exemple you could get

@Spir: Why are you comparing EMS to KMS and not GMS though? I've died way too many times from genesis when I was way outside of the target area. You're right, it does look quite a bit easier in KMS, but I think GMS and EMS are about the same. 50% vs. 60% means you have to pot in between either way. The solution is to get a potion pot and then there isn't a difference. Edit: Here's a video of someone dying a lot at magnus in GMS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTKt4DBAj1I Around 3:30 you can even see where he would be out of range of gene in KMS but he gets killed anyway.

[quote=Narwhol]Just a quick correction, in GMS he hits 50% or 100% of your HP with any attack. So 60% vs 50% really won't make a huge difference. Still very nice job, I've never beaten magnus.[/quote]

It makes WAY more of a difference than you think!
If you can recover just ONE HP in between you getting hit it would make you survive. and some classes (mercedes, buccaner, Demon Slayer and more got HP drain to some extend... including your item potentials with 3% chance to recover 53 hp blabla). And it's only 40% hits in KMS/GMS and not 50% (from magnus, the balls is 50% and 100%)

So make myself clear here, take a look at this video here from KMS.
I've made notes to it where he would accualy die if he were in EMS beside the times he dies by himself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuEH39XHmjI

0:50 would die from genesis
1:00 would die from genesis
1:36 would die from his rush attack (50% hp left.... 60-70% hit would kill him)
1:46 might die from genesis here as well, in EMS the range the genesis have seems it would kill him
2:11 would die from his rush attack (55% hp left.... 60-70% hit would kill him)
2:17 he would die from his sword spin attack, he gets hit 2 times in a row without potting (60-70% hits would make him die in EMS)
2:23 he would die from his sword spin attack, he gets hit 2 times in a row without potting (60-70% hits would make him die in EMS)
2:47 he would die from his sword spin attack, he gets hit 2 times in a row without potting (60-70% hits would make him die in EMS)
3:09 would die from genesis
4:16 would die from the green ball (60-70% from magnus att + 50% from ball)
4:36 he would die from his sword spin attack, he gets hit 2 times in a row without potting (60-70% hits would make him die in EMS)
5:08 he would die from his sword spin attack, he gets hit 2 times in a row without potting (60-70% hits would make him die in EMS)... he dies from the blue ball after his 2nd hit thou (3rd hit)
5:36 he would die from his rush attack (hes below 60% HP at this point)
5:45 would die from genesis, no question about it!
5:48 would die from genesis, no question about it!
6:11 he would die from his sword spin attack, he gets hit 2 times in a row without potting (60-70% hits would make him die in EMS)
6:32 would die from genesis, no question about it!
6:43 would die from genesis, no question about it!

thats 18 more deaths if he were in EMS.
8 deaths by himself.
thats 26 deaths, far more than he is allowed to before the run fails.

Notes:
3:09 is clear demonstration of how EMS genesis hits EVERY time. die outside of its area! (He even complains in the vid about it)
Genesus hits ~30% further than the green area itself, so if you pause at 1:36. if he where standing in the middle of the 2 left and right genesis he would die from both the left and right one in EMS (yes th ere is a middle one as well, but just comparing).

[quote=Spir]Shame you weren't in this run when we finaly did it.
Our Skype call was pure epic i can tell !

You can say that yes, takes really much funding to get to this point. And we don't have Nebs in EMS to help us get %Ignore/%Boss, so hitting caps on Magnus/Empress/PB is close to impossible funding. I don't think any Phantom in EMS hits 100% Cap on any of these bosses

Yes it's easier to solo, but you have absolutely no idea how hard Magnus is in this state!
It's not the same thing as there currently is in GMS.
- the GMS one only hits 40% of your HP when using his rush attack + swinging sword spin attacks... this one does 60% (that really matters ALOT since you need to heal EACH time you're hit basicly).
- The green Genesis attack hits close to instantly in EMS where as KMS/GMS there is a delay of 0.5 to 1 second from when you see it (see it, you die... i've survived only about 10% of all these attacks cause of pure luck or a slight lag)
- He uses Zombiefy constantly which doesn't allow a healer to keep you alive, as well as halving your potion recovery!

I've tryed this in GMS, tested out Magnus in Tempest.
KMS, quit a phantom there with 165k range same month Magnus came out, but could solo it if i had more damage (got it to ~15% hp without problems, lack of time only)
EMS, up till the point
and watched countless of videos on youtube and noted down patch progress in which they were killing Magnus (most is pre-revamped magnus), only a few are post-revamped magnus where he super knockbacks you.

The video here is only ONE out of about 120 times we've been there as a team, and about another 80 times solo runs by myself to learn about it (guildies also did some solo run tries for same reason). The video here LOOKS like it's easy, but that comes from us being purely luck on his skill useage and the way he acts.
If you watch closely, you can see my HP go down by 60% on his rush/swing attacks (i pot very quickly most of the times thou, so hard to see)
EDIT: at 3:55 you can see it: 15852 hp down to 4904 hp out of 16341... thats 70% from one hit if im not mistaken

What i'm trying to say is: If anyone feel like it is so easy to beat, go try it and you will see what i mean ![/quote]

Just a quick correction, in GMS he hits 50% or 100% of your HP with any attack. So 60% vs 50% really won't make a huge difference. Still very nice job, I've never beaten magnus.

Well ofcourse they are %HP based, I never said anything about that. But HIS attacks are based of m.def- my Luminous that has cap m.def takes less damage than a Kaiser with like 2k m.def. So it doesn't matter if you increase your HP, m.def is the way to go.

I find it a bit interesting how he at moments just walk around in the same spot without attacking, that never really happens to me. Oh and the middle Genesis attack doesnt deal any damage- atleast not in gMS. I used to die from that all the time but I learned that if you stand on top of Magnus when he casts it, you can avoid the attack. Or well if he casts it to the right of him, and you stand on top of him- slightly to the left. Then you can avoid it. And yes, the blue area is a bit delayed when it comes to healing, and damage! There are plenty of times when I have to be in the area for atleast a second before being able to deal my real damage.

But this all depends on the class aswell, I guess. Luminous is great at Magnus since they can heal, bind, have great mobility and resist status effects pretty well.
The superknockback is utterly annoying when playing a character with any kind of flash jump, I would love to be able to solo on my Mercedes but I lack the damage and well, it's alot harder with the knockback.

[quote=nopaycheck]What's the stats on the Supreme world medals btw?[/quote]

50 attack (level 100+ on supreme)

[quote=Mylust]lmfao this is easy mode magnus isn't it?
It's doable in gms too by a couple cap hitters.
I thought it was hard mode not impressed[/quote]

Yes its doable in GLOBAL MS. Come to EMS and do the same and you will see what i mean

And potion pot or not, it doesn't matter at ALL. his attacks it purely % HP based... i've tried with HB+ BadLuck ward in my first 50 solo runs (about 7k more hp from these 2 skills) and i get hit much higher (still 60-70% of my total HP). using HB and other HB based skills is useless inhere and waste of time casting the skills.

And no, the Genesis attack is 0.2 to 0.5 second delay at max. when you see me die when i flash jumped to the right (also wrong side) i died from the middle genesis attack really, it was just the internet delay which allowed me to get this far before it showed my death... the genesis is server sided attacks. I've died COUNTLESS of times far outside of genesis hit area which shows a clear indication of this. Also, the blue area is also server sided... so if you FJ into the blue area and use a potion 0.1-0.2 seconds after you enter his area... you will only heal about 10% of your total HP (5% cause of zombiefy) cause you're not inside the blue area yet on the server side yet cause of the internet delay you have.
Althou, the meteors seems to be client sided.

I did KMS version right when he came out and killed 85% (15% left) but ran out of time cause 165k range wasn't enough to kill him solo (hitting around 190-220k each mille@KMS, not much %PDR and %boss on my char there). in EMS i got 221k(?) and much more %PDR+Boss hitting ~400-500k@EMS, and yet i didn't make it so far... ran out of death counts after ~10-15 minutes in every 80 of my solo runs. Clear indication of the differences in difficulty.
But i have in plan to try yet more solo runs and see how far i can get.

I like the video, good work. But I wouldn't go with a party to Magnus. I prefer to solo, since more people means less attempts and more stealing lives. I don't know where you got the numbers from, that Magnus hits 40% of your HP per attack in gMS. It all depends on your m.def! Magnus hits around 30% of my HP, but hits like 70% on a friend of mine who is a warrior.

The green attack is just as it is in your video in gMS. Not like in kMS, because they have quite the delay from when he uses it til it strikes. It's best to bind him in the very center, or slightly to the right, of the map to avoid the poison clouds. He uses Zombiefy alot aswell, yes. Besides, if you tested Magnus in gMS during Tempest, he is harder now with the knockback update.

I've killed him plenty of times now, and I went on about 50+ attempts before I actually killed him. Might have been much more. After I had killed him a couple of times, I purchased a potion pot, which makes it so much easier. But it IS possible to kill him without one. http://youtu.be/UBi42ZmUPao

The point is, it takes ALOT of practise. Not trying to bash on you in any way, just explaining that this looks pretty much the same as the gMS version. And to those who says it's easy, well - feel free to try it. But it's so much about practise, luck and a bit of skill!

I'd be more inclined to care if this game actually required skill, and for something that's supposed to be nearly impossible to kill, its drops are rather pathetic.

lmfao this is easy mode magnus isn't it?
It's doable in gms too by a couple cap hitters.
I thought it was hard mode not impressed

No super KB with his spin attack?
You can solo as a phantom with that damage.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qqmo2RT54lM]Guide[/url]

So yeah, kind of easy to beat with no super KB.

and lol, having a bind and saying Magnus is hard. hahahahahah

I wan to see the "Hacked" version now. o.o

is there really a guy called Aeon in MS? woooow so cool i want that IGN

What's the stats on the Supreme world medals btw?

[quote=V2roler]Very nice, Aeon FTW <3[/quote]

Shame you weren't in this run when we finaly did it.
Our Skype call was pure epic i can tell !

[quote=RailWays]such nice damage for your phantom, you must have really funded that thing [/quote]

You can say that yes, takes really much funding to get to this point. And we don't have Nebs in EMS to help us get %Ignore/%Boss, so hitting caps on Magnus/Empress/PB is close to impossible funding. I don't think any Phantom in EMS hits 100% Cap on any of these bosses

[quote=Mirabosh]It's just about a thousand time easier to solo it... Nice job but I don't understand why it took so many people to kill it... It's the same thing as GMS right?[/quote]

Yes it's easier to solo, but you have absolutely no idea how hard Magnus is in this state!
It's not the same thing as there currently is in GMS.
- the GMS one only hits 40% of your HP when using his rush attack + swinging sword spin attacks... this one does 60% (that really matters ALOT since you need to heal EACH time you're hit basicly).
- The green Genesis attack hits close to instantly in EMS where as KMS/GMS there is a delay of 0.5 to 1 second from when you see it (see it, you die... i've survived only about 10% of all these attacks cause of pure luck or a slight lag)
- He uses Zombiefy constantly which doesn't allow a healer to keep you alive, as well as halving your potion recovery!

I've tryed this in GMS, tested out Magnus in Tempest.
KMS, quit a phantom there with 165k range same month Magnus came out, but could solo it if i had more damage (got it to ~15% hp without problems, lack of time only)
EMS, up till the point
and watched countless of videos on youtube and noted down patch progress in which they were killing Magnus (most is pre-revamped magnus), only a few are post-revamped magnus where he super knockbacks you.

The video here is only ONE out of about 120 times we've been there as a team, and about another 80 times solo runs by myself to learn about it (guildies also did some solo run tries for same reason). The video here LOOKS like it's easy, but that comes from us being purely luck on his skill useage and the way he acts.
If you watch closely, you can see my HP go down by 60% on his rush/swing attacks (i pot very quickly most of the times thou, so hard to see)
EDIT: at 3:55 you can see it: 15852 hp down to 4904 hp out of 16341... thats 70% from one hit if im not mistaken

What i'm trying to say is: If anyone feel like it is so easy to beat, go try it and you will see what i mean !

Dem pets <3

It's just about a thousand time easier to solo it... Nice job but I don't understand why it took so many people to kill it... It's the same thing as GMS right?

What the hell, I want Umbreon pets in GMS...

Nice job Aeon is the only guild i know in EMS

Very nice, Aeon FTW <3