Phantoms around winter
Since arrow platter is being moved to 3rd job around winter, would it be better to use
arrow platter + arrow platter turret + frozen orb (assuming it's fixed by then) or
arrow platter + arrow platter turret + cross surge?
basically, frozen orb v cross surge.
If you hit cap, i think the first one would be better, so I'm wondering which would do more damage.
Keep in mind cross surge is getting changed to 80% for dk (not sure how much it is for phantom),
and arrow platter got changed to 120ms delay (8.33/s), 181% damage, and 125% turret damage.
Also, would it be better to replace arrow platter (not turret) with mille since mille is 11/s?
July 21, 2014
15 Comments • Newest first
@kelvin8604: yeah, remember that surge doesn't apply to orb, only to the cards that fly out, which account for a little over half of your dps. We'll see what's actually best when this patch comes, if they don't fix orb before then
@UAPaladin: pretty sure 2 boasters +orb is always inferior to surge + orb. Surge adds 80% dmg after patch and u can milles. Don't forget the milles!
frozen orb is glitched right now and outputs a lot of damage.
since im not a member of 1 month, refer to itay's "FO-HG - Road to a perfect run" videos to see how op it is.
What's wrong with orbs? I've been using Arrow Blaster turret so I don't know what's wrong with orbs, but is there a better option?
@wingless666: yeah, surge + orb + milles might actually be better. I use penombre for the PDR (though I forget about it sometimes still); it helps a lot
[quote=UAPaladin]@kelvin8604: Yeah, but you're still having 2 different things hitting at 120ms. That's still better than any other 3rd job attacking skill I think, though when it comes I'll need to do some testing to check that 2 blasters + orb is better than cross surge + orb.
@joe7890: You can put either blaster or cross surge in the 4th job slot. You can put lower job skills in a higher job slot.
@wingless666: If frozen orb isn't fixed by then, then frozen orb will still be a lot better than RF, and then yeah, it'd be best to use cross surge + RF[/quote]
What about surge+orb+mille
Btw do you use peno when bossing, just wondering.
@kelvin8604: Yeah, but you're still having 2 different things hitting at 120ms. That's still better than any other 3rd job attacking skill I think, though when it comes I'll need to do some testing to check that 2 blasters + orb is better than cross surge + orb.
@joe7890: You can put either blaster or cross surge in the 4th job slot. You can put lower job skills in a higher job slot.
@wingless666: If frozen orb isn't fixed by then, then frozen orb will still be a lot better than RF, and then yeah, it'd be best to use cross surge + RF
[quote=joe7890]Since platter is getting moved to 3rd job, how would one use platter and cross over surge without switching and waiting for a cooldown?[/quote]
By using one in 3rd impec and the other in 4th impec
@Specter
Both the mounted/skill hit a bit stronger but like mentioned the speed is nothing special anymore, if you are looking
for overall dps, the mobility is more important then the 5%~7% extra damage from rf. I still feel blaster isnt worth it
unless you want to use the summon for other things like kiting or something.
Since platter is getting moved to 3rd job, how would one use platter and cross over surge without switching and waiting for a cooldown?
@UAPaladin: it changes to 120m/s it's not that fast anymore lol
@kelvin8604: the turret doesn't but the active skill still does and both hit very quickly still
[quote=UAPaladin]If frozen orb isn't be fixed by then, then cross surge + frozen orb would be better than 2 blasters and cross surge (yes, I know that cross surge doesn't affect frozen orb, but it does affect the cards that fly out which account for over half of your dps assuming 100% crit due to carte noir and judgement draw).
I think 2 blasters and frozen orb would probably be the best though because the amount of cards flying out would be absolutely insane[/quote]
nope. the turret doesnt shoot out cards.
you might as well use milles and surge because of the extra pdr and 20% hyper dmg
If frozen orb isn't be fixed by then, then cross surge + frozen orb would be better than 2 blasters and cross surge (yes, I know that cross surge doesn't affect frozen orb, but it does affect the cards that fly out which account for over half of your dps assuming 100% crit due to carte noir and judgement draw).
I think 2 blasters and frozen orb would probably be the best though because the amount of cards flying out would be absolutely insane
Assuming it is the same, you wouldn't be using blaster in the first place. It is now 120 ms which is the same as hurricane/rf but
slightly lower damage if you include mobility. Better to go cross surge + orbs or just cross surge and rf. As much as I like blaster,
in most high leveled bosses it gets to be more of a hindrance to be honest. I also wouldn't get to fond of frozen orb...
If you hit cap obviously yeah the first would be better, but if you don't hit cap, it depends on what you're doing. Frozen Orb + Cross Surge + Mille is better for, say, Chaos Zakum, because his damage reduction only affects either Magic OR Weapon attack, not both. Frozen Orb also isn't going to kill you when the boss uses damage reflect. And I prefer to always use Mille + Frozen orb over Mille + Platter because Frozen orb hits so fast and Mille is faster than Platter(This is as of right now). However, with the changes that makes Platter 3rd Job, I would still go with Frozen Orb x Surge if you aren't hitting cap. PLUS, with hyper skills, Mille gets +2 targets that dont have to be on top of each other for them all to be hit like arrow platter, and it gets 20% PDR and 20% Damage. Which makes it more worth than Arrow Platter as a whole
Source: 195 Khaini Phantom