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[quote=ProHealer]@SheepPB:

So basically, you came into this thread, stated bowmasters dumpster any other class in terms of dps.

I called you out on that, gave you several personal experiences on bowmaster not being "better than any class in terms of dps" (meanwhile you only preach about hits/s and say you aren't basing your accusations off charts while providing zero personal experiences), you changed your answer to say they dumpster any class in hits/s, then said at a certain level of funding dps = hps.

The topic of this thread is clearly not asking about insane levels of funding, like the scenario you just pointed out, but I went along with it anyways.

I then agreed with you that was usually the case (while giving example classes), and then I said that it's basically impossible in GMS to cap on 100% of bowmaster's hits on every boss in the game, which means dps =/= hps, for bowmasters specifically.

You then didn't comprehend my responses, and started spewing nonsense.

Okay. Anyways, I'm done. Enjoy having no idea what you're talking about while spewing nonsense on the forums with poor arguments to support your false claims.[/quote]

You're as dense as they come.
You stated I changed my answer but if you read anything I wrote I am not changing what I wrote. Hits per second is really what dps boils down to at the end of the day, hence why I said dps rather than hps. If I wanted to consider %'s into each skill then of course dps would differ than hps. You mentioning irrelevant comments towards what I had said is clearly something you can't seem to comprehend as irrelevant. You stating personal experiences doesn't change the fact that what I stated, which was hits per second, is still valid. So no, I didn't [b]change[/b] my answer.

Even if it isn't capping, the amount of hits per second would still out weigh in most cases. You enjoy yourself as well instead of having your arrogance blind you from what is actually being written.

@SheepPB:

So basically, you came into this thread, stated bowmasters dumpster any other class in terms of dps.

I called you out on that, gave you several personal experiences on bowmaster not being "better than any class in terms of dps" (meanwhile you only preach about hits/s and say you aren't basing your accusations off charts while providing zero personal experiences), you changed your answer to say they dumpster any class in hits/s, then said at a certain level of funding dps = hps.

The topic of this thread is clearly not asking about insane levels of funding, like the scenario you just pointed out, but I went along with it anyways.

I then agreed with you that was usually the case (while giving example classes), and then I said that it's basically impossible in GMS to cap on 100% of bowmaster's hits on every boss in the game, which means dps =/= hps, for bowmasters specifically.

You then didn't comprehend my responses, and started spewing nonsense.

Okay. Anyways, I'm done. Enjoy having no idea what you're talking about while spewing nonsense on the forums with poor arguments to support your false claims.

[quote=ProHealer]@SheepPB:

I read what you said. You said dps = hps. I explained why that wasn't true. Not every class caps as easily as a night lord.[/quote]

Under the circumstances I listed dsp does equal hps, but clearly you didn't read carefully enough otherwise you would have actually read and known that I said that if those circumstances weren't true then what you said would have been accurate. Secondly, I like how biased your answers are considering how you keep mentioning factors of what class we main when that had nothing to do with what I said, alongside with your irrelevant comment assuming I base things off sheer charts. So before you keep making yourself look like an rude ignoramus who has his own head up his own butt so far up that he can't step down to casually read without putting irrelevant factors in then I'd stop because that's all that you're doing.

@SheepPB:

I read what you said. You said dps = hps. I explained why that wasn't true. Not every class caps as easily as a night lord.

[quote=ProHealer]@SheepPB:

Hits per second, yeah, that's right. But you said dps. Not hps. The thread was not asking about hits/s. Hence my reply. Bowmaster is nowhere close to being at the top in terms of "DPS".

The level of funding to cap 100% of the time as a bowmaster on every hit on ele resist bosses is not realistically achievable. No bowmaster on GMS can cap 100% of the time on every boss, which is (in comparison) VERY easily done with many other classes e.g. WH, BW, NW. I would disagree for this particular case that DPS refers to HPS.[/quote]

Well if you read from my previous comments then you would see me explaining why I said dps rather than hps, hence why I explained how you would be correct on a technicality but I would be based off what I said. So please learn to step down your ego and actually read what I wrote and try to comprehend why I said what I wrote.

@SheepPB:

Hits per second, yeah, that's right. But you said dps. Not hps. The thread was not asking about hits/s. Hence my reply. Bowmaster is nowhere close to being at the top in terms of "DPS".

The level of funding to cap 100% of the time as a bowmaster on every hit on ele resist bosses is not realistically achievable. No bowmaster on GMS can cap 100% of the time on every boss, which is (in comparison) VERY easily done with many other classes e.g. WH, BW, NW. I would disagree for this particular case that DPS refers to HPS.

[quote=ProHealer]@SheepPB:

Sure, they "technically" have the most hits per second (even though in actuality a capping WH beats out a capping BM if you look around at videos), but look at their skill percentages. 125% for blaster.. 180 for hurricane. Good luck capping with those skills on ele resist bosses.

My bowmaster with 24k clean dex has a lower DPS on these bosses than my blaze wizard with 15k clean int and significantly less att%/boss. I have yet to see anyone actually cap with blaster on ele resist.

After moving from my wind archer and upgrading a lot of equips (i had 17k dex on my wind archer), my significantly better geared bowmaster does approximately the same dps on ele resist bosses.

And for reference, wind archer is already a very average class in terms of dps.

So no, bowmaster does not by any means "trash any other class" in dps. I know you are basing your assumptions off charts and calculations, but I'm basing mine off reality and having funded multiple classes including bowmaster.[/quote]

After a certain point of funding, it is safe to assume dps will refer to hps (hits per second). Yeah, WH is still better than BM. Never did I claim it wasn't, in fact I've said that same exact thing in other threads once before.

I'm not basing it off charts and calculations, if I were to then I wouldn't say what I did, but nice assumption. Like you agreed, in terms of hits per second you can't deny that BM does trash majority of classes when it comes to that.

Regardless of what has been said, in terms of hits per second we can at least agree that it's 1. WH, 2. BM, 3. ___ 4. ____.

@SheepPB:

Sure, they "technically" have the most hits per second (even though in actuality a capping WH beats out a capping BM if you look around at videos), but look at their skill percentages. 125% for blaster.. 180 for hurricane. Good luck capping with those skills on ele resist bosses.

My bowmaster with 24k clean dex has a lower DPS on these bosses than my blaze wizard with 15k clean int and significantly less att%/boss. I have yet to see anyone actually cap with blaster on ele resist.

After moving from my wind archer and upgrading a lot of equips (i had 17k dex on my wind archer), my significantly better geared bowmaster does approximately the same dps on ele resist bosses.

And for reference, wind archer is already a very average class in terms of dps.

So no, bowmaster does not by any means "trash any other class" in dps. I know you are basing your assumptions off charts and calculations, but I'm basing mine off reality and having funded multiple classes including bowmaster.

[quote=ProHealer]Idk where you got your info from, but bowmaster does not "trash any other class" in DPS..lol..Wild hunter yes.[/quote]

Currently? Yes they do lmao. Have you counted the hits per second?
After nerf? Not so much due to Arrow Blaster gaining a cooldown.

i made one yesterday and i actually really enjoy it. its one of my top 3 favorite classes ive played tbh.. ive always steered away from it because of the bad reputation it has but im glad i finally gave in

It's the worst DPS class.

Jetts dmg isn't comparable with other hurricane classes. We are far behind with our 270% salvo (rapid fire) and our 2% chance of final attack (10 lines of 355%~ dmg). Theorically, we got 10 lines/second included the final attack while corsair has at least 16,66 lines/second with their rapid fire/final attack.

The reason I main a Jett is because they are fun to play and it's still possible to do most of bosses like other classes. Jetts aren't squishy at all and we have the best mobility in the game.

Jetts in JMS can jump while using backup beatdown and there are few glitches currently with our skills in GMS (skill that make you DC, damage balancing, missing master levels on few skills at 4th job, sp left over, etc.).

If you have any question about this class, you can send me a PM or just answer to this thread.

I replayed my jett when their revamp came around and found them to be super fun. I main one ^_^
The playstyle is definitely different than sairs/bms/wh. And the skills are visually stunning.

They're hella fun, definitely make one.

@Amorous: True, in the very beginning they were good. Then they got riddled with glitches that Nexon didn't know how to fix and kind of fell off the face of the earth.

[quote=SheepPB]They're not fantastic, but they're not remotely close to being as bad as everyone hates on them for.
WH and BM right now will trash any other class in terms of DPS so they're a bit unfair to compare to.
It's good to compare them to Corsairs though.
Why?
Jetts [b]used[/b] to be a reskin of Corsairs, but then they got their special own revamp.
Ever since their revamp you could compare the two.
Pros and cons on both ends.
Corsairs have a slight advantage (iirc at least) when it comes to 1v1 bossing. Aside from using Rapid Fire and having a summon, since Jetts have those two aspects as well, Corsairs have [url=http://www.basilmarket.com/MapleStory-Corsair_Majestic-Presence_Skill-1014.html]Majestic Presence[/url] which helps quite a lot.
Now, before you may think I am favoring Corsair just because I have a Level 200 one instead of a Jett, what Jetts have is a variety of mobbing skills and mobility skills. (i.e. dashing forward/diagonally) Another aspect to consider is that Jetts don't require bullets whereas Corsairs do. Good bullets are not easy to come by in most cases/worlds, and even when you find one it is rare to find them in bulk. Corsairs eat up bullets extremely fast from my personal experience, so that was something I was not a fan of.
Personally? I'd pick Jett over Corsair.
For you? You do you booboo. Play what you enjoy, but it doesn't hurt to consider what may have bothered others when playing a certain class. [/quote]

Idk where you got your info from, but bowmaster does not "trash any other class" in DPS..lol..Wild hunter yes.

They're not fantastic, but they're not remotely close to being as bad as everyone hates on them for.
WH and BM right now will trash any other class in terms of DPS so they're a bit unfair to compare to.
It's good to compare them to Corsairs though.
Why?
Jetts [b]used[/b] to be a reskin of Corsairs, but then they got their special own revamp.
Ever since their revamp you could compare the two.
Pros and cons on both ends.
Corsairs have a slight advantage (iirc at least) when it comes to 1v1 bossing. Aside from using Rapid Fire and having a summon, since Jetts have those two aspects as well, Corsairs have [url=http://www.basilmarket.com/MapleStory-Corsair_Majestic-Presence_Skill-1014.html]Majestic Presence[/url] which helps quite a lot.
Now, before you may think I am favoring Corsair just because I have a Level 200 one instead of a Jett, what Jetts have is a variety of mobbing skills and mobility skills. (i.e. dashing forward/diagonally) Another aspect to consider is that Jetts don't require bullets whereas Corsairs do. Good bullets are not easy to come by in most cases/worlds, and even when you find one it is rare to find them in bulk. Corsairs eat up bullets extremely fast from my personal experience, so that was something I was not a fan of.
Personally? I'd pick Jett over Corsair.
For you? You do you booboo. Play what you enjoy, but it doesn't hurt to consider what may have bothered others when playing a certain class.

It's nowhere remotely near as good as WH, and it's a little weaker than BM/corsair.

[quote=Ecarina]Jetts have never been a good class. Originally they were just a ripoff of sairs and buccs but Nexon revamped them and, admittedly, did make them unique. They just didn't make them good.[/quote]

Uh youre kidding right?
Jetts before the revamp to oblivion were ranked 5~ in top dps... 59mil rapid fire. (this was way before most revamps shifted the dps charts)

Play what you like(tm).

Don't base it on other people's decisions, if you enjoy it go for it. If you the numbers on paper bother you, then look otherwise I guess...

Jetts have never been a good class. Originally they were just a ripoff of sairs and buccs but Nexon revamped them and, admittedly, did make them unique. They just didn't make them good.
Now granted, I don't main one. I leveled mine to 200 but there's a difference between getting to 200 and actually figuring out the intricacies of the class. Still, what I've noticed is that their skills simply don't work with each other. They're meant to be a ranged class sort of due to Starforce Salvo (their version of Rapid Fire) and their underwhelming survivability but all of their mobbing moves are close-range. They're meant to be a fast moving class but their 4th job mobbing move, Backup Beatdown, is basically the Xenon spinning skill except:
1. It doesn't let you jump
2. It sets your speed to 100% while you're using it
3. It takes nearly a full second to stop the animation and allow you to use other skills
4. It doesn't hit behind you and the range at which it hits in front of you is absurdly short.
Their only other mobbing move of note is Planet Buster, which hits 3 times (4 with its hyper) and has a cooldown. The skill doesn't mention it anywhere but I've counted around 7 seconds, which is too much for it to be a main mobbing skill. I think there should really be a Cooldown Cutter hyper for Planet Buster.
Also, they're clearly meant to be a ranged class while bossing, but their Hyper Skill, which only hits 1 monster and is clearly meant for bossing, is a short-ranged attack. So this means you either choose between spamming Starforce Salvo and staying at a range or getting up close and using Singularity Shock. Also, while Singularity Shock is strong, it takes forever to use. I counted a full 3 seconds before I was able to move again after using it.
They do have cool skills, especially the 3rd job skill Cosmic Upheaval, which has a huge range of attack and basically teleports monsters right in front of you. It only does 100% damage, but the sucking in monsters effect is really cool. The only issue is that it ONLY works if you're completely alone in the map. If any other person is in the map with you, the skill will glitch and only work occasionally.
Sorry for the wall of text.
Tl;dr - Jetts look very cool, they have really flashy skills and some of them can be very fun to use (Vortex Cross if you can control it), but their design contradicts itself. I suggest you try one out for yourself someday, it just feels like Nexon created them to be flashy and cool-looking but not actually effective at anything.

but seriously tho, Jetts have gotten pretty fun. Their skills are strong and flashy, but bear no resemblance to the Corsair reskin that they used to be. A really mobile (and kinda squishy) class with lots of power, Jett is no longer the butt of GMS jokes

I don't have a lvl100+ so can't speak about them at a higher level but I honestly have the best time questing on my Jett. I find them to level fast and, for me, I think it's because they have good mobility. If you grab a octopus and jr. boogie familiar you won't even need to use pots for a long time, or so I've found. On my world all jett equips are practically given away so finding them fairly cheap too. I don't find them that weak but I could be ignoring that because I am having fun just playing the class.

... but that's just me.

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