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Kaisers feel so weak

Is it just me?

After playing luminous for the past few weeks I think kaisers are terrible.

At level 101 with 9k range I can barely complete Azwan on hard modewhile on my lumi I was able to complete it in under a minute at 100.

And my damage feels so subpar compared to my lumi.

What was the hype about?

December 19, 2012

21 Comments • Newest first

SombraManx

@whitefire1: nope..... buccs do more DPM like it or not... have you seen their hypers?

Fist Enrage - Reinforce: Fist Enrage's damage is increased by 20%.
Fist Enrage - Boss Killer: Fist Enrage's damage to bosses is increased by 20%.
Fist Enrage - Bonus Attack: Fist Enrage's attack count is increased by 1.

Hyper Skill Buff: Stimulate: Your Energy bar is full and your damage is increased by 10% for 120 seconds. There is a cooldown of 360 seconds. [required level: 150]

Hyper Skill Attack: Unity of Power: Your Energy is condensed and unleashed on up to 8 enemies, dealing 800% damage 5 times. For 90 seconds, your maximum damage is increased by 30,000. This effect stacks up to 3 times. Can only be used when your Energy bar is full. There is a cooldown of 8 seconds. The maximum damage for this skill is 9,999,999. [required level: 170]

this alone is enough to be in TOP 3 DPM... after hero's (hero's are number 2, and maskmen in number one TOP DPM with unlimited snipe)

you can do the calculations by yourself if you want

EDIT 1:

numbers from insoya/leafre dot net DPM chart:

#3 --- Viper 1046687.23%
#11 - Kaiser 758536.45% Regain (?) + Giga Slash + Wing Beat + Advanced Will of Swords

Reply December 20, 2012 - edited
SombraManx

[quote=whitefire1]my kaiser has the same str% but my kaiser hits 150k per on giga and my bucc hits 500k per hit on octo[/quote]

bucc is top #3 on DPM charts (post hyperskills)

Kiaser is #13 i think..... see the difference?

Reply December 19, 2012 - edited
CherryTigers

9k range at level 100? you're unfunded. stop complaining.

Reply December 19, 2012 - edited
rubiksmaster123

its just that luminous was op beyond belief

Reply December 19, 2012 - edited
Kanji

@whitefire1: ... What's your point?

... I was comparing my Kaiser to MY Bucc... Not... Yours.

Reply December 19, 2012 - edited
Cedlow

[quote=jensanr12]24k range and hitting 30k non crits and 60k crits with Gigas (not during transformation), 30k 10 times is 300k and its like 3 or 4 hits per sec. Come again?

Btw (srry for offtopic) has any1 tried changing their hair on their Kaiser? I want to but im afraid ill look like the preview pic wich show no horns </3[/quote]

You lose the horns when you change hairs.

Reply December 19, 2012 - edited
triplexholic

Dude you have to understand that speed makes up for damage. I might not be right but a kaisers aps might be closer to a bams aps compared to other classes.

Reply December 19, 2012 - edited
SombraManx

@jjohnson10: unfunded....... 0 mesos, only lvl 70 sword, mesoranger set and a dragon badge....

wanna try me?

Reply December 19, 2012 - edited
CoDxD

Uhh im not too sure what drug you're on but Kaiser is not weak. While im transformed, im hitting 50k each line with a 15k range at lvl 100. Definately not weak.

Reply December 19, 2012 - edited
jjohnson10

[quote=SombraManx]mi kaiser does 20k per hit with trasnf.. unfunded.. at lvl 7X [/quote]

In the world where everyone else is living, where 'unfunded' means '0 mesoes invested', you would be stoned to death for lying.

Reply December 19, 2012 - edited
Kanji

I'm destroying Azwan Defend Hard with my Kaiser. You must be doing something wrong... o.o

But, I'm comparing him to my Buc, so I guess there isn't much competition

Reply December 19, 2012 - edited
jensanr12

24k range and hitting 30k non crits and 60k crits with Gigas (not during transformation), 30k 10 times is 300k and its like 3 or 4 hits per sec. Come again?

Btw (srry for offtopic) has any1 tried changing their hair on their Kaiser? I want to but im afraid ill look like the preview pic wich show no horns </3

Reply December 19, 2012 - edited
Blazetent

This thread makes me lol. Some people 130+ struggle at Awsan on hard mode. And they have a higher range then your.

People expect something amazing. With no funding and hardly anytime spent learning to play it..

Like i just hit 70k range and i often get told how lame we are in conparison to AB and Lumi. So stupid. -__-

Reply December 19, 2012 - edited
SirOrnstein

Btw, Kaiser's aren't supposed to hit super high damage o_o they just hit really really quickly. MY Kaisers sittingat about 94-106k range buffed and i hit barely 300ks with giga wave :C

Reply December 19, 2012 - edited
SombraManx

mi kaiser does 20k per hit with trasnf.. unfunded.. at lvl 7X

my lvl 12X lumi does 20k+ no crit and 40k crits

kaiser is also faster

Reply December 19, 2012 - edited
AllDayErryDay

Maybe you just don't have the range for it? They're very powerful. If you use Giga's Wave->Wingbeat->Giga's wave rinse repeat, you'll eventually have 3 tornado's out at once. That combined with your dragon summon and Giga's wave spam, you shouldn't feel weak at all. Especially in transformation.

Reply December 19, 2012 - edited
Jondalicious

You are doing it wrong, you have to abuse transformation mode. Use the combo skills to fill the gauge up fast and transform the moment you hit max. Trans mode Kaisers are OP and it lasts for 90 seconds, then you can get it again in around of 1-3mins of spamming Gigas wave.

Reply December 19, 2012 - edited
delightful1

Kaiser isnt made for you Shoo.

Reply December 19, 2012 - edited
SirOrnstein

Damage Wh0re

Reply December 19, 2012 - edited
muffinsx

You're doing it wrong.

Reply December 19, 2012 - edited
Wubzey

-kaiser feels weak-
Play a drk, nl or bm and say that again(no offense to these classes but they are renowned for their shortcomings in damage aspects, either in mobbing or 1v1)

Reply December 19, 2012 - edited