General

time to hurry and get 11 more lvls so iget hurricane -3-

Why is Arrow Rain blue when their skills are geared toward the fire element (Phoenix, Inferno), and vice versa for Marksmen?

[quote=chobbles]ughh....delay? That's annoying
Why? We already suck compared to a lot of other classes! If anything, we should get buffed! D<[/quote]
Rangers & BMs do get buffs now strufe hit 180% at master lv and hurricane does 220% at master lv pretty much half there skills get a 20% - 100% bosst the only one I know that gets a 100% bosst is dragon breath and arrow rain now does 350% or 400% DMG now.

Hope they add a speed increase?

Seems like the range got bit shorter? And there is definitely more delay. Animations are ok.. AR nerf is going to make me hate my ranger even more now.

I never use AE anymore so..

i like the song but yeah i dont i like it either

[quote=dadroid]Wow okay I have a new sniper build...I'm maxing everything except Arrow Rain after Chaos.[/quote]
You do realize that the only reason to get Arrow Rain/Eruption is because it hits 10 at max level? It's weaker, takes 10 more SP, and doesn't freeze or do DoT, but it hits 4 more. That's a big difference in training. Wind Piercing is trash because it hits only 3 currently. It will be as good as Soul Driver when it hits 6 after Chaos. Plus with Arrow Rain/Eruption, you can hit behind, above, and below you without having to move. 500% in 1.3 sec is only 25% weaker (500%-25%=475%) that the current 400% in 1 second.

I like it. The swing accomodates it, too. I'm probably just gunna be the few who like it.

[quote=WolfPak]I'm still thinking whether or not to do as I mentioned above, hence I said "I think I may end up."
Anyways, yeah. There's a lot of things they messed up for us lately; it was PKB's ability to be used in midair during Big Bang and now this...

Oh, and sorry to those who were thinking of making a BM/MM and changed their minds because of this. This patch doesn't come out until summer, so maybe you can enjoy it while it lasts? [/quote]

I think its now moved to may/easter cus of the shred already appearing

So all the bowmans skills have been reworked right? Where can i find what the old attack %'s were so I can compare them with the new skills? I havent played for 3 years so I am trying to put everything into perspective.

i thought bowmen were supposed to be a SPEEDY class, not a class with a long delay between skill uses..this woulda completely unmotivated me but i never use it anymore sooo..

Hm, I probably should've made a poll for "Like" or "Dislike", lool.

[quote=hcaz0992]bow whacking makes no sense...
the animation looks like spears and not arrows..
the dmg is nice but the speed is worse..
BM's are meant for speed
MM's are power
BM's should stay at 400% but shoot faster
MM's should go to 500% and get slower[/quote]

MM already hit higher than BM with even percentages. Giving an extra 100% will just break the balance we have.

The animation itself looks okay,but the bow whacking part? Nah that just sucks.
And it seems to me that Nexon used the same animation for AR and AE, except one is red and up-side down.

[quote=FrothyFrog]lol fail, its not lvl 5 of the CK skill.... its totally separate, if you look on spadows in the chaos update it explains the ulti adventurers skills separatly and its 750% / 6 monsters at lvl 5

if it was lvl 5/30 of the CK skill it would be the dumbest idea ever[/quote]

It's a totally separate skill with a max level of 5.

And those are the stats for the CHAOS UPDATE, which by the way are still wrong. The only change to UA/adventurer wind piercing is changing of targets hit from 3 to 6. The update that WE, GMS, ARE GETTING lists wind piercing as 600% damage to 3 targets at max level, which is useless.

In no way did i ever suggest that UAs receive the 5th level out of 30 for their respective skill. Please buy some reading comprehension. >_>

[quote=IceBarrage]lol I made a ranger weeks ago, so I should put my SP on inferno instead of AR?[/quote]

You end up maxing both, but I did Inferno before AR. I use them both interchangeably, so there's no argument (to me anyways) as to which is better; one's stronger, but the other has more versatility.

[quote=coolsmiley1]Shoot arrows to the ground kinda looks stupid in general. [/quote]

So whats your take on this? Even though you probably don't use AE anymore, I don't think I've seen any of your opinions though you've been posting around.

[quote=BarcayFas]Animation is ok, would like it more if it had more arrows and they were made shorter... it looks like spears right now...

For me what would actually be an improvement is if they made a new character animation in wich you extend your arm up and point with your bow directly to the sky (and the other way for xbows) [and ideally make the char look up or down too if it could be made decent, and not look awkward]
Have the animation bow show centered, exactly on your own equipped bow. Give it more range in both directions, increase damage and keep the current speed of 1.33 shots per second.
If you get my idea I think you can agree it would actually be cool.
To whack the bow in order to "shoot" arrows its absolute NONSENSE... I can't believe this stupid concept got into the game, It's... can't even find words to describe it....

My feelings as a lover of the explorer archers...[/quote]

Shoot arrows to the ground kinda looks stupid in general.

[quote=reconforce946]I like how the animation looks, but whacking it is...eh. Also it looks slower then the pre-chaos Arrow Rain.[/quote]

It is slower.

i can do more on my lvl106 wind archer...and i have terrible equips. i gave all my good ones to my bro.

I like how the animation looks, but whacking it is...eh. Also it looks slower then the pre-chaos Arrow Rain.

[quote=darrenalilim]I like the old animations better :[
These new skill animations for Heal, HB, Arrow Rain, etc. don't seem as "Maplestory style" to me as the old ones[/quote]

Neither does a jaguar.

[quote=coolsmiley1]The speed used to be 1.33 shots per second, now its 1 shot per second.[/quote]

Oh nooooooooooooo

[quote=WolfPak]I'm trying to see if I can find a video of someone just spamming AR/AE for comparison. There's a large difference for those of us who use the skill often; the fact that they made it this way ruins its practicality IMO. A 100% boost in its base power does not make up for its horrific delay. I'll probably end up using it as a lure move or something now x__X[/quote]

The speed used to be 1.33 shots per second, now its 1 shot per second.

I'm trying to see if I can find a video of someone just spamming AR/AE for comparison. There's a large difference for those of us who use the skill often; the fact that they made it this way ruins its practicality IMO. A 100% boost in its base power does not make up for its horrific delay. I'll probably end up using it as a lure move or something now x__X

I like it XD

[quote=Andre3006]If they did this, but increased the range and mobs hit then it would be more acceptable.

Technically it means they would've given us a mini-ultimate like dragon roar.[/quote]

They should make it 2 hits, 350% per hit (700% total), and increase vertical and horizontal range.

[quote=doxx13]Soooo, what's AE gonna look like?[/quote]

Same thing only magenta, shoots down, arrows go up.

[quote=icywarrior4]Thank god marksmen get pierce[/quote]

I know right. I'd die if we didn't.

Yew, the old one was so much faster and nicer... I wanted to make a Ranger for that skill...

What's the actual delay on current AR/AE? The new animation looks pretty slow, but not outlandishly so, especially if you're holding down the button.

I do agree though that the whacking is just silly and something with this kind of delay needs more than 500%.

Looks alot slower than right now

[quote=FrothyFrog]ya it does, have you ever tried it out?

750% damage on 6 monsters > 450% inferno damage on 6 monsters
and if you can 1 hit k/o w/ wind pierce then its perfect[/quote]

I don't know what you're talking about but wind piercing at level 5 is 600% to 3 targets with 1200 ms base cast time. Empress skills do not have the same stats as maxed cygnus equivalents. Inferno is far faster. Only time wind piercing is stronger is when you're maxing your skills. Once they are maxed wind piercing has no place on your keyboard.

They should just let us keep our old animation and give us a new 4th job ultimate skill with this animation. Just increase the range of it, make it 15 monsters, and change its damage to like 425% and make it hit 4 times (1700% total) That would be awesome.

Wind pierce doesn't even out damage blizzard much less inferno.

[quote=hidoshi94]and Snipers/MMs get blizzard...it doesn't have burn effect, but still, we get something [/quote]

You get freeze...Rangers got the BURN effect to equate with the FREEZE effect. I wouldn't call it "something", it was a useful skill even before BB and even post BB.

Maybe it's evolving into soul driver.

[quote=Takeback3r]Good thing bowmasters get inferno.[/quote]
and Snipers/MMs get blizzard...it doesn't have burn effect, but still, we get something

I like it.
Am I alone on this?

Good thing bowmasters get inferno.

I honestly don't like it.

I'm going to buck the trend and say I like the new animations (although why an xbowman uses a bow for AE i'll never know...), but the delay is insane. Good thing I never use AR anymore Now I can just show off the animation.

[quote=YTfan]Why are so many people maxing Strafe, i have hands on experience with Hurricane and i gotta say, it instantly replaces Strafe...
(no hate towards the TS, i just don't understand why people want to max Strafe)

OT: if they increased the speed and made the avatar do the shooting animation with the bow then it would be more acceptable[/quote]

I'm still thinking whether or not to do as I mentioned above, hence I said "I think I may end up."
Anyways, yeah. There's a lot of things they messed up for us lately; it was PKB's ability to be used in midair during Big Bang and now this...

Oh, and sorry to those who were thinking of making a BM/MM and changed their minds because of this. This patch doesn't come out until summer, so maybe you can enjoy it while it lasts?

aww. I'm not making a Bowmaster anymore.

Why are so many people maxing Strafe, i have hands on experience with Hurricane and i gotta say, it instantly replaces Strafe...
(no hate towards the TS, i just don't understand why people want to max Strafe)

OT: if they increased the speed and made the avatar do the shooting animation with the bow then it would be more acceptable

Thats terrible..... Forget it, im not making a marksman afterall =P Guess ill stick to Sair

How does it make sense? The arrows are somehow shot from an animation that doesn't match up with the character. The character whacks the bow...
The whole thing drives me nuts. I really enjoy the skill right now and with this change... I'm just disappointed.

I know it makes more sense with the animation but it doesn't really have the same feel to me.
The animation itself feels a little lacking.