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@someyounguy: I thought the point of reboot was that you need to earn everything yourself. So even on the smaller scale of getting a hand-me-down from someone else kinda defeats that purpose.

Personally I never had any of my social interactions while trading. I only shopped in stores because I didn't want to deal with spamming the fm.

@someyounguy: "the more time you put into the game, the better you are." You're destroying your own argument. The in game economy is too easy to manipulate. I've already said it isn't like a real economy, since in this, you can duplicate items and such, clearly something you can do in real life. The game's economy is too easily manipulated by out side currency. Be it USD, etc.

Honestly I would love current maple the most if nobody could cap yet. Too many OP items on the market now, which means there's a big gap between players. If all players were a bit closer in terms of damage, then you would be able to see party play again.

reboot for sure. i will always remember my pre-bb days, but the game has grown since then.

Reboot definitely. Pre-BB was fun, but there's so much more to do now.
The only things I really miss from pre-BB are the big maps, Hermit's Avenger and MCPQ.

LF>RebootEMS

@xshadow92: That is true that there are consequences, more so in reboot. However, they can still get ahead even if they get banned and start over due to how much time they spend online. Most people have things in life they need to do and can only be online for so long. They have the luxury of doing other things and still benefit by cheating. I see what you're trying to say but I can see Reboot flopping due to minimal interaction. Trade is one way players interact and is also a part of the gaming experience. I could be wrong and I might enjoy the game the way they plan to release it. As of right now, I think locking trade hurts reboot more than helps. To each their own. I don't plan to play with others nor care about other people's progression. I was hoping that my hunting would at least yield some revenue in the market instead of NPC'ing/meso looting things for mesos.

Not really. There are...ways...to play pre-BB again, that are against the ToS and I don't recommend. But I've tried them out, and it's not that great.

The best part about old Maple was:
-no HUGE polarization between funded and less funded, and the super godly people didn't really matter cause I could never get to their level
-playing with IRL friends along with my brother
-Monster Carnival

So Reboot takes care of that besides Monster Carnival (I think my brother is gonna play Reboot with me).
I don't think I could get used to leveling pre-BB slowness. There's too much higher level skills and content I would never be able to reach. I got my first level 70 after Ultimate Adventurers came out I'm pretty sure, which is I dunno when.

@someyounguy: True they can bot but they won't get nearly as far or ahead as they can in the current servers. Also they can't transfer anything they acquire in terms of equips so if they get banned, they'll have to start all over. From nothing. No funding, no items. Ofc they can just make another account and grind all over again but at least they'll have less incentive to do so because the risk is higher since you can't transfer valuables. I think you can transfer useable items though, I'm not sure but even then, it'll be stuck in that account so if it gets banned, it's still gone. That's still better than what we have now because there's a limit to what they can achieve. In other words, hackers will still be ahead, but not that far ahead.

@xshadow92: That's quite a misunderstanding. If they can bot, they can just bot 24/7. They would be far above everyone else in terms of level, gear and progression. They can still cheat and surpass everyone else by large margins. If you were on for 4 hours a day grinding, you would still have to manual loot. They on the other hand, can vac hack and tele around the map on classes who don't have good mobility and cheat for 24 hours on end. They would still have a greater edge. Hacking will always be an issue in every game. There's little anyone can do to stop them.

obviously pre-bb, it offers different game content. why reboot when u can play in normal server.

@someyounguy: Every grinding game will have hackers and botters. The thing is at least they won't have an item advantage. Us normal players will have the same opportunities and chances to get just as strong as them. If they have a bot we probably won't get to their level nearly as fast but we still can. Item wise at least we'll be evenly matched because they won't be able to use the botted mesos/items to sell and buy rare equips that we aren't able to obtain.

I don't think I miss the old server cuz it was kinda broken, it's the community. It's the connection of the pre-BB and community what makes people believe Reboot is going to bring back those experiences.

@lemasnatorme: And having botters/hackers top reboot in a no trade game makes the game any better how? Also, if you play solo in the game anyways, trading is moot to you. Once again, the more time you put into the game, the better off you are. Instead of making snide remarks, you could just say you don't enjoy the market as much as I do instead of being negative.

@someyounguy: Yes, the market full of dupers and botters is definitely what makes this game fun.

@lazyfaux: The market as it is now, I can agree that it sucks. However, if you ever found a 60% two handed sword attack scroll back in the day, you could actually sell that for mesos. Especially glove attack 60% scrolls. That's a part of the market.Making money from your hunts is nice as well as hunting while leveling. In reboot, you can't even buy NX or use it so why is trading a terrible idea? If I had old hand me downs and someone else needed them, I can't even give it to them free of charge or vice versa. It seems silly to me since it's as you say, the more time you spend the more you are rewarded. So, why is a nx free world stripped of their rights to trade?

I'd prefer current maple if only because these days all classes are viable. I don't ever want to relive the experience of leveling a White Knight pre-bb.
Besides, the true draw of pre-bb maple was the community, which will never happen again

I agree with lazy. The market only benefits those who can afford or choose to spend spare cash in this game to gain an advantage over the rest. They also tend to band together with others who choose to spend money on the game and monopolize items so they can profit off everyone else. I actually like the no trade option because it means you have to earn everything you have. If you see someone with an amazing item you know they earned it through hard work and grinding, with the exception of the few who get super lucky and have it drop on their first few kills. Also eliminates bots because you can't trade anything which means no more meso selling spamming bots, no more bots in maps vaccing and hacking your mobs for mesos and drops to sell.

Old maple has the nostalgic feel, that's about it. It was balls to the walls, and absolutely impossible to level, which gave you a sense of achievement if you managed to get to 70, or hell, even 120.

Someyounguy, to be honest, the market really isn't appealing for anyone besides the top players, who have a monopoly on the Sup Gollux, CRA, Faf, and Tyrant equips. Having a lack of trading or shopping, like a pretty good idea, since that way, it comes down to you putting time into the game, and not buying your way to the top. Hence the reason of the server.

it would be cool if they gave us the option of making our screen look pre-bb. with all the item tool tips squared offand that lighter shade of blue, as well as the mp/hp/exp all in the same row, that would be awesome. same fonts and everything, kind of like how we can have cascade damage or regular damage, we should have reg ui or pre-bb ui

I'd be in support of Pre-BB servers if it meant I could play old school Shadowers again.

Pre-BB the game was so boring. Reboot sounds so much better except for the no trading part. Not sure why that part was added. That makes the game less enjoyable as the market is part of the game's appeal.

Yeah I gotta admit most of the reason I prefer pre-bb is the community and the social aspect. People were actually hanging out and talking and having fun at henesys or kerning. People were just closer and more friendly back then. Near mayas house it'd be packed for days. The nostalgic maps are great as well but yeah I guess lack of content would kill it.

Nah people would regret wanting that, it's just the nostalgia feels of old maple. The only thing old maple had better was community tbh.

05/07? BB was at the end of 2010.
But not really, The game was way too grindy. If I had to go back to a time. It would be right after the Release of Cannonshooters. and not because thats my favorite class. but honestly every class after that was ridiculous, and after they ruined LHC the game seemed to be catering to the elite 1%. The moment LHC stopped being a viable training spot the game started sucking 100x worse

pre-bb for days. ONLY if the population was back to normal tho

I'd definitely rather Reboot over pre-bb...
Pre-bb has way less content, and really the only appeal to it would be the "nostalgia maps".