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[quote=xMocoMochii]Woah, this thread completely blew up. Anyway, @xZoeybear, here's a quick drawing for your youtube logo. [url=http://imgur.com/FgGkGhI]Sorry no kitkat bars though[/url][/quote]

We had some artists get in a fight with finger paint over a piece of newspaper. They battled it out till they saw the paint dry on the newspaper scraps and decided to try to pass it off as a piece of art and sell it for 20k usd.

Woah, this thread completely blew up. Anyway, @xZoeybear, here's a quick drawing for your youtube logo. [url=http://imgur.com/FgGkGhI]Sorry no kitkat bars though[/url]

aww thread title said u were looking for a drawer but looks like u need a graphic designer so boring

@hongfung: Meh, not a fight yet, but I'm done here lol.

[quote=enoch129]Not necessarily. "just trying to give someone an art project >.<" really did it for me. That's the BS that most artists detest, greatly. This isn't even a simple sketch/drawing either. It's a banner that's to be used for a youtube channel where the owner can possibly profit from (successful or not, it helps him/her).[/quote]

Well I was referring to:
"krishman : as an illustrator as well, is your recent screen is a good demonstration of your skills? lol"

Way to dis someone's art skills.

[quote=hongfung]This turned into someone asking for a drawing to a fight between artists.
I'm always looking for practice (not a full time artist, just a math/science student), but busy with AP's and IB's atm.[/quote]

Not necessarily. "just trying to give someone an art project >.<" really did it for me. That's the BS that most artists detest, greatly. This isn't even a simple sketch/drawing either. It's a banner that's to be used for a youtube channel where the owner can possibly profit from (successful or not, it helps him/her).

[quote=hongfung]This turned into [...] a fight between artists.[/quote]

lol! True.

This turned into someone asking for a drawing to a fight between artists.
I'm always looking for practice (not a full time artist, just a math/science student), but busy with AP's and IB's atm.

@QinusAxia: If it's a thread requesting for something, I'd see if it's something interesting enough for me to have pleasure doing/learn from, but also what the requester is offering in turn. Same goes for when an artist offers free requests because it's not an obligation for the art to be necessarily 'work' (it could just be a quick little sketch that takes no time at all).

[quote=QinusAxia]I do free work all the time and that's because I'm in no position to take commissions. The income I do get from my work is obtained via donations and I'm extremely grateful for those. Unfortunately, just because an individual makes artwork and pours their heart and soul into it, doesn't mean that it's worth anything. It takes a lot of practice to get to a commission level, you can't expect to get paid for everything you do. You can't into making money off of your artwork until you know how to draw what people want. More so, if an artist jumps into commissions too early, it tends to lead them towards a restricted learning environment. I don't see how I'm an idiot for wanting to learn, expand, and practice before doing it for money. The idiots are the ones expecting to get paid for everything they do when they're in their learning phase.[/quote]

As an actual working illustrator this is complete garbage.
No one is saying your work should be valued at 100 dollars an hour but you are putting and and effort into your work and if someone wants you to create something for them then you should be compensated for your time spent bringing their work into creation, the amount of people who undervalue themselves is ridiculous, even if you just charged minimum wage and worked an hour or two on this persons banner its better than doing it "for the exposure" or "for the experience."
My friend who is a student just put up a bronze cast skull for 3000 dollars on the word of her teacher and it sold for 2500. Yes shes still learning, it was actually the first or second thing shes ever casted, but that doesnt mean her work doesnt have a value.

[quote=GoodFortuna]Art is one of the only careers in which people will expect you to do things for free [/quote]

For some reason people assume if your product is a product of a genetic, inborn gift that it is of inherently less value than a skill or trade that is learned. Kind of stupid but I guess it's just a reflection of some of the inherent silliness of humans. People forget that you have to hone and practice these gifts...investing huge amounts of time in their development. I spend probably 2 hours a day every day practicing writing poems, songs(with the music), short stories and have even begun to piece together some novels.

@QinusAxia: Compensation doesn't even have to be of monetary value. Sure your work may not be worth money or of similar value to regular commissions, but doing it for absolutely free (nothing, nada)... hurts the artist community as a whole; the mindset of many non-artists at that. As a result of 'you' going about creating art for free (with no discretion), people like TS (though, she puts it in a more polite/non-demanding manner, others think art is something that has no value and can be demanded for just because they want a 'slice'. Sure, you may be nice enough to make art for people, but doing it just because you feel that you're not at that level to take commissions...don't do it at all. I'd understand if it was for friends/family, but for anyone that asks...? No. Think about this as a whole concept. You may gain some 'thank yous'/credit/feel good about yourself, but that doesn't mean you should go about devaluing the art of any other person (devalue as in make it seem that anyone can get free art).
TLDR: "Unfortunately, just because an individual makes artwork and pours their heart and soul into it, doesn't mean that it's worth anything." If you think idiots are people who expect to get paid for everything they do, that would make some sense, but it wouldn't make sense to do it for FREE. Art takes time, time that could be invested into something else that makes them happy/money. That opportunity cost equates to the loss that comes from doing it for free without anything to gain. Art has value. Thought it may not be of high monetary value, it still carries monetary (though,maybe at a small scale compared to commissions), sentimental, and personal value. To end, there's plenty of other ways of 'learning, expanding, and practicing'... so please don't dare use that as an excuse.

[quote=GoodFortuna]Art is one of the only careers in which people will expect you to do things for free [/quote]

Only because there's idiots who don't know the value of their time/resources/skill that do it for free. -_-;

Art is one of the only careers in which people will expect you to do things for free

[quote=BlackWingBlade]Normally I'd take this opportunity but it seems like my skills would be devalued, I mean whats in it for me?[/quote]

You get "exposure".

[quote=ItsOnlyDrew]And if you don't hit it big?[/quote]

You gambled on opportunity, you lost. No big deal.

And if you don't hit it big?

Having fun really, and you get credited in my bio/whatever so if i hit it big(which i doubt i will) you'll be famous for being my channel artist

Normally I'd take this opportunity but it seems like my skills would be devalued, I mean whats in it for me?