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[quote=iluvme][b]WHY SHOULD I BE JUDGED?[/b][/quote]
Maybe cuz you dont have a jaw, people get creeped out yenno?
How do you eat @@?

Silly bandwagoners, I've been playing EVERY CLASS since day one! Piss off <3

@Akaizer: Lol wow, that's pretty funny actually..

@Metaghost: so, in maple terms... would that be like if all the marksmen decided to main BMs because they hated the MM bandwagon?

[quote=PrimeRuler]I love how pointless this thread is. I can ask you the same thing: why do you care if other people care?[/quote]
Havn't you noticed that every revamp thread ever is flooded with posts of people whining about their class getting bandwagoned?
It's just pointless negativity over what should originally be a positive thing.

I love how pointless this thread is. I can ask you the same thing: why do you care if other people care?

You see, I agree with you when talking about choosing a class because you like it, but other people playing it do affect us: the price of items, if there's a revamp coming, events, mastery books, etc.

And people tent to stereotype and generalize classes so obviously, if your class is suited for KSing or any other purpose, and some (or many, or at least the most encountered) people use it for that, you'll be considered one too. Same thing in real life when people assume you should be X type of person because your from X country/place/race.

Sure many people play the class they like because they do like it, but you can't deny that many others play it for the wrong (or simply different than yours) reasons.

>created a DB years ago
>gets called a bandwagoner
>qq4life

@Ouhai
i've been playing classes that happen to be unpopular (mainly aran and hayato) and honestly wouldn't give 2poops about people flocking to them after a sudden damage boost, nor can i think of a reason to. It's not like ill suddenly dislike playing my class just because dmghoars are playing it. I play a class because i like to.
I am so lost.

@RanmaruStyle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X2AvfSTi6Q

Didn't play when it was at it's worst.
Some of us kept going.
Get buffed and wanna be a dmg whoe.
Sorry just my slice of pie.
(Most of them suck)

dam hipsters

[quote=Kagikyu]I don't know why WH's and MM's are so uncommon. Even right now they rank among the highest in DPM, certainly far above average. MM's have one of the best bossing skills in the game(although they can't really USE it until 190) and the sheer amount of buffs WH's have right now are insane.(which just get better once they reduce animation delays)[/quote]

From what I've seen, people seem to avoid archers... I don't know why, since they're so badass (especially BM's).

The way I see it, now with every "new" class having a link skill, everyone will make one from the start. If they continue it past 120 will be determined as they play. So you can all thank Maplestory for creating alot of this havoc you all complain about. I for one love being a bishop, in my opinion its the best class created.

I don't know why WH's and MM's are so uncommon. Even right now they rank among the highest in DPM, certainly far above average. MM's have one of the best bossing skills in the game(although they can't really USE it until 190) and the sheer amount of buffs WH's have right now are insane.(which just get better once they reduce animation delays)

[quote=Ouhai]This is different from people who join because damage is fun. The difference?:

People who play for damage as fun:
- has a general appreciation for all their skills (as in, if the skill is awful to us, people hate hit despite dealing high damage. People with appreciation either like it, grow on to it, or can tolerate it enough t not quit)
-Spend a significant amount of handwork and money to boost them up to their full potential (I'm talking about people who spent entire MONTHS preparing for this class)
- May dabble into bragging bu overall don't rub it in the faces of the classes who are weaker

People who represent the "bandwagoner" image: (and these people DO exist)
-Does not actually give a single care for their skills at all (playing it painfully only because its strong)
-Does not bother to work to fund it, but continues to relish and showboat their high unfunded damage (AKA running around with event sets, clean empress, no more than 10%-20% of their stat, usually a clean or scrolled but underpowered weapon)
-Use the said showboating of high unfunded damage to KS and brag to other who aren't as strong/ weaker classes
-warped sense of pride that comes from said bragging[/quote]

The qualities you listed for those two groups are completely interchangeable. Players who enjoy high damage are also capable of not funding their character, using their naturally high damage to ks, and use the class' skills begrudgingly for the damage reward. "Bandwagoners" can work hard to fund their character while also appreciating the class' nuances.

[quote=Ouhai]This causes the communities of rarer classes who now have the spotlight for their boosted damage to become paranoid to newcomers, as instead of attracting people who play casually or people who have an appreciation of what the class is capable of, it attracts these people who are rude and generally half braindead to be reasoned with as they continue to brag how powerful they are without actually being powerful[/quote]

I think you and I both know that a wide diversity of people are attracted to playing "bandwagoned" classes, not just morons.

@Fluorescing

You said "It's annoying to know people are playing classes for DAMAGE instead of fun, ultimately ruining the uniqueness of each class.".
I don't think this should annoy you for 2 reasons:

1. Damage and fun do not conflict with each other. What you perceive to be someone only playing for damage can be the reason for their enjoyment of the game.

2. I'm not sure what you mean by uniqueness in this context, but if you mean the uniqueness of how a class is played, it only affects the individual playing the class not the class itself I would think?

"i pl4y this class so i can have fun and be unique"

the hipster era is among us my friends.

[quote=KnuckleBrown]How is the uniqueness of a class affected by the amount of people playing that class? I don't see a relationship there. Damage and fun are not mutually exclusive and in fact, can go hand in hand depending on the preferences of the player. This game rewards damage output, and rarely much else. Thus, the logical choice for experiencing the game if your goal is to effectively defeat its challenges is to pick a high dps class. If anything, complain to nexon about the balance issues since they are the only ones who can actually resolve this perceived problem of lack of class representation.[/quote]

I don't think she was actually taking the uniqueness of a class and the number of people that plays the class into direct comparison.
She was just mentioning that damage hunger is one of the major determinants of the number people who play that class.
Rather than complaining, I think she's more disappointed that the other classes aren't being enjoyed as much (hence don't see them around) because of mere low damage.

If you get what I mean.

The only reason I have for hating "bandwagoners" is that prices for my class will inflate. Any other reason or any other class that people "bandwagon" idc about. I main a night lord though, so I don't have to worry about that

Eh, it's a whole spite thing when it comes to these classes.

For example: Marksman and WHs. No one gave a single f about them. In fact, people could each fill entire libraries with the amount of fs they don't give to them.

But: Unlimited Marksman = the strongest archer (until WAs) and one of the top 5 classes in the game. WHs = After the KMS revamp not too long ago, they are the 3rd strongest archer just under the fore mentioned MM except with more surivability than MMs. New archers are predicted to flock to them, right after the WA craze hunkers down a little. To bt it in perspective: Archer empress equips are the cheapest thins around, especially bows. With WA/MM/WH revamps, archer demand would rise

So, when classes like these who are barely cared about anyone else, other MMS and WHs begin to form their communities and become pretty tightly knitted together. While they don't exactly hate new people per say, they hate it when one only comes with same attitude most people who pick Kaisers/Xenons/AB: "OMGTHEYUBERSTRNGNNOW"

This is different from people who join because damage is fun. The difference?:

People who play for damage as fun:
- has a general appreciation for all their skills (as in, if the skill is awful to us, people hate hit despite dealing high damage. People with appreciation either like it, grow on to it, or can tolerate it enough t not quit)
-Spend a significant amount of handwork and money to boost them up to their full potential (I'm talking about people who spent entire MONTHS preparing for this class)
- May dabble into bragging bu overall don't rub it in the faces of the classes who are weaker

People who represent the "bandwagoner" image: (and these people DO exist)
-Does not actually give a single care for their skills at all (playing it painfully only because its strong)
-Does not bother to work to fund it, but continues to relish and showboat their high unfunded damage (AKA running around with event sets, clean empress, no more than 10%-20% of their stat, usually a clean or scrolled but underpowered weapon)
-Use the said showboating of high unfunded damage to KS and brag to other who aren't as strong/ weaker classes
-warped sense of pride that comes from said bragging

This causes the communities of rarer classes who now have the spotlight for their boosted damage to become paranoid to newcomers, as instead of attracting people who play casually or people who have an appreciation of what the class is capable of, it attracts these people who are rude and generally half braindead to be reasoned with as they continue to brag how powerful they are without actually being powerful

[quote=Fluorescing]It's annoying to know people are playing classes for DAMAGE instead of fun, ultimately ruining the uniqueness of each class.
It is already evident in maplestory that most of the people you see are Kaisers/DualBlades/Lumi/Phantoms.
The balance is completely trash. Pirates (namely Jetts) barely exist. Mages other than Lumis barely exist. Marksman and WH barely exist.
Learn your game[/quote]

How is the uniqueness of a class affected by the amount of people playing that class? I don't see a relationship there. Damage and fun are not mutually exclusive and in fact, can go hand in hand depending on the preferences of the player. This game rewards damage output, and rarely much else. Thus, the logical choice for experiencing the game if your goal is to effectively defeat its challenges is to pick a high dps class. If anything, complain to nexon about the balance issues since they are the only ones who can actually resolve this perceived problem of lack of class representation.

[quote=Fluorescing]It's annoying to know people are playing classes for DAMAGE instead of fun, ultimately ruining the uniqueness of each class.
It is already evident in maplestory that most of the people you see are Kaisers/DualBlades/Lumi/Phantoms.
The balance is completely trash. Pirates (namely Jetts) barely exist. Mages other than Lumis barely exist. Marksman and WH barely exist.
Learn your game[/quote]

Some people think that doing high damage is fun and I don't blame them. I don't like it when a class that is at the complete bottom starts to become popular with people just because it can deal high damage. It goes against the whole pride and sense of community that some people have for their classes, which is why people hate it, from my point of view at least.

Everyone likes to feel superior to someone

Never got why people chastise those who pick classes for damage optimization as well as conflating that reasoning with "bandwagoning". To me, choosing a class that can address the main challenges this game has to offer is a sound decision not warranting ridicule. Would you deride a doctor for "bandwagoning" the most effective medical treatment for a patient as well?

I think after one ubar funded person complained about band wagoning, everyone else started to as well.

@metaghost4: I'm so sorry that I didn't fully express my sarcasm. I will work on it right away! Because it's that important.

Thanks for the much need information.

[quote=SlashWire]@Akaiser I know what you mean now. Holy crap. Why does a game have that much damage in it. What are you facing a freaking supernova![/quote]
Actually, yes. They have attacks which literally use supernovas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y9JLGznEnA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGyheQGFkGo

[quote=SlashWire]@Akaizer what kind of numbers does Disgaea have o.o[/quote]

knew someone would ask, posted a link above.

@metaghost4
Because urban dictionary is always correct, and especially when there is only a single entry.

[quote=iceychill2]but it just annoys me when people become a class's biggest fans simply because it's new and puts up big numbers..[/quote]
Most of maple is about big numbers. Maple probably has the second largest numbers in any game ive played.
Disgaea would be #1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCfv37wwQaQ

lol, call me an "antibandwagoner." for me at least, the thing is that a class should be played if the person legitimately enjoys that class's skills and the other little kinks that make the class unique.

of course, when a new class comes out everyone's gonna try it out to find out whether or not they like its gameplay (<-- this is what a majority of basilers confuse as "bandwagoning&quot. but it just annoys me when people become a class's biggest fans simply because it's new and puts up big numbers..

silly antiantibandwagoner

[quote=YoureAWESOME]why do you care that they care? seriously? and why do i care that you care that they care? got damit[/quote]

the famous basiler paradox. He exploded btw.

[quote=StormZefoe]People love to be unique.[/quote]
Because playing a class designed with the sole intention of attracting players is SO VERY UNIQUE mirite?

why do you care that they care? seriously? and why do i care that you care that they care? got damit

People love to be/feel unique.

Oh my god, words cannot describe how much I agree with you.

You basilers and your new terms. I quit.