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[quote=izama]@Akatsuki0826: For starters, what are you talking about? You didn't make any point about buying or selling dews. You ran away from the argument so I used that as another example for you. Now that you actually asked a question about it let me answer it for you. It wasn't a numerical misjudgement. All items when npced are supposed to have their value reduced to about 1/4th their buy price. Nexon did label this a glitch like I said and shut the game down immediately? Are you not reading? Stop arguing with your pride and actually argue using logic and what's written here. If you read you would have had that question answered before you even asked. You would have also realized I brought it up against you, so it was never your point to begin with. You declared this the boxes as a glitch and an exploited one so boldly so many posts ago, and I provided examples and reasoning as to why it's not for both. You then run from the argument by trying to broaden it and look at all glitches. A non game breaking glitch is usually taken care of on a leisure-like rate, while the nature of this "glitch as you say" would normally have nexon shut the game down w/o warning. This isnt' a nonchalant type of action. They've done it every time always with in all the years I have played. I never said glitches are only things that can be exploitable, you just did. Don't put words in my mouth or try to broaden the scope of the argument as a way to escape it. Your pride means nothing here. As I've said I respect legitness but here you are wrong on your judgement of what is legit and what is not. First you describe this as a glitch on a scale that would cause the game to go down now you're trying to lessen its affect. Make up your mind about what you are defining in this argument. I pretty much lost all reason to debate with you since you don't even know what you yourself is arguing about other than your own pride of being legit. Since you don't get the difference between unintentional/misjudgement and glitch STILL, I'll give you one last example.

I'm an engineer, so things for me must always be literal and uses properly. Say I decided to make an automatic catapult. The only thing I have to input into it, is the power and angle of trajectory for the item I want to launch. I decided to launch an egg. I decided to put high numbers in it and a low angle. My numbers here are my intentional decision. What happens when I launch it? It hits someone , HARD, in the face. What do I tell them? It was a glitch or it was an accident? If you say the 2nd one then everything you just argued up to this point is invalid. Why do you say? Hold your pride for a second. Because as I said before, my numbers were my intention, but my results were unintentional. My catapult/system is working perfectly fine, but it gave me more of a result than I wanted. Instead I should apologize to the person and fix the problem. Likewise Nexon told us it was unintentional, and said they will fix it. If it was truly a glitch they would of shut down on the spot w/o warning to prevent the problem from growing.
In anycase, whether you understand from beyond this point or not, I really don't care. I like to be legit, but I do not brandish my pride where it is misplaced. Stop brandishing your pride, stop arguing with your pride. Stop labeling things legit and illegit when you do not understand the difference between unintentional and glitch. No one did anything wrong, they just applied their common sense. You decided to do it the hard way because you let your pride jump before your actual brain, so cookies to you. I respect your principle, not your judgement, so I highly recommend you make some revisions to this thread, so that it does not label others or lock it since its obvious where it is going.[/quote]

This will be my last response before I do lock this thread. As I stated earlier, I do see where this is going.

For one, I have brought that topic up. Please go back to page 8, my post will be the first on the page. It may not have been in the form of a question, but it was nonetheless a point that I brought up challenging yours. And how can you not say that was not a numerical misjudgment? Nexon intended to make the price 1/4 of the buying price, but inputted a wrong number, making the selling price higher than the buying. My point is that you call that a glitch, but do not call this a glitch. Nexon intended to make the drop rate small, but unintentionally messed up the numbers.

Another thing. You, as well as everyone else, assume that I am speaking from pride. This is also another assumption. I did in fact use logic and thought this through, and have come to the conclusion that this is not legit. If it is my pride speaking, then how am I even able to argue right now? This has nothing to do with my pride. What my pride had a factor on was my response after I concluded that these were illegit. I used my head to come to conclusion and my pride caused me to throw the boxes away. When I talk about my thinking of coming to said conclusion, I am not using any pride whatsoever.

About your example of the engineer. You intentionally put those high numbers in. Nexon did not for the drop rate. If they did, then it would not be a glitch nor an accident, but simply a revision. In Nexon's case, their numbers AND results were both unintentional. And my explanation of Nexon not shutting down the game goes as follows: I did say this glitch can be exploited. However, I also said that Nexon did not think that this was big or important enough to solve immediately. This entire time I have been saying that this is NEXON'S thought process, not my own. If it were up to me, I would have tried to fix it as soon as possible. Again, what Nexon does and what I think they should do are two separate things. You can argue that Nexon would shut down the game, but by the end of the day, none of us will know the truth.

After this long argument, it appears to me that one cannot discuss the topic of of legitness on Basil civilly. I am not calling you out specifically, but just the general massive amount of flame. We have maintained a (fairly) stable debate throughout the thread, but I can clearly see this going downhill. So I'm stopping this before it gets any worse. Every time I post about my thoughts of legitness, it always ends in fire. It's going to be a while before I make another post. Before we part, I'd just like to advise you to accuse people of not using logic and talking out of pride. You present good arguments, but your accusations of me only using pride and no intelligence would have eventually caused me to flame. But overall, it was a (decently) pleasure talk. I don't usually say that often. Farewell.

@izama

I don't really want to get into this flame war but...

What the point of discussing something you've already said about five times and most people don't understand? I'm sorry but you seem to be repeating o.o

[quote=Akatsuki0826]Everyone I know started farming the boxes yesterday, taking advantage of the glitched drop rate. I, on the other hand, decided to throw all mine away because I have used a glitch to get those boxes. I plan on starting over and trying to farm boxes with the PROPER drop rate. Please tell me I'm not the only one.[/quote]

And you're basing this off of the assumption that the
[quote=nexon]abnormally high drop rates[/quote]
was a glitch and not just an oversight on the part of Nexon (wouldn't be surprising, considering that the boxes [b]didn't unveil anything other than D ranks.[/b])

What do you mean 'Legit'? Is getting boxes during 2x not legit? o.o

I didn't farm for them and Idc about them.

It was not a glitch. It was an 'unusually high drop rate' as said by Nexon itself.

[quote=TheNightKato]lol u mad[/quote]

Quote of the day. -snaps fingers instead of claps-

You're arguing that it's a glitch, and izama has been doing a fine job of arguing that it isn't (I'm on her side, if it wasn't already obvious - her last example was perfect, and very characteristic of an engineer, I might add). At the end of the day, it's a controversial and petty issue. You're so fixated on it being a glitch that you can't see the bigger picture, so let me spell it out one last time:

What do you get out of dropping your boxes? Only the satisfaction of knowing you are legitimate in the strictest sense. Are there any advantages to being legitimate in this game? No. Does it make you better than other players who aren't legitimate? No. Clearly, then, dropping your boxes is a silly thing to do. Really, you're just forcing yourself to waste more time than necessary. If you didn't want this matter discussed, you could have omitted that information from your topic and still have a perfectly pointless debate about whether or not it's a glitch.

Everything @izama: said is correct.

You've got to be kidding me LMAO

PFFFFTTTT. LOL that was [i]unintelligent[/i] of you, but whatever if you feel accomplished, gg.

OH PLEASE people like you makes me want to roll my eyes >.< and who said that it wasn't legit?they made the boxes better and the drop rate lower that is all..so you just made it harder on yourself for nothing.GG

@Akatsuki0826: For starters, what are you talking about? You didn't make any point about buying or selling dews. You ran away from the argument so I used that as another example for you. Now that you actually asked a question about it let me answer it for you. It wasn't a numerical misjudgement. All items when npced are supposed to have their value reduced to about 1/4th their buy price. Nexon did label this a glitch like I said and shut the game down immediately? Are you not reading? Stop arguing with your pride and actually argue using logic and what's written here. If you read you would have had that question answered before you even asked. You would have also realized I brought it up against you, so it was never your point to begin with. You declared this the boxes as a glitch and an exploited one so boldly so many posts ago, and I provided examples and reasoning as to why it's not for both. You then run from the argument by trying to broaden it and look at all glitches. A non game breaking glitch is usually taken care of on a leisure-like rate, while the nature of this "glitch as you say" would normally have nexon shut the game down w/o warning. This isnt' a nonchalant type of action. They've done it every time always with in all the years I have played. I never said glitches are only things that can be exploitable, you just did. Don't put words in my mouth or try to broaden the scope of the argument as a way to escape it. Your pride means nothing here. As I've said I respect legitness but here you are wrong on your judgement of what is legit and what is not. First you describe this as a glitch on a scale that would cause the game to go down now you're trying to lessen its affect. Make up your mind about what you are defining in this argument. I pretty much lost all reason to debate with you since you don't even know what you yourself is arguing about other than your own pride of being legit. Since you don't get the difference between unintentional/misjudgement and glitch STILL, I'll give you one last example.

I'm an engineer, so things for me must always be literal and uses properly. Say I decided to make an automatic catapult. The only thing I have to input into it, is the power and angle of trajectory for the item I want to launch. I decided to launch an egg. I decided to put high numbers in it and a low angle. My numbers here are my intentional decision. What happens when I launch it? It hits someone , HARD, in the face. What do I tell them? It was a glitch or it was an accident? If you say the 2nd one then everything you just argued up to this point is invalid. Why do you say? Hold your pride for a second. Because as I said before, my numbers were my intention, but my results were unintentional. My catapult/system is working perfectly fine, but it gave me more of a result than I wanted. Instead I should apologize to the person and fix the problem. Likewise Nexon told us it was unintentional, and said they will fix it. If it was truly a glitch they would of shut down on the spot w/o warning to prevent the problem from growing.
In anycase, whether you understand from beyond this point or not, I really don't care. I like to be legit, but I do not brandish my pride where it is misplaced. Stop brandishing your pride, stop arguing with your pride. Stop labeling things legit and illegit when you do not understand the difference between unintentional and glitch. No one did anything wrong, they just applied their common sense. You decided to do it the hard way because you let your pride jump before your actual brain, so cookies to you. I respect your principle, not your judgement, so I highly recommend you make some revisions to this thread, so that it does not label others or lock it since its obvious where it is going.

i got 500 opened most of them -_-

It is clear to me that not only has the thread gone off topic (I simply wanted to see how many people did the same as me), but it has also sparked argument and flaming. If things don't calm down, then I'm going to lock the thread. You may call me a coward. You may say that I am running away because I know I am wrong, that I have no more arguments or whatever, but the truth of the matter is that this thread lost it's original purpose and is now just a battleground.

Have a cookie.

[quote=Torq]Saying abnormally high doesn't mean glitch lol. You can say the old drop/exp gains were abnormally high as well and nexon changed it. Seriously your arguments fail. You try to hard but you know I and everyone is right. You are illegit and you are saying incredibly dumb arguments.[/quote]

Do you pay attention to this thread at all? The point of this entire argument with everyone IS that I am saying the high drop rate is a glitch. Once again, you are bringing up unrelated topics as well as assuming things out of the blue.

I say that it doesn't impact me too greatly, so I'm indifferent about it more, or less. I'm keeping my boxes. I feel no sense of accountability for the programmer's mistake.

Didn't even know there was a glitch 'til now. Nexon's fault, and if they cared the game would be down right now so they could fix it.

In either case, all my equips are neb'd. I'll have to legitimately use my paycheck to upgrade now.

[quote=Torq]and that is just what happened now. they INTENDED it to be like that. Tell me where Nexon states that it was a glitch? They just said they are lowering the drop rate. Your arguments fail and you are illegit.[/quote]

What part of abnormally high drop rate do you not understand? Also, calling me illegit is not only completely unrelated, but you also have no evidence for your claim.

@MagiBombchu: Is that the honest thing to do? Yes. Do people do it? No. That holds no argument because you cannot exploit that fault in the machine. You do not know when's the next time that would happen. However, the players did know (at least the ones I'm referring to) that the drop rate was unintentional, but they CAN exploit that fault.

[quote=MagiBombchu]Tell me.

When you buy something from the snack machine, and the machine accidently gives you two instead of one, do you mail the second snack back to the company?[/quote]

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[quote=MagiBombchu]Tell me.

When you buy something from the snack machine, and the machine accidently gives you two instead of one, do you mail the second snack back to the company?[/quote]

Haha funny comparison, i like it. This speaks the truth!

inb4lock

@Spruce: How do I know? I don't know, maybe their post saying that the drop rate was ABNORMALLY high? Again, I say that those people are illegit because this is a glitch and abusing a glitch IS against ToS. My argument with you and the other Basilers IS me challenging your claim that it is legit.

@izama: Alright, and what about my point about the buying/selling dews to the store? You accuse me of running away from the argument and yet you didn't answer that. It was also an unintentional numerical error on Nexon's part by making the selling price higher than the buying price. And yet that was labeled a glitch, no? You cannot say that glitches are only things that can be exploitable or are game breaking because you also mentioned the glitch of not being able to make a UA. So if that numerical error can be considered a glitch, why can this one not be? And if you read my post, I said that Nexon did not see this glitch as game breaking because all you can get are D Nebulites. That is why the game was not taken down. Not because it could not be exploited, but because Nexon did not see any (big) harm coming from exploiting that glitch, so they can afford to wait.

@Torq: As I said before, you don't have to believe me. I don't care. For the second part of your post, please look up. The pre Big Bang EXP curve is not a glitch because they intended it to be like that.

@Amuro: The way it is meant to be played is by playing according to the rules set forth by Nexon, the creators of the game. Either you followed the rules or you did not. That is what determines legit from illegit. It is not opinion. Nexon's rules are clear and those who do not follow them are illegit. If you ask why I consider this to be illegit, that is because I am upholding the argument that this is a glitch. Abusing glitches is against the ToS and going against the ToS makes you illegit. There is no opinion on this matter. We as the players cannot decide what the rules are.

[quote=Akatsuki0826]@applecross: Nope. 3x is something intentionally initiated by Nexon. Therefore, it is not illegit. Please try again.

@Taichikara: "Abnormally high drop rate" They did not intend for the drop rate to be as high as it is (100% for crying out loud), meaning that the high drop rate is a glitch.

@izama: If the system is not doing what it is supposed to be doing (dropping the boxes at a certain rate), then you cannot say that the system is working properly.

People don't seem to understand that it was not Nexon's intention to make the drop rate that high. That makes it a glitch and by farming for boxes, knowing that the boxes have an abnormal drop rate, is abusing said glitch. Games are meant to be played by the rules. You say I'm stupid for following the rules? Let's see where that kind of thinking gets you in life. "Hey, why be honest and legit? If it benefits me, I don't care if it's breaking the rules!" And I'm the stupid one?[/quote]

Sorry, you're an idiot. It's people like you that cry over spilled milk. Grow up. Don't "pride" yourself in acting so legit in an online game. Honestly, every single time you make a comment a child dies somewhere, because you're so darn stupid.

[quote=Akatsuki0826]Oh? One is illegit when they do not play the game or an aspect of the game the way it is meant to. It holds no connotation. I did not say people are bad for being illegit. Good and bad are based on perspective and opinion, which I kept mine out of. But being illegit is a fact, not an opinion. Either you did something the way it was meant to be done or you did not.

@Amuro: So not being able to do the PQ is not the most concerning issue? If you are not convinced with that example, what about the Horntail glitch? Only 30 people can go fight HornTail after a SC. That is quite a big issue, since it prevents people from fighting him and also has caused hackers to DC people in order to get in. And yet Nexon has not done a single thing about it yet.[/quote]

I was about to leave it the way it was, but I have to call you out on this one. How is the game meant to be played? That may as well be a rhetorical question because any answer you give won't be correct for everyone (though it can be true to you). Also, the line between legit and illegit is something every player draws, and is therefore subjective. I for one, do not hold your high standards for legitimacy. Therefore, labeling people as illegit isn't stating a fact, it's imposing your opinion.

From what I know, CWKPQ introduced a channel-crashing glitch that was exploited for duping. That was the most pressing issue, and it was immediately resolved by shutting it down.

if nexon put that drop rate in the first place i'm saving lol their all the same boxes pretty sure this isn't considered a glitch LOL more like a nexon fail....

Nothing illegitimate at all about it. Nexon is just adjusting the drop rate. It never says it was a glitch. They're just changing it. You can't call PRE-BB a glitch because BB came out.

Whether it was a glitch or not, intended or not, I didn't have a single one on me since before maintenance xD

I just went to Beetles, hunted for like 5 minutes and got 10. It was enough to get me 20/25% boss, 1 15%/2 18% ignore def, 2 20% HP recovery potion and skill, decent sharp eyes, 1 extra second of invincibility, and abnormal status duration -2 sec.

I just wanted Sharp Eyes really lol but ended up with a few goodies.

All within 30 cubes, for people wondering.

@Akatsuki0826: What' now you're arguing in the opposite direction? Ok. For those who agreed with me Thank you! You guys understand my point.
Now for you TS. First off, stop trying to broaden and run away from the discussion. We were talking about a game breaking glitch as you say, that can be exploited and affect the economy. 2nd of all when people were using a glitch in cwk to dupe, Nexon did immediately take it down then shut the doors to it till it was finally fixed. So you are wrong on that point as well. Glitches that has an adverse affect on the economy always have the same results; immediate sc with no notice till after the games fully offline. This is not a glitch just a poor misjudgement which nexon admits when they said unintentional. I respect you, Akatsuki0826, for being legit, because I too take pride in being able to do everything legitly and still produce amazing results, but I find your argument and conclusions in this case purely full of ignorance and pride. You are now simply just flailing your fingers in any direction considering anything you see fit as legit and illegit. That's not how things work. If it violates ToS then it is illegit. This in no way violates ToS because it wasn't a glitch which you do not seem to be understanding. It was simply nexons intentional decision to set the drop rate what they did. It was their unintentional result that it came out so high from what the numbers they put in. See what I did there? Intentional decision, unintentional result. System works perfectly fine, just Nexon chose a bad number. Nexon admitted this, and did not label it a glitch nor penalize us for it. If it was a true glitch, they wouldn't give us time to exploit it. Things like not being able to make a UA is a glitch but has no affect on the game and cannot be exploited. Things like that would be put off till a week or so before they fix it. Things like newts dropping coins is an exploitedable glitch which is what we are dealing with in this discussion. As I said when ever these kinds of glitches are present (which earlier you claimed that this "glitch" is an exploiteable one) then nexon shuts game down with out warning.
If you do not get the point by now, I am sorry for you. I do respect your principles but I do not respect your judgement in this case.
I will say it again, it is not a glitch, it was an intentional decision with an unintentional result. Please stop glorifying your actions and let it go, because it makes those who farmed (a rightful and smart decision) look illegit, when they are not.

[quote=KingsGlory]just like you have no right to call other ppl illegit[/quote]

Oh? One is illegit when they do not play the game or an aspect of the game the way it is meant to. It holds no connotation. I did not say people are bad for being illegit. Good and bad are based on perspective and opinion, which I kept mine out of. But being illegit is a fact, not an opinion. Either you did something the way it was meant to be done or you did not.

@Amuro: So not being able to do the PQ is not the most concerning issue? If you are not convinced with that example, what about the Horntail glitch? Only 30 people can go fight HornTail after a SC. That is quite a big issue, since it prevents people from fighting him and also has caused hackers to DC people in order to get in. And yet Nexon has not done a single thing about it yet.

I'd refer you to izama's arguments (which say everything I want to and plenty more), but it seems like you've already looked through them and they just aren't getting through.

Regarding CWKPQ, just by shutting it down, the most pressing concern regarding its glitched state was addressed.

[quote=Akatsuki0826]Funny because I actually do all those things. And if you hadn't notice, that is the topic of this argument I am having with that other Basiler. Nexon did not make the drop rate on purpose, hence the "unintentional". They simply saw that while it was a glitch, it wasn't that important to solve right away. That is why the game was not taken down immediately. I am legit and you have no right to say that I am not.[/quote]

just like you have no right to call other ppl illegit

[quote=Torq]Not to mention TS it wasn't a glitch. This was done on purpose just like the 2h pinks were done on purpose. If it was a glitch Nexon would have said so and took them out right away. They kept the game up and just said they had an abnormal high drop rate. They never said it was a glitch. If it was a glitch they would have said this increase in box drop rate is a glitch and will be fixed during the next maintenance. However, they never said that. So TS you are wrong again. Stop pretending you are legit. No one is legit anymore in this game. It is not possibly to be fully legit in this game with the massive duping and hacking going on. Idc what you or anyone else says. you are illegit unless you make your own stuff, never go in fm, farm all the mesos yourself, never sell nx, etc.[/quote]

Funny because I actually do all those things. And if you hadn't notice, that is the topic of this argument I am having with that other Basiler. Nexon did not make the drop rate on purpose, hence the "unintentional". They simply saw that while it was a glitch, it wasn't that important to solve right away. That is why the game was not taken down immediately. I am legit and you have no right to say that I am not.

come on the boxes dropped at 100%

I didn't know there was a glitch yesterday...
Those boxes... no wonder I can't find peridots... Too many boxes... Just to get rid of them off the ground, I collected over 400 and threw them away. </3 o.o

@Spruce: And how do you know that is not Nexon's intention? They could very well purposely making OP classes to attract people into playing that class, only to balance them later to keep the game fair. If they released a mediocre class, who would play it? They initially give the class a lot of appeal, only to balance them after the OPness did it's job. Also, this gives them opportunities to buff all the other classes. To "catch up" with the new ones.

@Amuro: It is a common misconception that proper means good. I capitalized proper because that is a fact. The boxes were meant to be farmed with a low drop rate and proper is doing something the way it is meant to be done.

@izama: Just because it is a glitch does not mean Nexon will take down the game to fix it. CWKPQ is a perfect example. They were aware of it being glitched, but did not solve it immediately. In fact, it took them months to get it up and working again. It does not matter what kind of glitch it is. If Nexon feels that it is important enough to be dealt with right away, they will take down the game. If it is not as important, then they can wait. However, just because it is not as important or game breaking does not mean it is not a glitch. The example you gave with the buying and selling dews from the store. That is also a unintentional mistake with the numbers. And yet, it is called a glitch. Unintentional number mistakes ARE glitches. Nexon only deals with the important ones first and foremost.

@Torq: And why is that so hard to believe? I am a very active PvPer and a good one at that. My name is on the list for Scania's top PvPers. Would you like to try again?

[quote=Akatsuki0826]If one part of a system is not working correctly, then you cannot say the entire system is working right. To have a high drop rate, they must have coded it wrongly. That's something wrong with the system, which causes it to not work as it is supposed to. So if they code the chance of cubes giving higher tiers wrongly and it turns out to be absurdly high, you will not think that's a glitch? This is a glitch, one which Nexon informed the community of. I am not calling those who farmed the boxes who farmed them when they first came out illegit. I am saying those who saw Nexon's update on their website and decided to take advantage of the high drop rate are illegit.[/quote]

ppl who picked up boxes before the notice still abused a "glitch" as u want to call it. So by your definition they're illegit. By picking the boxes up in any shape form or fashion by your definition is abusing a glitch. I feel u're setting a double standard for what is "legit" and whats "illegit" in context to the current situation.

[quote=RiceEater523]That's great, now why do you have to go around parading around basil showing everyone how holy you are? If one intended to do what you were doing anyways, they wouldnt have already farmed the boxes. Like the proverb goes "Those who are good do good in private." You wouldn't be looking to get attention for doing you amazing deed for a game if you actually cared. The only reason I see that you would just throw this up is to gain attention and join the bandwagon of being a holy legit player.[/quote]

^round of applause. This man speaks the truth.

@Akatsuki0826: Incorrect. There was only one time this happened and let me bring the details out for you. When it came to the dews, they were INTENDED to have a low drop rate. What the glitch was , was that it had no droprate for anyone but warriors. To be more precise, it was not even visible unless you were a warrior. That is a glitch. You're not getting the picture of what I mean by what's a glitch and what's simply just unintentional. Another glitch, if you have been around here for the old Malady events, was the witch coins dropping where they shouldn't. They were supposed to drop from bosses but dropped from newties instead at a high rate. This allowed people to exploit them. Nexon took the game down almost immediately. Here is another glitch for you. There was a time where you could buy those dew mp pots then npc them back for more than you bought. That was a glitch. Nexon took the game down with in 1~2 hours after it was up. Each time there is a glitch that can be exploited in the way you describe, nexon immediately takes the game down to fix it. Not tell us , it was unintentional and have an sc the day after. Are you starting to get the picture? I doubt it considering all the responses you gave me so far. Unintentional means that they made a misjudgement, and that everything is working fine. They probably judged that a certain drop rate for the boxes was ok, so they deemed it a certain value. What ended up happening was that the rate was too high, which is unintentional as they said. If it was truly a glitch, they would of simply shut the game down much sooner with out even notifying us. That's how they've always done it, and I'm not kidding you when I say always. They simply said it was unintentional and said they'll do it next day.
Also, again, by making this thread and continuously glorifying your actions as legit and saying doing the opposite is illegit, you are labeling people. No one did something wrong here. If you farmed, gratz to you. If you chose not too, also gratz to you, you wanted to do things a more difficult way, or safe way as you may have thought; but no one was wrong to begin with and no one did anything illegit. Nexon simply made the rate higher than they wanted and said so. So stop saying its a glitch when it is clearly not.

[quote=Akatsuki0826]@Amuro: And you know what they say about assuming things.[/quote]

Can you really blame them? You make a topic that basically boils down to: "I'm not farming boxes like everyone else I know because I'm legit. Are there any other legit players out there?" You even capitalized the word "proper". Tell me that doesn't suggest pretentiousness.

What enemies drop them fastest?

@Taichikara: Thank you! and may i say your character is adorable

@Amuro: And you know what they say about assuming things.

@Stanley792: Once again, wrong. I am legit. If you don't take my word for it, you can ask any of my guildies or friends. If you won't take their word for it, then fine by me. You don't have to believe me.

@DeadProphet: I have not even socketed a single item yet, so I threw the Nebulites away as well.

I threw all of mine away before I saw the notes sooooo now I'm 'legit'.

[quote=Akatsuki0826]@Amuro: Another thing. Everyone automatically assumes that I made this thread to show off my legitness. That is completely not the case. If you actually read the thread and look at the choices, I only wish to see how many other people choose to do the same thing as me. Did I say that I'm so great and better than you for being so legit? No. I just want to know how many others share the same kind of thinking. I am legit because of my morals. You cannot accuse me of something without even knowing me.[/quote]

If you read my post carefully, I didn't accuse you of anything. I said "it makes you seem pretentious." By nature, it's what the topic suggests (and is why other users have assumed it).

what....? it wasnt a glitch nexon decided to make it possible to get c,b,a nebs from boxes and decrease the drop rate

@Spruce: Nexon intended those classes to be like that. Your analogy makes my eyes bleed.

@Torq: Thanks for assuming, but unfortunately you're wrong. Would you like to try again?

I really couldn't give a damn. This nebulite system sucks just as much as no HappyVille. >.<

you're a fool~

[quote=izama]@Akatsuki0826: The entire system is working correctly. It doesn't take a bad code to have a high drop rate. It takes a small change in numbers and is not something wrong with the system but instead a poor decision. Here's more examples for you since you do not seem to understand what glitches are and unintentional decisions. Say I was working for nexon. I decided lets sayyy, that these alien cubes aren't that ground breaking and a fair number would be 4, to put as the factor for its drop rate. I may have the intention that it'll drop probably every 2 or 3 kills if I just throw a 4 in there. When we release the game, it turns out it has an almost 100% drop rate. That's not a glitch, but it wasn't intended to be so high. So what do I do? I say sorry to the players, and just fix the numbers. No one gets penalized, no one gets labeled as illegit. It's just simply an unintentionally high drop rate, nothing more nothing less. The drop system works perfectly fine (except for at strong hold). They even said it was just unintentional, and they didn't call it a glitch. Nexon isn't afraid of calling a glitch or exploit out, and when they do have ones like that, they immediately shut the game down before even noticing. They've done it many times before. By making this thread to glorify yourself as being legit for doing this, and defining anyone else who did as illegit, you are calling those who farmed the boxes illegit. Those who saw the notice, just did the smart thing and got there boxes before the rate dropped, that way they would be ready if it was a staggering drop or just a small drop.[/quote]

There have been glitches where some item has an incredibly low drop rate or did not drop at all. That is also an unintentional mistake with the numbers, and yet Nexon calls that a glitch. However, you cannot abuse that sort of glitch. This scenario is just the opposite of the example I gave. Instead of low/no drop rate, they have a high one, which people CAN abuse. And by abusing a glitch, you become illegit. You talk as if I saw this and instantly proclaimed that it was illegit. I actually thought of this beforehand.

Edit: To those who farmed unknowingly about the glitch, that cannot be helped. However, it is up to you to decide whether or not you will keep those boxes after you found out it was a glitch. I do not consider these type of people to be illegit because they have no knowledge of the glitch. While I personally would throw them away afterwards, it will essentially be up to you.