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Nightlord or shadower or Db

idk if i want to do a job change, i like how DBs atk fast and have stance, but thats about it. How are shads and NL compared to DB in bossing and training?
i usually see a lot more NLs then DBs.
i have 70% luk excluding dagger and katara
range on my DB is around 280k buffed
i have around 4b to perfect my claw if i change NL since today is spell trace fever
also should i 30% or 15% my claw?

March 22, 2015

6 Comments • Newest first

Lecarde

[quote=AntiSenpai]Shad has stance if you're attacking with Assassinate. ^^

Has better damage then the other two at all levels of funding.

[B]Can attack just as fast as NL if you play it correctly.[/B]

Not clunky as many people say, they just don't know how to play the class.

At late endgame is best bossing class, but gotta fund it.

Best class for minimum, high funds (DB-NL are better for medium)

Can hit 2x higher than both DB/NL with Hyper skill.

It may not be as action packed as DB but it does have a few combos to use. Given how DB is fast and cool the "fun" factor for me is DB> Shad> NL (Only cause with Db you can basically fly and be a legit ninja, but if you're minimal fund, that's all you can do, you won't do crap for damage)

You'll get to do late game bosses before DB/NL.

Shadowers are badass.[/quote]

This depends on DSE or +1 attack speed IA though. That isn't something that the average player has so it shouldn't come into consideration. Shad are only stronger than NL at low and extremely high levels of funding. More damage per line =/= more damage overall.

Reply March 22, 2015
DragonBandit

https://itzdarkvoid.wordpress.com/2014/07/26/kms-tespia-1-2-509-dpm-chart/

I will just leave this here. DB is 31, NL is 19 and Shad is 16.

Reply March 22, 2015
GetDefensive

[quote=AntiSenpai]Shad has stance if you're attacking with Assassinate. ^^

Has better damage then the other two at all levels of funding.

Can attack just as fast as NL if you play it correctly.

Not clunky as many people say, they just don't know how to play the class.

At late endgame is best bossing class, but gotta fund it.

Best class for minimum, high funds (DB-NL are better for medium)

Can hit 2x higher than both DB/NL with Hyper skill.

It may not be as action packed as DB but it does have a few combos to use. Given how DB is fast and cool the "fun" factor for me is DB> Shad> NL (Only cause with Db you can basically fly and be a legit ninja, but if you're minimal fund, that's all you can do, you won't do crap for damage)

You'll get to do late game bosses before DB/NL.

Shadowers are badass.[/quote]

Also with the stance with Assassinate it's like super stance.
Nothing can kb you while you are mid animation. Like Magnus kb and Vellum kb they do nothing to shads.

Reply March 22, 2015
AntiSenpai

Shad has stance if you're attacking with Assassinate. ^^

Has better damage then the other two at all levels of funding.

Can attack just as fast as NL if you play it correctly.

Not clunky as many people say, they just don't know how to play the class.

At late endgame is best bossing class, but gotta fund it.

Best class for minimum, high funds (DB-NL are better for medium)

Can hit 2x higher than both DB/NL with Hyper skill.

It may not be as action packed as DB but it does have a few combos to use. Given how DB is fast and cool the "fun" factor for me is DB> Shad> NL (Only cause with Db you can basically fly and be a legit ninja, but if you're minimal fund, that's all you can do, you won't do crap for damage)

You'll get to do late game bosses before DB/NL.

Shadowers are badass.

Reply March 22, 2015
Evenings

i think NL i had a shad and since they got revamped i hated them, BStep is so slow and looks less cool then it did back in the day, and someone told me Meso Explosion is also gone so no point in them anymore

i only played DB when some of their skills you needed NX for dunno if that is still a thing but yea they are fun

i Love NLS but very expensive, They are all very mobile but i think NLS is easier for high dmg makes training and bossing much easier and then you can fund everyonee lse

Reply March 22, 2015
Klytta

If I were you... I'd make the claw even if you do end up staying DB. Having the weapon for later is nice. Or being able to sell it is nice as well. 15%>25%, 30>45%... so it comes down to if you're feeling lucky. I already posted somewhere about the creation costs of a 15% traced item and how to roughly figure it out.

Here: You're going to be scrolling it at first for 3-4 successes. If you don't get that many out of the 8 tries then innocence and redo. Take the success rate 25% and then take the amount of slots the item will have after you land 3-4 scrolls (or more). So going with pure average rates we get... 1/4 successes. So 4 tries each slot. Now then, take the slots and do 4 x # of slots left. You get the total amount of tries you would need going with pure average rates. So if you have 6 slots left you will be scrolling around 24 times. Now then, for each slot you succeed on you no longer have to slate it. Or NX protect it. So expect to have 20 be fails. For the cost of fixing the slots just do 20 x the cost of each NX scroll. Or knowing that 10% slates are a 1/10 chance do 20 x 10 = the total number of slates you will need. Again using pure average successes. No luck nor bad luck. Now then it will take 200 slates. 200 x the cost of each slate in your world. And that is the total meso cost. Before you add in luck or bad luck. Oh and figure in the spell traces 28+ spell trace tries (for this example) x the # needed per slot x the price per trace. This is without adding in innocence scrolls. You have to do the math yourself I don't know your worlds prices.
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Reply March 22, 2015 - edited