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HOLY COW BABY JEBUS
LF>THT

Now he/she needs cubes.

I'm speechless X_X

wooow i wish i had one of those O_O

@DaNo0b yes there are GM scrolls..... at least in EMS we have em

I thought that was HP...

[quote=Disquised]Give says in the Item Smega "thanks for the 10%'s"[/quote]

Oh, I didn't read that.

[quote=Golfek]That or they used GM scrolls.[/quote]
Give says in the Item Smega "thanks for the 10%'s"

[quote=FaTaLP3NGU1N]14 Overall dex 10% scrolls worked.... wow... so many White scrolls must have been used o.o[/quote]

That or they used GM scrolls.

pure madness
if he really wanted to gamble he could have chaos'd it for att

Lol top/bottom is still better I think, since those could go up to like 50dex and 14%more dex.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_S5cXbXe-4 ]My reaction...[/url]

Mother of...what is this? .__.

100 dex is 20lvls....

[quote=Rapptz]The more you have of stat, the less useful it becomes. Your ratio in a sense widens. Using it in the most simplicity we can suppose we have over 4000 DEX but we only have 300 attack, meaning that our simple ratio would be 4000:300, or 13 DEX to 1 Attack. Plug that into that overall over there and you have an 8 attack supposed overall that you could have achieved easier with chaos scrolls.

Now let's say Give has a hacked bow, which we'll put him over at 500 total ATT and 4000 total DEX, you'd have 4000:500 or 8 DEX = 1 Attack which means the overall gives off about 12 attack total in terms of ratio. The sense is the same because the concept is there, more worth of something the more useless it becomes.[/quote]

ooo, what's 4000? base dex or total dex with potential?
And what's 300 att from? bow only or all equips total?

It would've probably been better if he scrolled it with chaos scrolls sine it already has attack on it. @__@

you can get 170str so easy.... idk why people are nagging, if you can't make it then don't bash on others, its a nice overall.

-rubs eyes in amazement-
but seriously, if it had High %DEX as potential, I would totally buy it, if I had the funding too...

Noo man! Chaos scrolls, That has w.attack :I

[quote=Antistds]LOL @ 3 Set effect[/quote]
It's a typo. It's actually +15% HP & MP

Meso pl0x

Where do you get that? I want one....

[quote=SasukeIIV]No, not really. If anything % stat makes that 100 dex more valuable. What good is attack if you won't get above 15 (gotta be very lucky and have more than one of those equips to reach that, you'll most likely lose the attack)? With the scrolls you lost you would be losing a lot of dex, dex that would be pretty much doubled with someone with that funding (obviously they would have over 200% if they have the funds to get that equip.)[/quote]

the more % stat you get, the less useful it becomes, the attack is just a final multiplier to the weapon formula.

of course Give owns it lol

[quote=Rapptz]Kinda trashy considering when %stat comes into play, attack is better.[/quote]

No, not really. If anything % stat makes that 100 dex more valuable. What good is attack if you won't get above 15 (gotta be very lucky and have more than one of those equips to reach that, you'll most likely lose the attack)? With the scrolls you lost you would be losing a lot of dex, dex that would be pretty much doubled with someone with that funding (obviously they would have over 200% if they have the funds to get that equip.)

O_o someone must have alot of moneys to spend....

100 Dex... WOW I WANT IT! (But it needs 21% Dex) then so pro

thats one lucky suuu biuayautch .

[quote=NotSchitzo]Whoever says "chaos it" doesn't know mathematics... when we get Legendary potential 32% will = 21% probability. Thus people with this kind of funding will be able to get mostly 32%items, meaning 1dex > 1att. It's already true in my case, 1att = 186 to my top range, 1luk = 195 to my top range. The more total % stat that you have the more 1 stat point means, I'd gladly have 100luk rather than even 60att which you will never see one of these robes get that high.[/quote]

that makes no sense, your attack is simply your final multiplier. if you increase your luk by x% you roughly multiply your whole dmg by that x %, the same thing with attack. This means if you have let's say 100% luk potential, then you have 200% luk(100% potential+original 100%), if you get another 10% luk potential it doesn't mean it will give you 10% more dmg. it means it would give you roughly 5% dmg. since 10/200 = 0.05. while if I have 100 attack and get 10 more attack, it will mean I get 10% more dmg. as resole said on the first page, the more stat you get, the less useful the stat becomes. meaning let's say you have 400% total luck and 100 attack. even if you get 300% more luck it wouldn't beat another 100 attack boost.

[quote=KaRnAgE926]you forget how you would equip a full set without using a 70 stat CHTP because all of the items in the set require 170 STR meaning you give up 170 either base or at least 100 base str + 70 stat CHTP to even end up equipping the entire set. The only decent items from the empress set are the Gloves and Weapons. Unless you get really lucky with chaos scrolls and have a 70 stat CHTP the top/bottom combo benefits majority of Archer populous.

I rather stick to my 27 atk vss, 20 atk cape, 21% Dex scar helm, 32 atk empress glove, 36% Dex top/bottom, 195 atk VIP bow which greatly outweigh that extra 15 atk boss and 30% bossing. You would lose out on 26 atk on vss vs the empress shoes unless you wanna be pro and scroll those with shoe atk's then again the factor of 170 str comes in again vs 0 for vss. Same applies for Empress cape, helm, overall.[/quote]

that is false, if you have the whole empress set then you will only need 30-40 str pre empress gears to equip the empress gears, you can easily make each of those empress equips support each other by using the equip glitch(getting str equips>equip all empress gears, if you have 170 str with all gears equiped(excluding the str equips), then you can then take off the str equips and the empress gears will still stay on). No matter how hard you try you can't simply beat 45 attack bonus in addition to 30% boss dmg bonus with a perfectly scrolled set(non chaosed) the set include every other set effect, meaning when you have the 6 set effect you will also have all effect from 2-5. which means this top/bottom combo+bfc combo will need to beat 20 all stat+45 attack+30% boss dmg bonus. Let's say we perfectly scrolled top+bottom with armor for attack and with the legendary bonus the top has perfect potential of 8/8/8, which means you gain 24% dex potential(unlikely to have perfect dex on all 3 lines anyways)+3 attack from extra armor attack bonus and let's say you have a 20 attack bfc versus the lvl 140 cape armor att scrolled(10 attack). this means you gain 13 attack+24% dex potential versus the 20 all stat+45 attack+30% boss damage. subtracting the 13 attack, you will basically have 24% dex.vs.20 all stat+32 attack+30% boss damage. A mere 24% dex won't beat the set boost either way you look at it. also for the shoes argument, I'm not even sure why you are even bringing it up. you are were comparing perfect potentials+perfect scrolling using armor attack. If you have the funding to even perfect potential your top+bottom then you can easily perfect your shoes again, it only cost around 40 bil to perfect again anyways. Even let's just say we don't even scroll the shoes, you still have 24% dex.vs.20 all stat+6 attack+30% boss damage. So 24% dex would end up losing either way you look at it.

this it the equip glitch:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/854/96850194.png/

the person in the ss needs 100 dex to equip the lvl 30 archer top+bottom, it's not possible to equip 1 or the other. What the person did was use the armadius hat that gave 12 dex, thus ending up with 111 dex, then he proceeded equiping both the lvl 30 top+ bottom. After that he took off the hat and the 2 equips stayed on. Aka the top gave the dex req to the bottom, the bottom gave the dex req to the top, so I can pretty much guarentee you that you don't need to sacrafice any str, as most of the str is taken care off by the equips them selves. with all stat %. you can easily go full empress equips strless even.

as for the sets, fiel said it here:
http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=36818

he said you gain 45 attack when you wear 6 sets, meaning you gain all the set effects from 2-6. just in case you need confirmation on it

i want it... so bad!

Give = Owned = From El Nido Lols

Lol, look at that accuracy.

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhoot! O.O'
i'm jelly ._.'

Whoever says "chaos it" doesn't know mathematics... when we get Legendary potential 32% will = 21% probability. Thus people with this kind of funding will be able to get mostly 32%items, meaning 1dex > 1att. It's already true in my case, 1att = 186 to my top range, 1luk = 195 to my top range. The more total % stat that you have the more 1 stat point means, I'd gladly have 100luk rather than even 60att which you will never see one of these robes get that high.

well that bowman sure gonna be op at jump, nice armor

Now it just needs 21% dex and the 6 set bonus so you have 100 dex, 21% dex, 30% boss and 20 w att.

[quote=KaRnAgE926]I rather stick to my 27 atk vss, 20 atk cape, 21% Dex scar helm, 32 atk empress glove, 36% Dex top/bottom, 195 atk VIP bow which greatly outweigh that extra 15 atk boss and 30% bossing. You would lose out on 26 atk on vss vs the empress shoes unless you wanna be pro and scroll those with shoe atk's then again the factor of 170 str comes in again vs 0 for vss. Same applies for Empress cape, helm, overall.[/quote]
Considering you're a dmg hoe, getting 170 str wouldn't a problem for you since you probably have a 40+ all stats chtp. Sooner or later, you will have to upgrade those to empress equips. You don't even need to use the overall when top/bottom + 5 empress equips will be enough for endgame gears; even the czhelm then will get upgraded to 30%.
[quote=KrewBoy]UPDATE: The overall was sold to the guy who semgad below the item, qTsam, and he cubed it to 15% dex.[/quote]
Naw, I think he just gave it to him since they're best of friends.

Holy....
That defence is to DIE for....

B-b-b-bloody h-h-h-3-1-1-sss....

[quote=Asiaox123]For the majority, yes, you're right, the top/bottom combination would be better than the Empress set. For people like the person who owns the item in the screenshot, it's completely different. However, if anyone in the "majority" would ever like to improve their range, they're eventually going to go for the Empress route.[/quote]

that overall is a terrible example of scrolling though it would be more beneficial to chaos empress equips to greatly outweigh top/bottom combo like the other SS with the 19 atk Raven horn Helm.

[quote=Asiaox123]The majority won't even be able to make such a comparison because the majority can't cube every Empress equip to perfect. So you have to compare the minority.[/quote]

Needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. And the resale value of VSS, BFC's, VIP equips are greater. VSS and BFC's are not class specific either like the empress equips. Also Stirgeman pant's isn't class specific and also benefits mages using top/bot combo.

Edit: @above: you're still referring to the 1% populous while I'm referring to the 99.9%. In the end its a player's call to what he/she think's benefits him/her the most.

[quote=Asiaox123]There's the Akyrum Pendant which I heard fully scrolled is like 55 all stat? And I believe people who can afford this will be able to get a 70 all stat CHTP.
And no, the 170 DEX requirement can be "glitched" so it requires less DEX requirement. You equip everything (normal gear not the 170 DEX requirement). You essentially equip one piece of gear at a time and use its own stats to equip itself.[/quote]

you mean STR not Dex. To equip that 1 equip still requires 170 STR. And again the ppl that can afford 70 stat CHTP's are only 1% of the population, were talking about the majority not the minority. And Dominator Pendant isn't even out yet and won't be for months on end.

[quote=Asiaox123]Let's see, assuming Legendary potential is 12/9/9 for 3rd Tier and 9/6/6 for 2nd Tier (is that right?), the main thing it comes down to is does the top+bottom combination exceed 30% bossing + 30 attack. The overall will be 30% DEX. The top/bottom set will be 21% DEX + 30% DEX. So that's 51% DEX. However, there's the 30 attack problem. Considering one gets very lucky with Chaos scrolls and gets 20 attack on top/bottom and 25 attack on the overall (because it has more slots). That's 40 attack versus 25+30 attack. 15 attack bonus to the overall. Does 51-30% or 20% DEX difference exceed a 15 attack bonus + 30% bossing? I'd say, no, the 15 attack bonus will be better. With Legendary potential, you can easily have ~400% of a stat. 20% DEX on 400% stat is around 5% damage increase. However, a bow's attack, if it's not hacked, will make it hard to break 300 ATT, even with enhances. So let's assume said person has 300 ATK. 15 attack boost is a 5% boost as well. However, there's the extra 30% bossing on the overall set, and not on the top/bottom.[/quote]

you forget how you would equip a full set without using a 70 stat CHTP because all of the items in the set require 170 STR meaning you give up 170 either base or at least 100 base str + 70 stat CHTP to even end up equipping the entire set. The only decent items from the empress set are the Gloves and Weapons. Unless you get really lucky with chaos scrolls and have a 70 stat CHTP the top/bottom combo benefits majority of Archer populous.

I rather stick to my 27 atk vss, 20 atk cape, 21% Dex scar helm, 32 atk empress glove, 36% Dex top/bottom, 195 atk VIP bow which greatly outweigh that extra 15 atk boss and 30% bossing. You would lose out on 26 atk on vss vs the empress shoes unless you wanna be pro and scroll those with shoe atk's then again the factor of 170 str comes in again vs 0 for vss. Same applies for Empress cape, helm, overall.

how is this possible?

@itzdots LOLOL

I'm not really impressed...yeah. He really should have chaos'd it.

[quote=KaRnAgE926]obviously you haven't done your research. Top/bottom is 14%+21% = 36% obtainable. The overall is 21% obtainable.

A top can be 23 Dex + 27 Dex with bottom = 50 Dex. 10 Dex = 1%, 50 Dex = 5% Dex + 36% = 41% Dex.

That Overall alone = 100 Dex = 10% Dex + 21% = 31% Dex. The top/bottom wins by 10% Dex which is basically 100 Dex more than the overall alone and the 170 STR sacrifice isnt needed.

Furthermore these are just current stats, I haven't even counted how much further the stats can be raised with Legendary potentials.

On top of that there are Armor for Atk scrolls which can give +1 atk with 9 slots on top + 9 slots on bottom thats additional 18 atk vs 15 atk on the overall if only those scrolls were used on both. I haven't even counted how much chaos scrolls can raise the stats with armor atk scrolls.

The 170 Str already hinders your damage vs no 2ndary stat requirement on bottom and barely any STR needed for the Overall. The only people that benefit from the overall are people who have 70 stat CHTP's which are like 1% of the MS population.

Top/bottom combo still wins.[/quote]

What about legendary tier and the full set effect?

[quote=johny2toes]top/bot isn't better then a +30 atk +30% boss damage though. Sooner or later we'll be able to get the full Empress set.

Edit: Also... The highest lv bowman top/bot is lv 40. </3 So... Yes actually in all ways this is far better then a top/bot.[/quote]

obviously you haven't done your research. Top/bottom is 14%+21% = 36% obtainable. The overall is 21% obtainable.

A top can be 23 Dex + 27 Dex with bottom = 50 Dex. 10 Dex = 1%, 50 Dex = 5% Dex + 36% = 41% Dex.

That Overall alone = 100 Dex = 10% Dex + 21% = 31% Dex. The top/bottom wins by 10% Dex which is basically 100 Dex more than the overall alone and the 170 STR sacrifice isnt needed.

Furthermore these are just current stats, I haven't even counted how much further the stats can be raised with Legendary potentials.

On top of that there are Armor for Atk scrolls which can give +1 atk with 9 slots on top + 9 slots on bottom thats additional 18 atk vs 15 atk on the overall if only those scrolls were used on both. I haven't even counted how much chaos scrolls can raise the stats with armor atk scrolls.

The 170 Str already hinders your damage vs no 2ndary stat requirement on bottom and barely any STR needed for the Top. The only people that benefit from the overall are people who have 70 stat CHTP's which are like 1% of the MS population.

Top/bottom combo still wins.

where do these new lv 140 equips come from? o-o

Like a Baws

wow
never seen better potential in my life.

Wuss should have chaosed it.