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@lilikoby i wasnt talking about you i was talking about deadtuna here

morals are important. are you a proponent of eugenics, then?
and morals arent a loose social construct, theyre as close to innate as possible without actually being innate
sympathy (which i think is an inherent human trait) leads inevitably to morality

edit: empathy*

@deadtuna as well
what you're suggesting is only possible in the dearth of morality

[quote=Xreniya]since when were morals derived from an evolutionary standpoint?

i do agree though we should kill all fat people if only to improve the view[/quote]

yo i never mentioned morals in any of this lmaoo

@Xreniya: Who says i cared about morals lmao
Honestly, though I don't even know why morals are even a debate since it's a loose social construct

since when were morals derived from an evolutionary standpoint?

i do agree though we should kill all fat people if only to improve the view

[quote=deadtuna]@Sezbeth: People with genetic predisposition to poor self control and delayed gratification are shown to be less successful in virtually all aspects of life, so a few losers dying won't change anything, consider they won't make a huge impact (And probably will leave a negative impact) on the world anyways right? Also, what benficial genetics would we be losing, ms expert?[/quote]

Classic case of correlation not being grounds for causation. The "laziness and self control" argument is a social structure derived from western culture. There are actually more individuals with those proposed behavioral deficits without obesity, though this is largely due to demographic v population comparison. However, it serves well to bring me to the next point; you have people who would be considered obese by medical standards who are also notably successful (noted politicians, some scientists I've known myself, etc.).

In short, aptitude for success is not shown in any way to be causative in relation to the presence of obesity. There's simply zero empirical data suggesting otherwise. With that being noted, since you're making a claim that requires a research base to be considered valid, I suppose you wouldn't mind citing the sources, no? Don't worry, I'm not picky about formats.

@Sezbeth: People with genetic predisposition to poor self control and delayed gratification are shown to be less successful in virtually all aspects of life, so a few losers dying won't change anything, consider they won't make a huge impact (And probably will leave a negative impact) on the world anyways right? Also, what benficial genetics would we be losing, ms expert?

@0kevqn is that you?

[quote=deadtuna]@Sezbeth: yo if obesity is that dependent on genetics as people claim it to be (obviously not true, I don't want all fat people to die, but if someone's obese, it's not because of "genetics" even if some people gain weight more easily, if one has a normal diet, even a low metabolism won't lead to obesity) then killing all of them would basically weed out anyone with "genetically abysmal metabolism"[/quote]

This operates under the assumption that every individual with genetics predisposing them to behavior which could possibly lead to obesity, as well as individuals with physical conditions leading to such all have the exact same genetic structure, which simply isn't the case.

That said, doing so would eliminate more beneficial genetics than negative, thus making the exchange a functionally poor investment. This is the flaw in which eugenics of any type generally runs into.

It's like someone proposing the extermination of anyone with the autism gene. In doing so, you eliminate far more potential for benefit (individuals like Bill Gates, Albert Einstein, etc.) than the risk for deficit.

I think child abuse is a more pressing issue than being fat, which is just a materialistic issue that's already becoming accepted by society along with homosexuality.

@Sezbeth: yo if obesity is that dependent on genetics as people claim it to be (obviously not true, I don't want all fat people to die, but if someone's obese, it's not because of "genetics" even if some people gain weight more easily, if one has a normal diet, even a low metabolism won't lead to obesity) then killing all of them would basically weed out anyone with "genetically abysmal metabolism"

being fat is relative

u kno like the

then the average size ppl wud be fat

and skinny wud be norms

unless everyone's the same loLZ

Misunderstanding of evolution and genetics at this level would give any biology professor an aneurysm.

yaaaaaaas killem
but yeah the child abuse thing makes sense

You could say that about anything. We might as well destroy everything b/c nothing is perfect going by your logic.

We should kill you as well to increase the intelligence of our society